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Retiring Senate Republicans
Sen. Bob Corker, R-Tennessee
Sen. Jeff Flake, R-Arizona
Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah
Retiring House Republicans
Rep. Joe Barton, R-Texas
Rep. Charlie Dent, R-Pennsylvania
Rep. John Duncan, R-Tennessee
Rep. Blake Farenthold, R-Texas
Rep. Rodney P. Frelinghuysen, R-New Jersey
Rep. Bob Goodlatte, R-Virginia
Rep. Trey Gowdy, R-South Carolina
Rep. Gregg Harper, R-Mississippi
Rep. Jeb Hensarling, R-Texas
Rep. Darrell Issa, R-California
Rep. Lynn Jenkins, R-Kansas
Rep. Sam Johnson, R-Texas
Rep. Frank LoBiondo, R-New Jersey
Rep. Ted Poe, R-Texas
Rep. Dave Reichert, R-Washington
Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, R-Florida
Rep. Ed Royce, R-California
Rep. Bill Shuster, R-Pennsylvania
Rep. Lamar Smith, R-Texas
Rep. Dave Trott, R-Michigan
Rep. Tom Rooney, R-Florida
Rep. Ryan Costello, R-Pennsylvania
Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wisconsin
Rep. Dennis Ross, R-Florida
House Republicans who have resigned or will resign
Rep. Jason Chaffetz, R-Utah
Rep. Trent Franks, R-Arizona
Rep. Patrick Meehan, R-Pennsylvania
Rep. Tim Murphy, R-Pennsylvania
Rep. Pat Tiberi, R-Ohio
House Republicans running for another office
Senate:
Rep. Lou Barletta, R-Pennsylvania
Rep. Marsha Blackburn, R-Tennessee
Rep. Evan Jenkins, R-West Virginia
Rep. Luke Messer, R-Indiana
Rep. Todd Rokita, R-Indiana
Rep. Martha McSally, R-Arizona
Governor:
Rep. Diane Black, R-Tennessee
Rep. Raul Labrador, R-Idaho
Rep. Kristi Noem, R-South Dakota
Rep. James Renacci, R-Ohio
Rep. Steve Pearce, R-New Mexico
Rep. Ron DeSantis, R-Florida
Other:
Rep. Jim Bridenstine, R-Oklahoma (nominated for NASA Administrator)
Poor ''refugees'' trying to come in the wealthiest countries in the world, instead of going to the nearest peaceful and welcoming country , for more safety !
I mean, when you are fleeing a warzone, going to a place far away from the conflict, with stable institutions and populations that dont want to kill each other is usually a big draw.
They could just cross the border, stay in turkia, and be safe.
Many do. The overwhelmingly vast majority have stayed in the ME region. However, Turkey does not have infinite capacity to take them, and there are legions of verified stories of refugees being mistreated, killed, abused, robbed denied entry, etc by Turkish security forces and other elements. Turkey is not a spectacularly safe place for lots of refugees and is not the most stable and welcoming of places at the moment either...
I'm not buying that. Not even one of them has any right to come in the West. If they are looking for peace and safety, there are countries in the middle east that are at peace.
In the sense that they're not actively shooting at each other that particular moment? Maybe. Beyond that, things get debatable very quickly.
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KTG17 wrote: Some of that may be, on the other hand, it could very well be that some feel we have enough issues here on our own and don't want to take on more problems.
People who oppose immigration don't necessarily have a clear view of what actually causes their problems. If you think it sucks that jobs don't exist anymore then both you and the immigrant could make common cause against the economic system instead of fighting each other. Etc.
KTG17 wrote: And again, I am from Miami, I have see Miami change. You can't make me feel otherwise about that. That's not racist, its simply reality.
If you're upset that there are now people in Miami who don't speak English as their first language, well, I am going to leave you to that. If you're upset that there are people in Miami who don't speak English because they've never learned how then that's a matter of them being failed by the education system. and by the state at large for it not doing enough to facilitate integration. Or that the state has failed you for not teaching you one of its common languages, for that matter.
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800,000 went to Germany for asylum, 100,000 were given residency permits in Saudi Arabia (more than likely because they already had relatives there). Who knows where those numbers are today.
Yeah, Germany is going to have some problems.
Even still, just imagine, all the different places these people are going, when if just these different countries could get together and solve the problem of Assad. "War is not good' 'cost to great' 'we are not into nation building' too many competing sides'. But rather than deal with the cause, we just treat the symptoms.
And the financial costs for these refugees? I can only imagine.
I guess what I am hearing is that its better to just take in those who want to come, and let Assad gas the rest. Is that what I am hearing?
