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My search foo has failed me. It looks like if I hit a flyer with a tremor cannon it will automatically crash in its next movement phase since it can't advance unless it goes into hover mode. Is this correct?

Leo_the_Rat wrote:
My search foo has failed me. It looks like if I hit a flyer with a tremor cannon it will automatically crash in its next movement phase since it can't advance unless it goes into hover mode. Is this correct?

No, it will not automatically crash. Flyers have a move distance between 20-45" typically, which means halving their movement to 22.5" means they can still remain flying. It's only after they're already damaged that they will automatically crash (or hover).

 Unit1126PLL wrote:

Leo_the_Rat wrote:
My search foo has failed me. It looks like if I hit a flyer with a tremor cannon it will automatically crash in its next movement phase since it can't advance unless it goes into hover mode. Is this correct?

No, it will not automatically crash. Flyers have a move distance between 20-45" typically, which means halving their movement to 22.5" means they can still remain flying. It's only after they're already damaged that they will automatically crash (or hover).

This. It would have to reduce its full movement below its minimum in which case yes it would crash it or force it to hover

The tremor cannon also says that it can't advance. Oh, I see, I forgot that there was an advance phase and thought that it meant the more generic definition of advance.

There in't an advance phase. Advancing occurs during the movement phase and increases your movement. I can see though how you took that to mean move (as move forward is the definition of advance)

You cant use tremor shells on units with the FLY keyword.

 p5freak wrote:
You cant use tremor shells on units with the FLY keyword.

Er... why not?

 p5freak wrote:
You cant use tremor shells on units with the FLY keyword.

Source? I'm looking at the weapon entry right now and it makes no mention of this

 Zarroc1733 wrote:
There in't an advance phase. Advancing occurs during the movement phase and increases your movement. I can see though how you took that to mean move (as move forward is the definition of advance)

Yes, although the GW Tremor Cannon rules specify "cannot Advance" with a capital A, so I find them fairly clear.

 Unit1126PLL wrote:

 Zarroc1733 wrote:
There in't an advance phase. Advancing occurs during the movement phase and increases your movement. I can see though how you took that to mean move (as move forward is the definition of advance)

Yes, although the GW Tremor Cannon rules specify "cannot Advance" with a capital A, so I find them fairly clear.

Agreed

Tremor shells strat says they have no effect on units that can FLY

Tremor shells has no effect on TITANIC units and units that can FLY

Last sentence of the strategem.

We are not discussing the stratagem tremor shells but the tremor cannon weapon on a banehammer

Ultrabear wrote:

Tremor shells has no effect on TITANIC units and units that can FLY

Last sentence of the strategem.

And the discussion was about the Tremor Cannon, the main armament on the Astra Militarum Banehammer.

Ups, my bad. Sorry

Tremor Cannon is not the same thing as Tremor She-

oh, ninja'd.

Ultrabear wrote:
Ups, my bad. Sorry

No problem. I honestly didn't know there was a stratagem until this thread.

The more you know!

This is why I ask people explicitly mention where the units/weapons they are asking about come from. Not all of us have encyclopedic knowledge of where everything is from!

But in this case, the Tremor Cannon does indeed, for some reason, affect flyers. However I don't think they can make them crash.

"If a unit is hit by this weapon, in their following Movement phase they must halve their Move Characteristic..."

To me, this means both the minimum and the maximum are halved.

The rulebook says "Some models that can FLY have a Move characteristic consisting of two values." so both are the Move Characteristic, so both have to be halved.

This question came up with doom bolted as well, and the answer is no it will not even at it's lowest profile because the effect does not half their max movement, it halfs their "movement characteristic" so for a flayer it changes from 20-45 to 10-22.5 so it's min is now 10

 Zarroc1733 wrote:
We are not discussing the stratagem tremor shells but the tremor cannon weapon on a banehammer

Oh man that confused me for a second too

BACON CAT BUG I think they are right. Halve their movement , would be min and max.

IMHO if you look at how GW is changing the game, IE rules/erattas one must come to the conclusion that there might not be deliberate attempts by GW to make something like bane blades tremor cannon to drop flyers. Or any other rule that creates an argument like this.