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On Tga someone found a picture of Fulgrim as a daemon primarch on the BL coming soon page. Considering the hints of slaanesh's return in AOS and Fulgrim being spotted in gathering storm can the lord of the third be coming soonTM?



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Edit:Looking at the art work it might be a horus heresy novel.

It's more than likely a return in AoS, probably with a full out anti-sexy redesign. Because despite what might be true, GW thinks us stinky nerds fear the sight of boobs.

 vaklor4 wrote:
It's more than likely a return in AoS, probably with a full out anti-sexy redesign. Because despite what might be true, GW thinks us stinky nerds fear the sight of boobs.

Slaanesh is not about sex. Plus considering the art work of the fiend of slaanesh in the chaos daemon codex I am not worried in the slightest.

Heck! Give me a pint and I'd take it on as my wife! But no really... Slaanesh is all excess and if I was to worship it I'd totally be all about the sexual stuff! So to me Slaaaaa3anesh is about sexual stuff. And the colours purple and pink. Slaanesh is all about those colours and I'd worship those colours. And maybe a few sonic based weapons. And eldar enslavement. But sexy sonic based weapons and eldar enslavement.

That artwork is probably from the cover of an upcoming Horus Heresy book 'Slaves to Darkness'. I think we'll see Slaanesh come back in AoS before we see EC in 40k, but I remain hopeful. Note that the Keeper of Secrets model, from memory, doesn't appear anywhere at all in the 40k Daemons book.

It's more than that, no non-plastic Slaaneshi model appears in Codex Daemons, not just the KoS.

 Marshal Loss wrote:
That artwork is probably from the cover of an upcoming Horus Heresy book 'Slaves to Darkness'. I think we'll see Slaanesh come back in AoS before we see EC in 40k, but I remain hopeful. Note that the Keeper of Secrets model, from memory, doesn't appear anywhere at all in the 40k Daemons book.

Fulgrim didn't go full DP during HH though did he? He looks quite daemonic there.

Yep, already happened in the books. Several volumes ago.

 Azreal13 wrote:
It's more than that, no non-plastic Slaaneshi model appears in Codex Daemons, not just the KoS.

A cursory glance reveals that to be false. The Herald of Slaanesh appears, which is an old finecast model, at least once (on page 101).

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 Marshal Loss wrote:
That artwork is probably from the cover of an upcoming Horus Heresy book 'Slaves to Darkness'. I think we'll see Slaanesh come back in AoS before we see EC in 40k, but I remain hopeful. Note that the Keeper of Secrets model, from memory, doesn't appear anywhere at all in the 40k Daemons book.

Fulgrim didn't go full DP during HH though did he? He looks quite daemonic there.

He turns into a DP in Angel Exterminatus (so mid-Heresy), and features as one in Vengeful Spirit and a few short stories.

A lot of people have high hopes for Emperor's Children and Slaanesh (and by extension, World Eaters) to be getting the same treatment that Death Guard and Thousand Sons got, with new troops, terminators, cultists, and sculpts for the leaders and primarchs, like Fabius Bile, Fulgrim, and Lucius the Eternal.

Let's put it this way, GW doesn't have very many Codexes left to update at this point. They've already announced Imperial Knights, Deathwatch, and Harlequins, and beyond that is just Orks, Space Wolves, and Genestealer Cults. Sisters of Battle is already slated for 2019, so that leaves a big chunk of the rest of 2018 that's pretty... empty.

I'd fully expect that with the attention Slaanesh has gotten in Age of Sigmar and the treatment that Death Guard and Thousand Sons have gotten, that an Emperor's Children codex could be just around the corner.

 shinros wrote:


Slaanesh is not about sex.

Lol. Slaanesh is absolutely about sex.

 vaklor4 wrote:
It's more than likely a return in AoS, probably with a full out anti-sexy redesign. Because despite what might be true, GW thinks us stinky nerds fear the sight of boobs.

Right, because GW has been completely avoiding anything sexualized recently...

 BlaxicanX wrote:

 shinros wrote:


Slaanesh is not about sex.

Lol. Slaanesh is absolutely about sex.

Slaanesh is about anything in excess. So yes, while Slaanesh can be about sex, it's not the defining feature. Model wise it's pointed at that a bit more than other things due to needing a distinguishing difference between Slaanesh and others in an iconic way. It's why in his palace there is an area of seduction/sex but it's not the first or last part of his palace. Over indulging in food, power, self glory, etc, are all part of it as well. Even good things like art and music!

I suppose this is the reason I don't like the Diaz models though. They're basically just sexy elves posing as Daemonettes. The new ones fit the excessive nature with big claws, an androgynous body, etc.

ArmchairArbiter wrote:
I suppose this is the reason I don't like the Diaz models though. They're basically just sexy elves posing as Daemonettes. The new ones fit the excessive nature with big claws, an androgynous body, etc.

