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Hi there,

Bit of a specific question, but I was wondering: If I deal a mortal wound to an enemy unit, does this count as having dealt an unsaved wound?

I'm asking because the new Necron codex has a stratagem that allows you to gain a bonus against a unit that has taken an unsaved wound in that phase.

However, since a mortal wound can never be saved, can it still count as an 'unsaved' wound?

Did they take a wound?

Was that wound saved against?

If yes to the first and no to the second, you should be good.

Doctoralex wrote:
Hi there,

Bit of a specific question, but I was wondering: If I deal a mortal wound to an enemy unit, does this count as having dealt an unsaved wound?

I'm asking because the new Necron codex has a stratagem that allows you to gain a bonus against a unit that has taken an unsaved wound in that phase.

However, since a mortal wound can never be saved, can it still count as an 'unsaved' wound?

Yes, it does.

Question: Did you save the wound? No, so it's an Unsaved wound.

Doctoralex wrote:
Hi there,

Bit of a specific question, but I was wondering: If I deal a mortal wound to an enemy unit, does this count as having dealt an unsaved wound?

I'm asking because the new Necron codex has a stratagem that allows you to gain a bonus against a unit that has taken an unsaved wound in that phase.

However, since a mortal wound can never be saved, can it still count as an 'unsaved' wound?

Mortal wounds can be ignored. Question is, is ignored the same as saved ? RAW no, ignored is not the same as saved. But, because of pathetic GW rules writing, i would discuss it before the game starts. HIWPI, its the same. The end result is that no wound was dealt, doesnt matter if its ignored or saved.

Unsaved dosnt mean that it had to beable to be saved in the first place. It has to be a wound that wasnt saved and a mortl wound is a wound that wasnt saved

Doctoralex wrote:
Hi there,

Bit of a specific question, but I was wondering: If I deal a mortal wound to an enemy unit, does this count as having dealt an unsaved wound?

I'm asking because the new Necron codex has a stratagem that allows you to gain a bonus against a unit that has taken an unsaved wound in that phase.

However, since a mortal wound can never be saved, can it still count as an 'unsaved' wound?

You still get to feel no pain against mortal wounds, So I would imagine the same intention applies here.

I guess this is one for the necron FAQ.

I would think a general FAQ is required. Methodical Destruction wouldn’t be the only thing affected if FNP/DR saves on MWs didn’t work to prevent “unsaved wounds” clauses.

Not entirely the same, but taking a mortal wound does trigger the WL trait adaptive biology for nids.

It doesn’t need FAQing because it’s already clear.

From the Warhammer 40,000 Main Rulebook FAQ:

Q: Can abilities such as Disgustingly Resilient be used to ignore wounds if they were inflicted by mortal wounds?

A: Yes.

Exactly. Presumably that counts as a save, and MD would not apply.

sieGermans wrote:
Exactly. Presumably that counts as a save, and MD would not apply.

Things like DR and FNP aren't, they are a way to ignore a wound that has been taken. A Mortal wound is no saves of any kind. The fact you can FNP and DR against Mortal wounds means they can't be a type of save.

I personally believe OP is fine to do this as the the Mortal Wound is a successful wound that triggers abilities such as this. As FNP and DR are also when a failed wound is taken.

As a Necron player without access to FNP, that’s a great interpretation for me!

Do we have any sources that I can point to if this arises?

What interpretation are you talking about ? There is one side that says mortal wounds cant be saved, and the other side says an ignored mortal wound is the same as saved.

Mortal wounds counts as having dealt an 'unsaved wound' if the target took damage from the wound.

Using disgustingly resilient to ignore the wound would not let you use the Strat, because if you are ignoring the wound then that unit has not taken an unsaved wound to initiate the Strat.

 p5freak wrote:
What interpretation are you talking about ? There is one side that says mortal wounds cant be saved, and the other side says an ignored mortal wound is the same as saved.

So, there are a few interpretations and statements going on in this thread (and others):

1. Mortal Wounds are wounds which have not been saved, and therefore qualify as "unsaved wounds" for purposes of triggering Methodical Destruction.
2. Mortal Wounds can never be saved, and therefore cannot count as "unsaved wounds" for purposes of triggering Methodical Destruction.
3. Successful FNP/DR which "ignore" a Mortal Wound do not count as a "save," and therefore would not prevent triggering Methodical Destruction.
4. Successful FNP/DR which "ignore" a Mortal Wound count as a "save," and therefore would prevent triggering Methodical Destruction.

Either of Items 1 and 3 make Methodical Destruction better.
Either of Items 2 and 4 would make Methodical Destruction worse (though not much worse).

I would think if you failed a FNP you'd still have suffered a failed save as you cannot use a FNP until you lose a wound which doesn't happen unless you suffer an unsaved wound. But I would be happy to be wrong.

Did the model loose a wound? Yes? Then it took an unsaved wound. That's the end of it. This is the equivalent to the stupid FAQ where GW actually and to answer the question "how much is an inch"

A wound you were not allowed to save is still a wound you did not save. Therefor an unsaved wound.

Yes you can use the strat against Mortal Wounds.