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Tbh it’s weird to me that Plasma even got a buff. Everyone ran imperial plasma and had those models.

It would have made more sense to buff Melta with something like flat 6 damage at half range or flamers reroll wounds.

But if they didn't buff plasma to insane levels why would anyone want hellblasters.

Ice_can wrote:
But if they didn't buff plasma to insane levels why would anyone want hellblasters.

Helblasers are actually appropriately costed. It is the cheap plasma that is the problem.

Sounds good to me. I run assault hellblasters and they're a great unit, so your proposal wouldn't by any means ruin Plasma. Bring it on.

 ProwlerPC wrote:
Please don't include ork kustom mega guns in this. It's been their plasma equivalent but it has long been a S8 weapon set that gets hot, instagibbed T4 and ignored 2+ armor (if it ever hit) back when all the other plasma was S7. Ork shooting doesn't need nerfs and I hope designers consider the kustom mega set separate from the plasma set.

I don't think the KMK falls in the plasma issue. It doesn't have the overcharged profile and orks don't even have access to the any re-rolls in the shooting phase.

s7 ap3 D 1, Overheat on unmodified 1s to hit, +1 s & D on unmodified 6s to hit.

Solves everything I think.

 Crimson wrote:

CassianSol wrote:

The problem is that overcharge is too low risk. There are so many reroll 1 options that make overcharging a no-brainer.

That is not the problem. The most powerful plasma units are the suicide plasma scions.

That is not a problem with plasma (and believe me I did not enjoy being wiped out by Scions with plasma), but with cheap plasma. Also, too much Deep strike access for certain armies (or perhaps, not all deep strike should be minimum 9").

CassianSol wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

CassianSol wrote:

The problem is that overcharge is too low risk. There are so many reroll 1 options that make overcharging a no-brainer.

That is not the problem. The most powerful plasma units are the suicide plasma scions.

That is not a problem with plasma (and believe me I did not enjoy being wiped out by Scions with plasma), but with cheap plasma. Also, too much Deep strike access for certain armies (or perhaps, not all deep strike should be minimum 9").

It's exactly this. The deep strike access thing. If scions were forced to buy a transport no one would complain about them.

Too many units have access to free or easy deep strike in this edition, generally speaking, I'd like a game in which transports are needed since only a very limited amount of units can deepstrike, infiltrate or outflank.