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Jury Rigging: Use this stratagem at the start of your turn. Select an AM vehichle. That vehicle can't move/pile in/charge, but immediately heals one wound.
Hover Jet: Before this model moves in your Movement phase, you can declare it will hover.

If a Valkyrie is in Supersonic mode, would Jury Rigging prevent hover mode from being declare, thus causing the Valkyrie to explode?

 mokoshkana wrote:
Jury Rigging: Use this stratagem at the start of your turn. Select an AM vehichle. That vehicle can't move/pile in/charge, but immediately heals one wound.
Hover Jet: Before this model moves in your Movement phase, you can declare it will hover.

If a Valkyrie is in Supersonic mode, would Jury Rigging prevent hover mode from being declare, thus causing the Valkyrie to explode?

Yes. To me the term "move" encompases the picking of the unit to move as detailed on page 177 of the BRB. If something cannot move, it cannot be picked during this stage.

Of course one can argue that "move" means the physical act of moving, rather than being selected to move. So it's as clear as mud.

If you choose a model to move and move it 0" does it count as having moved?

 deviantduck wrote:
If you choose a model to move and move it 0" does it count as having moved?

I would say yes. This is why they changed Grinding Advance to explicitly mention being stationary, because you had to move 0" before to get it to work, which meant your sponsons took a -1 to hit.

 deviantduck wrote:
If you choose a model to move and move it 0" does it count as having moved?

Well, it counts as having moved less than half its move for purposes of Grinding Advance (if it has it).

For purposes of having to move a minimum distance or crash, it also counts as moving less than the minimum distance. In this case, Jury Rigging at the start of the turn would be before doing any movement or things like Hover Jet.

EDIT - hadn't seen BCB's comment when I typed the Grinding Advance bit.

Oh gawd don’t drag up Grinding Advance again... GW already had to FAQ the obvious there and it’s settled. The point wasn’t about moving, it was that zero IS less than five. And it’s sorted and people were wrong. Just leave it!

This also isn’t entirely comparable, it’s not about if zero is a move. “Can’t move” is the condition. That for a model that *must* move? You can’t do it, as the condition means you fail your mandatory action so you would crash, by the rules. The Stratagem isn’t meant for planes! If in Hover mode already you’d be fine, but as the Stratagem has to be played at the start of the Movement Phase you’d need to already be hovering to use it.

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Oh gawd don’t drag up Grinding Advance again... GW already had to FAQ the obvious there and it’s settled. The point wasn’t about moving, it was that zero IS less than five. And it’s sorted and people were wrong. Just leave it!

This also isn’t entirely comparable, it’s not about if zero is a move. “Can’t move” is the condition. That for a model that *must* move? You can’t do it, as the condition means you fail your mandatory action so you would crash, by the rules. The Stratagem isn’t meant for planes! If in Hover mode already you’d be fine, but as the Stratagem has to be played at the start of the Movement Phase you’d need to already be hovering to use it.

I agree but an interesting question is whether you have to be able to move to go into hover mode. I'd say yes myself.

 Zarroc1733 wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Oh gawd don’t drag up Grinding Advance again... GW already had to FAQ the obvious there and it’s settled. The point wasn’t about moving, it was that zero IS less than five. And it’s sorted and people were wrong. Just leave it!

This also isn’t entirely comparable, it’s not about if zero is a move. “Can’t move” is the condition. That for a model that *must* move? You can’t do it, as the condition means you fail your mandatory action so you would crash, by the rules. The Stratagem isn’t meant for planes! If in Hover mode already you’d be fine, but as the Stratagem has to be played at the start of the Movement Phase you’d need to already be hovering to use it.

I agree but an interesting question is whether you have to be able to move to go into hover mode. I'd say yes myself.

Yeah I would too, it’s part of its Movement actions.

Is it? It's declared before the model moves. I don't see why that makes it part of its move.
I don't see a conflict if you don't then move.

Ah fair point!

Captyn_Bob wrote:
Is it? It's declared before the model moves. I don't see why that makes it part of its move.
I don't see a conflict if you don't then move.

It does say to declare hover before the model moves so it could be argued by RAW when you hover you MUST move after. You cannot do something before a model moves if it never moves. I disagree with that but it's something that would be argued. Your argument has moved me though and I'd say you could hover if you couldn't move looking at the wording.

It's a timing restriction, it's not a prerequisite to the special rule being valid (because one of the best reasons to enter hover mode is to be able to then not move.)

I agree. You just know how some people (myself included at times) love to argue.

 Zarroc1733 wrote:

Captyn_Bob wrote:
Is it? It's declared before the model moves. I don't see why that makes it part of its move.
I don't see a conflict if you don't then move.

It does say to declare hover before the model moves so it could be argued by RAW when you hover you MUST move after. You cannot do something before a model moves if it never moves. I disagree with that but it's something that would be argued. Your argument has moved me though and I'd say you could hover if you couldn't move looking at the wording.

Often people will hover, and then not move in order to escape the penalty for shooting heavy weapons when moving. What you're saying this is that's not possible.

 deviantduck wrote:

 Zarroc1733 wrote:

Captyn_Bob wrote:
Is it? It's declared before the model moves. I don't see why that makes it part of its move.
I don't see a conflict if you don't then move.

It does say to declare hover before the model moves so it could be argued by RAW when you hover you MUST move after. You cannot do something before a model moves if it never moves. I disagree with that but it's something that would be argued. Your argument has moved me though and I'd say you could hover if you couldn't move looking at the wording.

Often people will hover, and then not move in order to escape the penalty for shooting heavy weapons when moving. What you're saying this is that's not possible.

I'm saying that people would argue that is not allowed. I said that I disagree with that interpretation but I know of people who would argue that (and one who does argue that frequently at my flgs)

It could then be argued that any rule that states, "Do X before Y" implies you must do Y. But that doesn't really make any sense. If your mom tells you to take out the garbage before you go out, you can take out the garbage without then going out; but if you go out before taking out the garbage, you're going to be in trouble. When rules necessitate that you have to do Y as a result of doing X, the rules always say - "you *must* then do Y." Otherwise, you just follow the remainder of the ability rules and then move on.

The word "before" is grammatically correct when used to refer to the time period that precedes a possible, but not guaranteed, future event, e.g. "Before you assault the bellhop, you can explore non-violent options to get your bag back."

[Time in which non-violence is possible]
\/
[Violence visited on the bellhop]
\/
[Non-violence no longer an option.]

You are not required, if someone says this to you, to politely inquire about where your bag has gone, and then punch the bellhop.

At the beginning of your turn, you declare that you are using Jury Rigging. At any point prior to moving your Valkyrie, you declare that you will use Hover Jet. You then finish out the rule, which states that your movement becomes 20", and you lose all your other fancy rules. You are not required, by the ability, to make any sort of movement action - and using the ability doesn't require that the unit be selected to move. You can remain stationary, heal your vehicle, and fire your heavy weapons without penalty. You could insist on not using the Hover Jet ability, in which case your Valkyrie would still have a minimum required movement, and would promptly crash.

Agreed