Being absolutely horrible to beginners.

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**techsoldaten**

No one needs to judge the OP.

I learned a lot more from games where I got steamrolled than I did from the immense courtesy shown by other players.

The most important lesson in 40k is losing, and your job as a player is to do everything possible prevent it.

**CREEEEEEEEED**

darkcloak wrote:
I'm pretty sure there is more to the story than just what the OP has written and he's just trolling us a bit to see us flammenwaffer everything. Which, well played sir, well played.

If I had seen Magnus do something crazy like that I'd probably be painting my CSMs blue. Instead I used to hate seeing Typhus across the board and now I glue crud onto my dudes to make em look rotten. As someone who has been quite involved in making and maintaining a gaming club, president of the THGXWC now retired, I can relate to store owners needs. However, when I was fostering new players for XWing it was hardly an issue to get them to buy in. Maybe that's just the low start up cost but for 40k I would use a similar approach as to the one I did for XWing.

I told everyone that it was a competitive club in that we would hold regular tourneys and play by the official rules. There wasn't gonna be any hand holding or going easy on anyone because at that point we were all new. And I did this in a very chill way and we had plenty of casual unofficial rules type events to keep things fun. In one year we got so good that we sent four guys to regionals, me being one of them, and except for me we all placed in the top 20 and one guy was in the top 10. I placed 43 out of 74 with dual phantoms, a list I had hardly ever flown. That club is still alive and well and their Facebook page shows a ton of people having fun on the regular. I attribute the success of this club largely to the positive attitude we placed on competition and learning the game better.

Fair enough, but the first demo game should really be about introducing the person to the rules, not who wins. If its the first game with their own collection, don't do the disservice of rolling over for them, but competition probably shouldn't be top priority.

**Marmatag**

Your opponent: "What does BS mean?"
You: "It doesn't matter, you already lost."

If this thread is serious - which I doubt - I'm not going to say anything about your emotional response to the game. At the end of the day, you were just an incredibly ineffective teacher, and you let down the person you were supposed to help learn the game.

Hopefully the person with the dreadnoughts doesn't give up on the game. Maybe he will find another person to play with who values the gaming experience a little bit more. Another reason why I would never set foot in GW stores, too. I have yet to meet someone i like in a GW shop.

**General Annoyance**

CREEEEEEEEED wrote:
darkcloak wrote:

Spoiler:

I'm pretty sure there is more to the story than just what the OP has written and he's just trolling us a bit to see us flammenwaffer everything. Which, well played sir, well played.

If I had seen Magnus do something crazy like that I'd probably be painting my CSMs blue. Instead I used to hate seeing Typhus across the board and now I glue crud onto my dudes to make em look rotten. As someone who has been quite involved in making and maintaining a gaming club, president of the THGXWC now retired, I can relate to store owners needs. However, when I was fostering new players for XWing it was hardly an issue to get them to buy in. Maybe that's just the low start up cost but for 40k I would use a similar approach as to the one I did for XWing.

I told everyone that it was a competitive club in that we would hold regular tourneys and play by the official rules. There wasn't gonna be any hand holding or going easy on anyone because at that point we were all new. And I did this in a very chill way and we had plenty of casual unofficial rules type events to keep things fun. In one year we got so good that we sent four guys to regionals, me being one of them, and except for me we all placed in the top 20 and one guy was in the top 10. I placed 43 out of 74 with dual phantoms, a list I had hardly ever flown. That club is still alive and well and their Facebook page shows a ton of people having fun on the regular. I attribute the success of this club largely to the positive attitude we placed on competition and learning the game better.

Fair enough, but the first demo game should really be about introducing the person to the rules, not who wins. If its the first game with their own collection, don't do the disservice of rolling over for them, but competition probably shouldn't be top priority.

This. A beginner game should be more about laying rules down. It's good if people come to a gaming club with an accurate understanding of what their games there are going to be like - I personally don't like competitive 40k, but that shouldn't stop others from playing it that way if that's what they like. However, if this is something that goes on at the OP's club, and they told their opponent before the game started, they have already failed in teaching them by not stopping them and going "hmmm, actually your list might not stand up well in a competitive environment", because clearly it wasn't up to par with his list.

Also, let's not forget that the OP said "Since good positioning is nonexistent at a beginner game", which would suggest to me that they didn't stop their opponent and go "here, you should set your stuff up in the terrain around you to give you some more surviveability". It's not even a question of if the OP was unsporting or not, because that shows that they were pretty poor at teaching the new person regardless.

**darkcloak**

Creed, that's true. The introductory tabling doesn't really show you a lot aside from how the game can be sometimes and of course, the sheer fireworks of it all. But really it should be a learning experience too, and well like I said, give the new player Magnus and let them see how that experience can be fun.

I admit I never used Rageswarm on any noobs I wanted to teach. I'd usually run some kind of generic four ship list with minimal cards, but I wouldn't pull any punches. And I'd usually win. I'd give list advice and tactical advice, but I wouldn't let anyone beat me. It got so that pretty much everyone in the shop had a good chance against me and plenty of players soon surpassed me. I then got Rageswarm built and once I learned how to fly that I kinda earned a rep as one of the worse players to face. But I digress...

**CREEEEEEEEED**

Marmatag wrote:
Another reason why I would never set foot in GW stores, too. I have yet to meet someone i like in a GW shop.

I... I only play in my local GW store.
Am I a bad person?

**Marmatag**

CREEEEEEEEED wrote:
Marmatag wrote:
Another reason why I would never set foot in GW stores, too. I have yet to meet someone i like in a GW shop.

I... I only play in my local GW store.
Am I a bad person?

No, but i have had horrible experiences there. This is anecdotal.

**dosiere**

I approve of this behavior, as it helps me grow my bolt action playerbase.

**darkcloak**

CREEEEEEEEED wrote:
Marmatag wrote:
Another reason why I would never set foot in GW stores, too. I have yet to meet someone i like in a GW shop.

I... I only play in my local GW store.
Am I a bad person?

Yes. Yes you are.

I've decided to derail this ultimate sillythread with stories of my Xwing glory days and how to fly Rageswarm.

It's really not like your swarm list at all. You can fly spread out and basically control the whole mat with your list. Wherever the opponent goes you just shift your weight to that area, it's almost like a flock of birds in flight, if you can do it right that is! Very hard to control 8 ships, deciding move order is a blessing and a curse! You have complete control, but... It's all up to you to decipher the maze of potentiality and bring your ships to bear in correctly the right spot at the right time. I used to get this feeling when flying triple interceptor aces that they were three birds of prey swooping in to rip their prey to shreds, but Rageswarm is more like... A great flock of swallows, all darting and flitting about seemingly to no purpose, then whoosh! They all turn as one to converge upon a single point for a brief moment, then banking swiftly away into the rolling turmoil of the open flock they seem so deadly in their course. And what of the opponent? Caught in this maelstrom of trajectories and arcs? But one wrong move and they fall straight into one trap or three, to be torn apart by the flickering lasers of a half dozen TIEs!

Truly, tis a thread derailed....

**AdmiralHalsey**

Well I mean I could make a topic entitled,

'Being a dick to people'

And the content could be, 'Hey guys, the other day I met some people and I wasted their time and made them feel bad, and I feel great about it! XD!'

But I feel it would be dumb. Why don't you?

**Marmatag**

It makes sense coming from someone who has chosen the natural world as his throne.

Have you befriended the OP? He sound like an untameable creature.

You do sound very proud. I would wager you also value companionship.

**reds8n**

fwlr wrote:
So last week I was invited to help out with beginners at my local GW.

Given both the thread title and contents therein t'would seem you failed here.

Poor show.