800,000 went to Germany for asylum, 100,000 were given residency permits in Saudi Arabia (more than likely because they already had relatives there). Who knows where those numbers are today.
Yeah, Germany is going to have some problems.
Even still, just imagine, all the different places these people are going, when if just these different countries could get together and solve the problem of Assad. "War is not good' 'cost to great' 'we are not into nation building' too many competing sides'. But rather than deal with the cause, we just treat the symptoms.
And the financial costs for these refugees? I can only imagine.
I guess what I am hearing is that its better to just take in those who want to come, and let Assad gas the rest. Is that what I am hearing?
Those are just the SA official statistics. We don't know how many Syrians are there without residency permits. Just look at the UNCHR link. Were talking about at least 5.5 million Syrians in the direct neighbours of Syria.
You do realize Germany already had a larger influx of Turkish immigrants in the past? They don't have to be trouble as long as the government helps them properly. I crunched the numbers in another thread I can look up about Germany, but from those nimbers its clear that Syrians barely cause more trouble than 'ethnic' Germans.
I don't know what you think you're hearing. But all I'm hearing is #thoughts and prayers. We should help those Syrian refugees and those that want to come to the West should be proportionally allocated so we can share the burden of helping those people.
Sorry for my spelling. I'm not a native speaker and a dyslexic.
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Tannhauser42 wrote: So, Paul Ryan is leaving. What's the current number of prominent, established Republicans who have decided to retire?
Do we know why he's leaving? I was kind of bummed by this, I quite liked him (and Rubio, who's staying put as far as I know!). Both talk party line, but have shown a willingness to be practical / pragmatic and get things done at times.
Also just a reminder folks, this thread is for US politics specifically - some of the discussion has gotten a little overly broad / might be better served in a dedicated thread.
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Disciple of Fate wrote: I don't know what you think you're hearing. But all I'm hearing is #thoughts and prayers. We should help those Syrian refugees and those that want to come to the West should be proportionally allocated so we can share the burden of helping those people.
Well you were saying Trump is wrong to bomb Assad because he wasn't accepting refugees. That's what started all this.
But you aren't going to convince me and I wont you, so back to domestic US politics.
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Ryan has said he wants to spend more time with his family, but I think it's pretty obvious a dude who ran for VP and hoped to one day be President, who then settled for Speaker of the House.... he can't be too stoked about his imminent downgrade to Minority Leader - with all the recriminations that are sure to accompany said downgrading. Why not get off the ship as soon as you see the leak?
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Tannhauser42 wrote: So, Paul Ryan is leaving. What's the current number of prominent, established Republicans who have decided to retire?
Do we know why he's leaving? I was kind of bummed by this, I quite liked him (and Rubio, who's staying put as far as I know!). Both talk party line, but have shown a willingness to be practical / pragmatic and get things done at times.
Because he's facing a very hostile election and he's been facilitating a lot of what this administration has been doing.
Ensis Ferrae wrote: Seems funny to me that when the trickle-down cuts were tried after the 29 crash, and in fact deepened the Great Depression, that politicians on both sides of the aisle recognized the abject failure which is why we went what. . . just a bit under 60 years without major trickle-down policy in place, and most of congress on board with the idea that some level of regulation in the economy was absolutely necessary.
My understanding is the tax cuts were put in place before the crash, and are something that some people claim is a cause of the crash. Which might be true, I've never studied the period in serious detail.
Sort of. . . the crash happened because of stock market shenanigans (IIRC, it was farm/grain prices bottomed out due to oversupply or some such). The president having a response demanded of him, signed some trickle-down legislation that was touted as something that would help/solve the problems (it was being highly suggested to him by JP Morgan's replacements and his ilk, much the same as today) but instead deepened the problem as well as drew even more industries into the depressed market.
Disciple of Fate wrote: I don't know what you think you're hearing. But all I'm hearing is #thoughts and prayers. We should help those Syrian refugees and those that want to come to the West should be proportionally allocated so we can share the burden of helping those people.
Well you were saying Trump is wrong to bomb Assad because he wasn't accepting refugees. That's what started all this.
But you aren't going to convince me and I wont you, so back to domestic US politics.
That is generally how racism works. "They don't speak my language!" "I don't like their culture!" "You won't change my mind, let's just move on!" Nah bud, you racist. Deal with it.
On the upside, Paul Ryan retiring is at least good news. Hopefully he stays retired and isn't looking for a Cinderella run for the White House.
Tannhauser42 wrote: So, Paul Ryan is leaving. What's the current number of prominent, established Republicans who have decided to retire?
