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A year has passed since 8th edition. Is this is the best edition released so far for tabletop gamers? Here are my reasons to think so:

+ There is a better balance between armies. Aside from the Primarchs which are a bit OP at the moment, as well as AM and Daemons, the game is not going to be decided the moment you see your opponent's list. No more ridiculous formations. Armies must be more diverse now to win instead of playing 6 Flyrants or 5 Riptides. The removal of fixed cover saves was a good idea to prevent using Shroud on units that can Jink.

+ Wiping out entire opponent's army is more difficult. Games tend to last until the end rather than one side getting tabled completely. This means taking objectives is more important now.

+ Armies are more diverse now with different sub-factions within each army, unlike in 7th where sub-factions mainly exist within the Space Marine umbrella.

+ Plastic Sisters of Battle are coming.

Unfortunately, the lore has been butchered a lot. Primaris Marines look good on the table but are a stain in the fluff. I hope GW will ultimately get their gak together on this.

Have you been enjoying 8th edition so far?

No, it's not 4th edition.

However, it's vastly superior to anything 6th and 7th could have dreamed of.

Yeah, Primaris Marines are a blight upon the fluff when things like Space Wolves doing whatever they want exist, huh?

8th is alright but it can be better. So basically just like every other edition.

I consider it the worst edition by far, and one of the worst games produced currently.

 thekingofkings wrote:
I consider it the worst edition by far, and one of the worst games produced currently.

Then you never played 7th. Anyone who thinks 7th is better than 8th is wrong.

To paraphrase Yahtzee, I'd have thought GW would want us to forget about 7th Edition 40k. Nobody likes 7th Edition 40k. If you think you did, you're wrong! It's like saying you enjoy listening to someone singing completely out of tune or reading a book whose pages are covered in brownsauce; I know it's your opinion, but your opinion is just wrong.

Yep. Best edition.
I liked 3rd and 5th but the codexes finally broke them both.

To prevent that, we are playing 500-1000 pt games only and you can play with index or even the dark imperium booklet-dex if you want.

 privateer4hire wrote:
Yep. Best edition.
I liked 3rd and 5th but the codexes finally broke them both.

To prevent that, we are playing 500-1000 pt games only and you can play with index or even the dark imperium booklet-dex if you want.

That is just a silly thing to do. Why not go back to 3rd edition back of the rulebook lists then? Codexes are fine.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 privateer4hire wrote:
Yep. Best edition.
I liked 3rd and 5th but the codexes finally broke them both.

To prevent that, we are playing 500-1000 pt games only and you can play with index or even the dark imperium booklet-dex if you want.

That is just a silly thing to do. Why not go back to 3rd edition back of the rulebook lists then? Codexes are fine.

MOST codexes are fine. there are as always the odd outlier. but even then 90% of the time they're only broken when someone goes out of their way to break it.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 thekingofkings wrote:
I consider it the worst edition by far, and one of the worst games produced currently.

Then you never played 7th. Anyone who thinks 7th is better than 8th is wrong.

To paraphrase Yahtzee, I'd have thought GW would want us to forget about 7th Edition 40k. Nobody likes 7th Edition 40k. If you think you did, you're wrong! It's like saying you enjoy listening to someone singing completely out of tune or reading a book whose pages are covered in brownsauce; I know it's your opinion, but your opinion is just wrong.

nope, actually enjoy 7th edition, its not objectively wrong. Don't have to agree if you dont want to.

3rd with the back of the book codexs was awesome and that's what the 8th ed. rulebook should have been instead of the expensive 'get you by until the codex' books. But whatever. I like some things, but I wish they'd just stayed with points instead of the multiple list making styles. But it is better then 7th. It's not a perfect game by far it's like D&D 4th ed. in a lot of ways with the changes, but like D&D 4th ed. It's still not as fun as 3rd edition.

And let's face it 9th will be out in what 2019- early 2020? So not really sure I want to plunge 100% into this again. Made that mistake with 7th and I'm stuck with stuff I can't even move off my shelves.

Did you honestly think 7th edition was going to exist forever? I've got books from 3rd I can't use, woe is me. The 6th-7th cycle of replacing the ruleset was not typical. 3rd and 4th had 6 years between them, 4th to 5th and 5th to 6th had 4 years apeace.

I highly doubt 9th ed will come in 2019, since GW is willing to change rules and points via errata and chapter approved now. Once all the codexes come out there will probably be mini-dexes, or a re-release of the Space Marine codex.

 thekingofkings wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 thekingofkings wrote:
I consider it the worst edition by far, and one of the worst games produced currently.

Then you never played 7th. Anyone who thinks 7th is better than 8th is wrong.

To paraphrase Yahtzee, I'd have thought GW would want us to forget about 7th Edition 40k. Nobody likes 7th Edition 40k. If you think you did, you're wrong! It's like saying you enjoy listening to someone singing completely out of tune or reading a book whose pages are covered in brownsauce; I know it's your opinion, but your opinion is just wrong.

nope, actually enjoy 7th edition, its not objectively wrong. Don't have to agree if you dont want to.