Finally, someone else who realises the Diaz daemonettes were an aberration! Not that they were bad models though, but they were not what daemonettes were ever supposed to look like according to the lore. I always used the Diaz models as mutant cultists and converted my own daemonettes from dark eldar and tyranid plastic bits with lots of greenstuff. Daemonettes can look like sexy women (or men) if they're trying to seduce someone succubus-style, but on the battlefield they were always described as disturbing, terrifying creautures whose entrancing/arousing ability was completely at odds with their actual appearance. The current plastic daemonette models are let down by overly-static poses (they should really be lasciviously cavorting and dance-fighting), but are otherwise an excellent updating of the original metal daemonettes from the 80s and the artwork in the Realms of Chaos books.

Anyway, I think Fulgrim appearing on the cover of a BL novel means a mini is rather far off. I can't see them spoiling a new daemon primarch model with such an uninspiring piece of art. I think the first we will see of a new Fulgrim model will be part of the actual Fulgrim model.

I'm sure Fulgrim (and angron) will get plastic releases at some point as they cycle through the chaos gods. Probably following a similar pattern to the DG/maggotkin release cycle. However a novel cover is not much of an indicator of anything if you ask me. I wouldn't expect anything slaanesh related until 2019 at the earliest.

 Duskweaver wrote:

ArmchairArbiter wrote:
I suppose this is the reason I don't like the Diaz models though. They're basically just sexy elves posing as Daemonettes. The new ones fit the excessive nature with big claws, an androgynous body, etc.

Finally, someone else who realises the Diaz daemonettes were an aberration! Not that they were bad models though, but they were not what daemonettes were ever supposed to look like according to the lore. I always used the Diaz models as mutant cultists and converted my own daemonettes from dark eldar and tyranid plastic bits with lots of greenstuff. Daemonettes can look like sexy women (or men) if they're trying to seduce someone succubus-style, but on the battlefield they were always described as disturbing, terrifying creautures whose entrancing/arousing ability was completely at odds with their actual appearance. The current plastic daemonette models are let down by overly-static poses (they should really be lasciviously cavorting and dance-fighting), but are otherwise an excellent updating of the original metal daemonettes from the 80s and the artwork in the Realms of Chaos books.

Anyway, I think Fulgrim appearing on the cover of a BL novel means a mini is rather far off. I can't see them spoiling a new daemon primarch model with such an uninspiring piece of art. I think the first we will see of a new Fulgrim model will be part of the actual Fulgrim model.

You can say that again! Stylistic preference aside, we should all hope that GW realized how much they bollocksed up the Slaaneshi plastics and do way, way better poses for future Slaaneshi models.

Novels mean something as tie-ins, but this is for July and there's no text to tell us what kind of novel this might be. Could just be another Horus Heresy book. That's a bit soon, too, considering we have rumors for Sigmarines versus Nighthaunt in a new starter set that should be the highlight release this in July (give or take a couple of weeks). While there have been rumors of Slaanesh's comeback in Age of Sigmar this year, I think there's plenty of time for that later in the year.

Personally I do believe we'll see Fulgrim before Angron because both Tzeentch and Nurgle got an update for both systems back to back and I expect this to be the standard until we see otherwise. Khorne got a bit shafted in this regard, being too early to follow this release scheme/jumping on the Primarch train. With the AoS storyline getting to Slaanesh's escape I expect to see an AoS release for Slaanesh first, in fall, followed by a 40k release at the end of the year or start of next year. It's also worth noting that we're currently one loyalist Primarch short of parity, so a woofy codex with Russ for, say, August would leave a long enough gap to release Fulgrim in January and not deviate from the average release gaps between the other Primarchs.

Just what I need (potentially) more models to buy.
And following the Slaanesh trend of excess, I just don't seem to be able to stop buying.

I actually like the Diaz Daemonettes, and use them in my burgeoning Slaanesh Daemon army (getting ahold of them is another matter).

The issue I have with the plastic GW Daemonettes is they don't strike me as actually having a theme. You could slap "generic greater daemon" on the box and not change one thing (except maybe the slaanesh symbol on the standard) and have it still make sense.

The only daemons who look more generically daemon are Khorne, but that's because Khorne's daemons are literally based on the Christian devil. Slaanesh? I guess her/his/its Daemonettes are based on a particularly delicious lobster he/she/it ate once.

I think the reason the plastic Daemonettes are so static is that they were originally designed for a rank-and-file game.

ArmchairArbiter wrote:

 BlaxicanX wrote:

 shinros wrote:


Slaanesh is not about sex.

Lol. Slaanesh is absolutely about sex.

Slaanesh is about anything in excess. So yes, while Slaanesh can be about sex, it's not the defining feature. Model wise it's pointed at that a bit more than other things due to needing a distinguishing difference between Slaanesh and others in an iconic way. It's why in his palace there is an area of seduction/sex but it's not the first or last part of his palace. Over indulging in food, power, self glory, etc, are all part of it as well. Even good things like art and music!

I suppose this is the reason I don't like the Diaz models though. They're basically just sexy elves posing as Daemonettes. The new ones fit the excessive nature with big claws, an androgynous body, etc.

You said exactly what is on my mind, carnal stuff is only one ring in his realm. I don't know why people focus on that aspect so much.

 shinros wrote:
You said exactly what is on my mind, carnal stuff is only one ring in his realm. I don't know why people focus on that aspect so much.