Do we know why he's leaving? I was kind of bummed by this, I quite liked him (and Rubio, who's staying put as far as I know!). Both talk party line, but have shown a willingness to be practical / pragmatic and get things done at times.
Because he's facing a very hostile election and he's been facilitating a lot of what this administration has been doing.
I think theres also something to be said for state level politics in his home state of Wisconsin. . . Gov. Walker is spending a lot of time trying to spin *something* positive out of his governorship. . like F5 tornado levels of spin.
Disciple of Fate wrote: I don't know what you think you're hearing. But all I'm hearing is #thoughts and prayers. We should help those Syrian refugees and those that want to come to the West should be proportionally allocated so we can share the burden of helping those people.
Well you were saying Trump is wrong to bomb Assad because he wasn't accepting refugees. That's what started all this.
But you aren't going to convince me and I wont you, so back to domestic US politics.
No I'm saying bombing Assad because you care about international law when it comes to chemical weapons is hypocritical if you ignore international law on refugees. I'm not saying its wrong to conduct strikes, although I believe it will do little in the long run.
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Sorry for my spelling. I'm not a native speaker and a dyslexic.
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I think Paul Ryan is irrevocably tainted as well, and good riddance. Another grifter who, as Frazzled might say, was all hat and no cattle. The myth of him as a serious policy guy I think was pretty definitively shattered in the last 18 months.
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Flinty wrote: The benefit of slate is that its.actually a.rock with rock like properties. The downside is that it's a rock
Rising interest rates were also a problem. There was something else too but its slipped from memory.
Lets not forget that the Great Depression was as bad as it was because the powers that be at the time figured it was better to let the market correct itself than the government get involved too quickly.
These days the Fed babysits the economy and we would have pretty quick action by the Fed. And they can't always be right either. And recessions are a naturally occurring event too. Can't keep going up and up.
That is generally how racism works. "They don't speak my language!" "I don't like their culture!" "You won't change my mind, let's just move on!" Nah bud, you racist. Deal with it.
My family is multi-racial, so to call me that is pretty offensive. You don't know a whole lot about me. So to state something like that when you don't know all the facts makes you an idiot. Deal with it.
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800,000 went to Germany for asylum, 100,000 were given residency permits in Saudi Arabia (more than likely because they already had relatives there). Who knows where those numbers are today.
Yeah, Germany is going to have some problems.
Even still, just imagine, all the different places these people are going, when if just these different countries could get together and solve the problem of Assad. "War is not good' 'cost to great' 'we are not into nation building' too many competing sides'. But rather than deal with the cause, we just treat the symptoms.
And the financial costs for these refugees? I can only imagine.
I guess what I am hearing is that its better to just take in those who want to come, and let Assad gas the rest. Is that what I am hearing?
I think the bigger idea is that blowing up stuff as a knee jerk reaction to a suspected (but informationally sparse) incident and taunting the Russians and risking a bigger shitshow largely just for its own sake with no larger plan and no clear goal simply because Assad horrifically killed his own people one way instead of horrifically killing them a more conventional way is probably not serving anyone's interests except those of power politics.
As for refugees, theyre a hell of a lot cheaper than a conflict with Russia or another Iraq or Afghanistan war, and if handled properly can be returned later or be integrated as productive members of society.
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800,000 went to Germany for asylum, 100,000 were given residency permits in Saudi Arabia (more than likely because they already had relatives there). Who knows where those numbers are today.
Yeah, Germany is going to have some problems.
Even still, just imagine, all the different places these people are going, when if just these different countries could get together and solve the problem of Assad. "War is not good' 'cost to great' 'we are not into nation building' too many competing sides'. But rather than deal with the cause, we just treat the symptoms.
And the financial costs for these refugees? I can only imagine.
I guess what I am hearing is that its better to just take in those who want to come, and let Assad gas the rest. Is that what I am hearing?
I think the bigger idea is that blowing up stuff as a knee jerk reaction to a suspected (but informationally sparse) incident and taunting the Russians and risking a bigger shitshow largely just for its own sake with no larger plan and no clear goal simply because Assad horrifically killed his own people one way instead of horrifically killing them a more conventional way is probably not serving anyone's interests except those of power politics.
As for refugees, theyre a hell of a lot cheaper than a conflict with Russia or another Iraq or Afghanistan war, and if handled properly can be returned later or be integrated as productive members of society.
I think the one thing everybody can agree on is that to solve the cause to the problem in Syria there needs to be a sustained nation building effort, but that such an effort would never happen because there is no support for another 10 year project amongst the general population.
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Sorry for my spelling. I'm not a native speaker and a dyslexic.