Do you have any points in favor of 7th edition being good beyond just "its fun"? I enjoy eating dirt for breakfast but that doesnt mean dirt is a nutritious and healthy meal just because my feelings say so.

 BlaxicanX wrote:

 thekingofkings wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 thekingofkings wrote:
I consider it the worst edition by far, and one of the worst games produced currently.

Then you never played 7th. Anyone who thinks 7th is better than 8th is wrong.

To paraphrase Yahtzee, I'd have thought GW would want us to forget about 7th Edition 40k. Nobody likes 7th Edition 40k. If you think you did, you're wrong! It's like saying you enjoy listening to someone singing completely out of tune or reading a book whose pages are covered in brownsauce; I know it's your opinion, but your opinion is just wrong.

nope, actually enjoy 7th edition, its not objectively wrong. Don't have to agree if you dont want to.

Do you have any points in favor of 7th edition being good beyond just "its fun"? I enjoy eating dirt for breakfast but that doesnt mean dirt is a nutritious and healthy meal just because my feelings say so.

Its not going to matter to you what I enjoy about it, but without going into long detail, I like the terrain rules, I vastly prefer how the vehicles worked.

 thekingofkings wrote:
Its not going to matter to you what I enjoy about it, but without going into long detail, I like the terrain rules, I vastly prefer how the vehicles worked.

Yes, it was far superior when I came across an army of 3 knights that 99% of my army could not wound. Or having my Land Raider be blown up by a single Lascannon shot when I was going second. I see now that 7th was the superior game system!

 BaconCatBug wrote:
Did you honestly think 7th edition was going to exist forever? I've got books from 3rd I can't use, woe is me. The 6th-7th cycle of replacing the ruleset was not typical. 3rd and 4th had 6 years between them, 4th to 5th and 5th to 6th had 4 years apeace.

Yes, it was far superior when I came across an army of 3 knights that 99% of my army could not wound. I see now that 7th was the superior game system!

Not what I'm getting at, And nostalgia/collectors/etc, will eat up 3rd ed. codexs if you sell them. I have a bunch of 7th material for sell or trade and it doesn't even get a sniff. It's a hated system.

Also 1-2 was 6 years
2-3 5 years
3-4 6 years
4-5 4 years
5-6 4 years
6-7 2 years
7-8 3 years

There's hic ups sure, but don't tell me with a straight face 8-9 will make it past even 4. Mark my words 9th will be here by 2020 and if not 2019.

Also knights, and superheavies should have never been allowed into the main game. And kept sectioned off with a points ceiling, a la what X-wing does with Epic. You shouldn't have to even face ONE knight until 3000+ points games.

And flyers should just be skimmers.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 thekingofkings wrote:
Its not going to matter to you what I enjoy about it, but without going into long detail, I like the terrain rules, I vastly prefer how the vehicles worked.

Yes, it was far superior when I came across an army of 3 knights that 99% of my army could not wound. I see now that 7th was the superior game system!

compared to the show half game you have now, yep.

I prefer 7th, so to the thread title? No.

 KingmanHighborn wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:
Did you honestly think 7th edition was going to exist forever? I've got books from 3rd I can't use, woe is me. The 6th-7th cycle of replacing the ruleset was not typical. 3rd and 4th had 6 years between them, 4th to 5th and 5th to 6th had 4 years apeace.

Yes, it was far superior when I came across an army of 3 knights that 99% of my army could not wound. I see now that 7th was the superior game system!

Not what I'm getting at, And nostalgia/collectors/etc, will eat up 3rd ed. codexs if you sell them. I have a bunch of 7th material for sell or trade and it doesn't even get a sniff. It's a hated system.
.

3rd edition was also what , 15 years ago? thats long eneugh for people to lose books, come in later and realize they wanna see em etc. 7th meanwhile wasn't that long ago so there is a glut on the market.

 JNAProductions wrote:
I prefer 7th, so to the thread title? No.

Care to explain why you liked the dumpster fire that was 7th?

I think 8th is way better than 7th. You don't have the giant unkillable deathstar units or crazy OP superheavies, and you don't have lists based entirely around Flying Monstrous Creatures that are nearly impossible to deal with for a balanced list. Yes, there are still some broken army builds and spam is still a thing (looking at you Eldar...), but unlike in 7th GW is actively trying to curtail the broken stuff. Everyone knows Dark Reapers are OP right now and are expecting a nerf. I've also heard that Chaos Cultists and Poxwalkers are getting a nerf, or rather the stratagems that make them crazy are getting said nerf. GW is trying to keep the game balanced and fun in a way that they never have before, and that is a good thing, even if it is tough to keep up with the meta changes. GW is also knocking it out of the park on the modeling side, with nice new models and even whole new armies being released and looking great! We've had a great new range added for Death Guard and Adeptus Custodes, those new mini-Knights and the new Necron Cryptek from the Forgebane box, and we now know that plastic Sisters of Battle are coming next year. It really is a great time to be a 40k player!

