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2018/03/29 00:06:18
Subject: ITC Ruins
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Oozing Plague Marine Terminator
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So my gaming group has been using ITC format during practice games for upcoming Tourny events, and some questions came up.
Like: If two opposing units are inside the same Ruin, they cannot shoot at each other because of LOS blocking, correct? What about Pistols in CC?
We had a fun situation where my Cultist blob had Tided over to the opposite board edge, and just sat infront of the Ruins(and a Biker unit of Marines) for two turns where noone could shoot at eachother or move from the Ruins. When the cultists finally did make it into the Ruins.... the cease fire was still active?
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2018/03/29 05:29:02
Subject: ITC Ruins
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Never Forget Isstvan!
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Incorrect. The LOS blockage is only from windows/doors/cracks in the walls.
If your inside the building together, or one side of the building has no wall, you can see the unit just fine.
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2018/03/30 04:10:32
Subject: ITC Ruins
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Oozing Plague Marine Terminator
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Im sorry, but its just not clear to me.
I have tried finding ITC rules online, my google searches have only come up with older ones for 7th.
From what I understand, first floors of ruins completely block LOS, regardless of the physical feature, sort of like Area Terrain.
Which is why when my opponent entered them, any unit on the 1st floor couldn't shoot out of it, and I couldn't shoot into.
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2018/03/30 06:32:25
Subject: ITC Ruins
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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 Nightlord1987 wrote:Im sorry, but its just not clear to me.
I have tried finding ITC rules online, my google searches have only come up with older ones for 7th.
From what I understand, first floors of ruins completely block LOS, regardless of the physical feature, sort of like Area Terrain.
Which is why when my opponent entered them, any unit on the 1st floor couldn't shoot out of it, and I couldn't shoot into.
You pretend that windows and doors are not holes, but solid walls. This will remove lots of LOS, and stop models shooting in or out. It doesn’t stop models that can trace LOS firing/being shot, such as those peeking round a wall or shooting another unit that they can see inside the same ruin.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2018/03/30 06:33:00
 Stormonu wrote:For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules"
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2018/03/30 10:14:47
Subject: ITC Ruins
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Never Forget Isstvan!
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You literally just treat the walls/windows/doors/cracks as though they completely block LOS from anything outside of the ruin.
If you are either inside the ruin with them, or there is no wall on one side of the ruin, you can see the guys just fine by firing at them that way.
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2018/03/30 16:48:23
Subject: ITC Ruins
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Lord of the Fleet
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Nightlord1987 wrote:
I have tried finding ITC rules online, my google searches have only come up with older ones for 7th.
How is your group using ITC rules for practice if you don't have the ITC rules? Surely making sure that everyone has them or knows where to get them would be the first step to that?
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2018/03/30 20:30:19
Subject: ITC Ruins
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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Stormonu wrote:For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules"
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2018/03/30 22:28:19
Subject: ITC Ruins
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Oozing Plague Marine Terminator
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 Scott-S6 wrote: Nightlord1987 wrote:
I have tried finding ITC rules online, my google searches have only come up with older ones for 7th.
How is your group using ITC rules for practice if you don't have the ITC rules? Surely making sure that everyone has them or knows where to get them would be the first step to that?
It's a format I don't personally use, but when I go for a pick up game and my opponent wants to practice for an ITC tournament I just kinda take their word on it.
But alright. Only the walls block LOS. Do I guess his Dee's on bottom floor could have shot up cultists and vice versa. Will have to let my buddy know for next time.
I kinda like it... But it seems to make some units Unkillable. Especially with the new Character targeting rules.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2018/03/30 23:39:39
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2018/03/31 06:02:24
Subject: ITC Ruins
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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Just be wary of any Infantry that can move-shoot-move, as you’ll never be able to kill them whilst they merrily kill you... I’M LOOKING AT YOU, ELDAR!!!
Sorry... 
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Stormonu wrote:For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules"
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2018/03/31 10:58:32
Subject: ITC Ruins
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Never Forget Isstvan!
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 JohnnyHell wrote:Just be wary of any Infantry that can move-shoot-move, as you’ll never be able to kill them whilst they merrily kill you... I’M LOOKING AT YOU, ELDAR!!!
Sorry...
Funny thing about those elder hiding in buildings, you can walk right up to the wall they are hiding behind and charge them with no overwatch, cause no LOS.
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2018/03/31 13:00:07
Subject: ITC Ruins
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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 Eihnlazer wrote: JohnnyHell wrote:Just be wary of any Infantry that can move-shoot-move, as you’ll never be able to kill them whilst they merrily kill you... I’M LOOKING AT YOU, ELDAR!!!
Sorry...
Funny thing about those elder hiding in buildings, you can walk right up to the wall they are hiding behind and charge them with no overwatch, cause no LOS.
OH I know. It’s the getting there bit that didn’t happen.
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Stormonu wrote:For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules"
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