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KTG17 wrote: Some of that may be, on the other hand, it could very well be that some feel we have enough issues here on our own and don't want to take on more problems.
People who oppose immigration don't necessarily have a clear view of what actually causes their problems. If you think it sucks that jobs don't exist anymore then both you and the immigrant could make common cause against the economic system instead of fighting each other. Etc.
KTG17 wrote: And again, I am from Miami, I have see Miami change. You can't make me feel otherwise about that. That's not racist, its simply reality.
If you're upset that there are now people in Miami who don't speak English as their first language, well, I am going to leave you to that. If you're upset that there are people in Miami who don't speak English because they've never learned how then that's a matter of them being failed by the education system. and by the state at large for it not doing enough to facilitate integration. Or that the state has failed you for not teaching you one of its common languages, for that matter.
I can't believe you really think what you wrote ? Before I was born my parents wanted to go to Canada. They couldn't, it is not important why. But one of the conditions was to speak English. You see, if one day I came to live in the beautiful USA, I would speak English. I learnt it. When you come somewhere, you adapt. If you pretend to care for a country, you can, at least, try to speak its language. The State did not failed to teach them. They failed their new country. The integration should not be easy at all, it should be very difficult, in order to keep only loving and motivated people. Language is the BASE of the culture, and culture is what make us a united country. In French, we have a saying for the french people who kept their culture of origin: "français de papiers" (paper french / french only on the (identity) papers, meaning they aren't true French, even if, officialy, they are).
I won't derail the thread anymore, promised.
Last time, president Obama didn't send the missiles, do you remember ? I don't remember why, was it because of the Congress ? Does president Trump need an "authorization" from the Congress, from anyone ?
I have the feeling he doesn't want this situation, but he seems pushed in it by, I don't know who, its advisors ?
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Any discussion about refugees will result in a fight about racism and xenophobia, and people will piss each other off and fight until the thread gets locked. Then we can’t talk about US politics again, because people got heated about a single issue.
So maybe everybody agree to disagree, and either ignore the subject or make a refugee thread.
d-usa wrote: Any discussion about refugees will result in a fight about racism and xenophobia, and people will piss each other off and fight until the thread gets locked. Then we can’t talk about US politics again, because people got heated about a single issue.
So maybe everybody agree to disagree, and either ignore the subject or make a refugee thread.
godardc wrote: Last time, president Obama didn't send the missiles, do you remember ? I don't remember why, was it because of the Congress ? Does president Trump need an "authorization" from the Congress, from anyone ?
I have the feeling he doesn't want this situation, but he seems pushed in it by, I don't know who, its advisors ?
The simple answer? Obama, just like the rest of the nation and the West at the time just wasn't ready to commit to Syria so quickly after Afghanistan and Iraq. That perhaps was a bloody mistake.
Lobbing missiles though, that's just for show, no real results.
Sorry for my spelling. I'm not a native speaker and a dyslexic.
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Tannhauser42 wrote: So, Paul Ryan is leaving. What's the current number of prominent, established Republicans who have decided to retire?
Do we know why he's leaving? I was kind of bummed by this, I quite liked him (and Rubio, who's staying put as far as I know!). Both talk party line, but have shown a willingness to be practical / pragmatic and get things done at times.
Also just a reminder folks, this thread is for US politics specifically - some of the discussion has gotten a little overly broad / might be better served in a dedicated thread.
I think Ryan has been dealing with a lot of problems similar to the problems that caused Boehner to step down from Majority Leader and the situations is exacerbated by the Trump administration. Factor in running for re-election in Wisconsin (a state Trump won) in the current political climate there as a poster boy for a Trump admin that probably really doesn't reflect Ryan's personal positions. I certainly don't envy whoever replaces him as the Majority/Minority Leader after the midterms. There's a lot of dysfunction in DC and there isn't a clear path to resolving it.
Lets face it. The Republican party is a mess, and the democratic one is essentially leaderless. I am not even sure we can identify the Republican party anymore. I think its a twisted version of its former self.
I think both parties will become pretty fractured for awhile.
KTG17 wrote: Lets face it. The Republican party is a mess, and the democratic one is essentially leaderless. I am not even sure we can identify the Republican party anymore. I think its a twisted version of its former self.
I think both parties will become pretty fractured for awhile.
I think Democrats are far less fractured than Republicans. . . The issue will be whether the DNC listens to the grassroots base or not (not holding breath here). The way I see it, Democrats have 2 main factions: neoliberals and the oftentimes called "Justice democrats". The latter group being Democrats running without PAC money, pushing for a return to the day of legislating for the average "Joe the Plummer" type as opposed to legislating for the corporations.
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