I never understood the claim that 7th had OP Super-Heavies. Only the Wraithknight stood out as severely undercosted. The rest weren't dominating tournaments for a reason.

I did like 7th quite a bit. I like 8th a lot too though so it's a tough call for me. At the moment, I'd lean towards 8th. I did like every faction having unique formations and the allies mechanics of 7th more though.

I really enjoyed 8th in the beginning, it brought me back to playing 40k... However with each cycle of Codexes it becomes a little less fun. So, I don't dislike 8th, prefer it to 7th though.

But, if 40k wasn't the only game played in the town I moved to, I probably would have shelved my armies to play something else like Malifaux or even *gasp* Warmachine.

7th had more depth to it. There were facings, on vehicles at least, and vehicles operated differently from monstrous creatures. (To a detriment, at points, it's true, but still.) Movement had actual penalties, instead of a paltry -1 to-hit that it is now, and just overall, I felt I was making more choices in-game than I was in 8th.

Nah. 2nd was better and 7th had potential to be better. Just needed new way to build armies and few tweaks like hh did

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 JNAProductions wrote:
I prefer 7th, so to the thread title? No.

Care to explain why you liked the dumpster fire that was 7th?

It at least attempted to have tactical depth.

5th prior to Newcrons and fliers was best. Based on the Codexes released for it during that period, it was also the most balanced.

5th had some serious problems, but it was overall the best and cleanest version of the game. 8th has been a clear improvement over the trash that was 6th and 7th, but it also has a lot of its own glaring flaws.

8-th has it's ups and downs. The ups are that it's top tier armies are not as far away from high mid tier as it used to be. The downs are that it's the least tactically diverse edition so far. As for me, 7-th on a non-tournament level was more fun to play than 8-th on a non-tournament level. And on a tournament level they both are quite boring, though, 7th had more potential for some unexpected combos due to simply having much more tactical options.

bibotot wrote:
A year has passed since 8th edition. Is this is the best edition released so far for tabletop gamers? Here are my reasons to think so:

+ There is a better balance between armies. Aside from the Primarchs which are a bit OP at the moment, as well as AM and Daemons, the game is not going to be decided the moment you see your opponent's list. No more ridiculous formations. Armies must be more diverse now to win instead of playing 6 Flyrants or 5 Riptides. The removal of fixed cover saves was a good idea to prevent using Shroud on units that can Jink.

+ Wiping out entire opponent's army is more difficult. Games tend to last until the end rather than one side getting tabled completely. This means taking objectives is more important now.

+ Armies are more diverse now with different sub-factions within each army, unlike in 7th where sub-factions mainly exist within the Space Marine umbrella.

+ Plastic Sisters of Battle are coming.

Unfortunately, the lore has been butchered a lot. Primaris Marines look good on the table but are a stain in the fluff. I hope GW will ultimately get their gak together on this.

Have you been enjoying 8th edition so far?

At the moment I'm not fond of this edition. I haven't a codex yet, and this is a big deal, I can change my mind after a while, but playing with the index is indeed the worst edition ever.

I also strongly dislike the look of the new releases, primaris and deathguard are IMHO among the ugliest models since decades. And I halso hate the trend of promoting huge miniatures and centerpiece models, although it started before. Soups are still a thing, maybe even stronger now, that's another downside.

I like the core rules, but hate the fact that we need 300 FAQs to balance them.

I prefer 8th to 6/7th Edition. There are finally tactical decisions, movement and vehicle rules have much improved and unlike formations Stratagems make for fluffy but balanced additions. Chaos has a Chance against other factions without heavy list-tailoring and my Death Guard has a codex for the first time.

I like and play 7th (my opinion), unlike 8th it feels like every edition that came before it, it has the right amount of complexity and depth that I enjoy and allows me to play the narrative games I want with a bit of story behind everything that happens in the table. As an ORK player I never had any of these issues that people (sites like bols and front line gaming) suddenly started to experience one day after the game had been out a while, also during 5-6th edition people ASKED for formations (from apocalypse) to be in the main game, after the heresy betrayal book came out (the first time lords of war were introduced) people ASKED for that in standard 40k games.

Question, if something like chapter approved had come out for 7th edition would people have thought it was so bad? Looking back at all the old reviews for 7th everyone loved it, aos everyone hated and then those sites I mentioned suddenly all at once hated 7th and loved aos and the Internet followed like blind sheep.

Let those of us that like 7th or previous editions enjoy them, our opinions are not Wrong as some of you keep saying just as yours are not.

For me if 7th was a dumpster fire 8th is a sewage plant that’s ablaze.