I think this is a cultural thing. I agree with you entirely, but:

The only thing we see as "bad" in excess in modern Western society is sex. Literally anything else - food (as long as you're healthy!), wealth, power, desire (except sexual), music...
In order for Slaanesh to be "an evil god who wants to conquer the universe and oppose humanity", they actually have to do something bad. If you told a punk rocker, or an EDM fan, or something, that they were falling to the "DARK GOD: THE PRINCE OF EXCESS" because they liked music so much, generally most everyone would shrug their shoulders and say 'meh'.

Slaanesh becomes "the god of modern western society". lol.

Because it's easy to represent sex in model form. Less easy to represent the other forms of excess in ways that do not turn into a caricature.
Of course, there's always the option to go old school noise marines with electric guitar guns.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
Because it's easy to represent sex in model form. Less easy to represent the other forms of excess in ways that do not turn into a caricature.
Of course, there's always the option to go old school noise marines with electric guitar guns.

This too. How do you model a mortal-ascended-to-Daemonhood Daemon Prince who was elevated because he loved art and was excessively perfectionist about it? A DP armed with a paintbrush? How do you model the same thing, but with music? What about the wargamer who took excessive thrill in victory - a 40k model with little 40k models in his pockets or something?

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How do you model a mortal-ascended-to-Daemonhood Daemon Prince who was elevated because he loved art and was excessively perfectionist about it?

Vega from Street Fighter.

Truth be told the excess of Slaanesh could be easily represented in elaborate purple and golden armors. Flowing capes, decorated bolters, Warcraft-esque large shoulder armor, and so on and so on.

Just make Custodes into Emperor's Children.

I know it's another company but...

http://privateerpress.com/files/products/73901_ThagroshPainterOfEverblight_WEB.jpg

There's your excessive artist model.

 Eldarsif wrote:



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How do you model a mortal-ascended-to-Daemonhood Daemon Prince who was elevated because he loved art and was excessively perfectionist about it?

Vega from Street Fighter.

Truth be told the excess of Slaanesh could be easily represented in elaborate purple and golden armors. Flowing capes, decorated bolters, Warcraft-esque large shoulder armor, and so on and so on.

Just make Custodes into Emperor's Children.

The biggest problem with this is GW's own style, which very often has an excess of detail without being associated with Slaanesh in the slightest. As you say, Custodes... if they outbling your traitor bling Marines that dedicate themselves to the god of excess, how are you possibly going to portray that aspect of Slaanesh and set it apart from the rest of the bling brigade?

Excessive drug use is an issue because the physical expression on a model gets you injectors as on Arco-flagellants (not Slaanesh), Haemonculi stuff (not Slaanesh) and the biological variety of Tyranid glands (also not Slaanesh). More manual applications aren't really practical, nor really reflective of "excess".

(Political) power isn't something you would portray on a model, because armies already have a hierarchy so a high ranking Slaaneshi officer wouldn't necessarily look different from any other blinged out officer, and the civilian variety of a powerful politician traditionally wears a military uniform to set themselves apart. If they don't, you run the risk of having a civilian model in a uniformed army, which runs the risk of coming across as insane rather than excessive. The closest you could get to portraying power is a model along the lines of Greasus Goldtooth, but then that's one model in your army. How many fat people lying on a bed of gold coins can you have before it looks ridiculous?

This is not to say that carnal is the only route to go, but for real world reasons more than anything else (it's just not prevalent in GW's catalogue, unlike pretty much everything else associated with excess) it's just the easiest way to set Slaaneshi models apart. Which is a bit of a shame, because first, GW isn't doing these kinds of models so we're stuck with models that are less than they could be, if we get models at all, and second, it doesn't do Slaanesh justice as a Chaos God that is possibly to most versatile in the ways it encourages its followers to worship it.

It's not helped by the fact that we play a game centered around total war, where any martial form of worship of Slaanesh could as easily be covered by another god. Plenty of bloodthirsty ones about, and if you're going to worship through carnage, you may as well pick a god whose main domain that is. 40k lacks the kind of subtlety Slaanesh encourages due to the war theme.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
Because it's easy to represent sex in model form. Less easy to represent the other forms of excess in ways that do not turn into a caricature.
Of course, there's always the option to go old school noise marines with electric guitar guns.

I would love for some Slaanesh daemons representing things like Gluttony, etc...

 Galas wrote:

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
Because it's easy to represent sex in model form. Less easy to represent the other forms of excess in ways that do not turn into a caricature.
Of course, there's always the option to go old school noise marines with electric guitar guns.

I would love for some Slaanesh daemons representing things like Gluttony, etc...

Sadly, even gluttony seems to be in Nurgle's courtyard from GW's perspective. Things like the general "fatness" of the models (they look obese, which is different than a 'bloated corpse'), and names like "Glottkin", implies to me that Nurgle is the chaos god of overeating as well, lol.

Maybe GW looks at over eating as a mental disease?

I am not making fun of eating disorders. I am making fun of GW.

In AoS with regards to malign portents, it's looking like Nagash will free Slaanesh somehow for all those sweet souls, so it's more likely to be related to AoS.