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Hey everyone.
I recently found myself with a primaris side of dark imperium and have been thinking on what to get along side it. I don't want to add the primaris to my wolves since I don't like the idea of that however I don't know if I want to go full primaris for an army. I was probably think that Ultramarines might be a good chapter choice and if so I guess Bobby G would be a must. Other than that I am at a loss, so if anyone has any advice I would greatly appreciate it.

 FunyonFrodo wrote:
Hey everyone.
I recently found myself with a primaris side of dark imperium and have been thinking on what to get along side it. I don't want to add the primaris to my wolves since I don't like the idea of that however I don't know if I want to go full primaris for an army. I was probably think that Ultramarines might be a good chapter choice and if so I guess Bobby G would be a must. Other than that I am at a loss, so if anyone has any advice I would greatly appreciate it.

Deathwatch. Primaris are SO much better as Deathwatch for just a single point more.

1CP Deepstrike and be in range for rapid fire Vengence with 30" bolt rifles? Check.
Able to advance and fire without penalty with auto bolt rifles? Check.
Being able to sit and snipe away with 42" AP-2 weapons, or 30" AP-3 weapons? Check.
Able to mix and match single models of Aggressors/Inceptors/Reivers etc without committing to an overpriced niche unit? Check.

I have heard a lot about deathwatch primaris. I honestly think I might go with them, only problem maybe be getting them too look like deathwatch.

 FunyonFrodo wrote:
I have heard a lot about deathwatch primaris. I honestly think I might go with them, only problem maybe be getting them too look like deathwatch.

No need to make them look like Deathwatch, paint them however you want and use the Deathwatch rules.
If you want to make them look like Deathwatch, all you need to do is paint one shoulderpad silver and one as their original chapter, glue on the silver pad very lightly and replace them with "real" DW shoulderpads at some point if you get around to it. Or sculpt a single master of your own and make copies with Bluestuff.

Thanks for that idea, seems great. One final thing, what would you recommend I buy to add on to the list? I have about £100-£150 to spend.

I would preface this with a MOUNTAIN of salt, but from what I can see if you want to stay with the Primaris theme, grab some more Intercessors, Grab an Aggressor for each unit so they can Advance/Move without penalty to shooting, Grab an Inceptor for each unit so they can fall back and shoot.

Reivers are a little niche imho.

One thing I saw that seems effective but I am not sure just how much is to use normal veterans, take 5 footsloggers, 3 bikes and 2 Vanguard Veterans. Combat Squad them so the Footslogers are in 1 half and the bikes and Vanguard in the other.

You now have a 5 man, T5 unit that can move 12", great for bringing thunder hammers up quicky and twin bolters for dakka. The footsloggers can all have storm bolters that fire SIA for extra goodness and if you wanna splurge give them all storm shields for 3++ goodness (give the Sergeant a Power Axe to benefit his 3 attacks though).

As with all Marines, Primaris or otherwise, they are too fragile for what they cost your mileage may vary, you might want to grab a Rhino (but two 5 man combat squads in) or Razorback to protect the footsloggers.

And make sure to use the Teleportarium stratagem EVERY game. 3CP for 3 Deep Striking units is too much of a bargin to ignore, especially since ~27 SIA shots will rip apart stuff you point at, especially with the re-roll 1s to wound tactic, plus the +1 to wound stratagem, plus the captain rerolls. Anything short of a Maxed out Terminator Squad or 30 man unit will be deleted most likely, and a 30 man unit is doable if they don;t ignore morale.

I second the purchase of Aggressors and Inceptors to include in Primaris kill teams. Mixed Primaris teams is part of what makes going DW with Primaris such an effective choice!

I see mixed teams are a must. I am not too familiar with how they work however.

Would you also say a repulsor is a good choice for DW? I know they are basically a must for normal primaris.

Hi Funyon, I play Primaris DW atm. I'd advise you to buy 4 Aggressors (split a box with someone or just buy 6). this will allow you to run a very nice fortis kill team with 5 intercessors, 1 inceptor and 4 aggressors. They can be placed in deepstrike for 1cp, or a character can jump them up the board on turn 1 with the beacon relic. They are T5 as a unit (equal number of T4 +5, so you get to nominate 5), can't be tied up in CC, and put out an obscene amount of good dakka.

You're going to need a Watchmaster - you can convert one from the official one, using primaris bits to bulk him out, but it's not a straighforward job. Or you can take the arms off of him, find a decent cloak, and convert him like that. Or just have him a bit shorter than your guys. I'd also recommend a Jumppack Captain, as DW relics are good and need mobility to utilise. Again, Primaris bodies are cool for this; you'll just need whatever weapons you want on him and a vanguard vet jumppack.

As far as vehicles go, it depends how cheesy you want to be. Right at the top is the Leviathan Dreadnought, which is bleeding edge points efficient. Then you have contemptor dreads and sicarians and xiphons and such. Then you have native (and non-forgeworld) ven dreadnoughts and corvus blackstars and razorbacks - the corvus is one of the nicest models in the game, but can't carry your primaris. If you're thinking of getting some vets to go with your primaris (which you really should, they have great options for loadout), then that's okay.

Vets are the hammer, Primaris the firebase anvil.

So I should get some aggressors and add them with some intercessors. Should I do something similar with a hell blaster squad?


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Quick addition I have a game on friday so I am going to test out a couple of kill teams in a battalion detachment with I have:

1st kill team
6x intercessors. sgt w/PS
3x Hellblasters
1x inceptor w/assault bolters

2nd
6x intercessors. sgt w/PS
2x Hellblasters
2x inceptor w/assault bolters

However I am not entirely sure what that comes to points wise without a codex but I am going to piece it together

Hellblasters have nice weapons, but that's ALL they have.

As for points, since it's a friendly game just use battlescribe. It's accurate afaik.

I have been looking at battlescribe but I can't find how to do mixed primaris teams.

 FunyonFrodo wrote:
I have been looking at battlescribe but I can't find how to do mixed primaris teams.

Deathwatch has it's own section under Imperium. Don't use the Space Marine section.

I am in the deathwatch section, maybe my version isn't up to date enough

Sell them.
best and only bet.

Deathwatch are a great home for Primaris Marines as the Fortis killteams basically address most of the problems with Primaris.

Raven Guard are also pretty good as the -1 to Hit synergises pretty well with their enhanced durability. The pre-1st turn move is also great for getting Aggressors into position to double-fire on Turn 1.

So paint them black and you can run them as different armies on different days.

Add a pair of lascannon/lastalon Repulsors for anti-tank fire and you should be good to go.

Raven Guard has also been an idea however I am liking the look of ultra marines as Bobby G seems to be a good Lord of war and a great army center piece. If I do go ultra marines it might just add some normal marines such as predators and terminators, Any recommendations for normal marine additions?

The best addition WRT normal Marines are to cover areas where Primaris are weak. The first that springs to mind it anti-tank so a Dev squad with 4 Lascannons is a great start. Razorbacks with assault cannons are great dakka for the points.

Predators are OK but really need to be fielded in 3+ to make use of the Killshot stratagem. Terminators are lacklustre although the Thunderhammer/Stormshield variant are sufficiently hard-hitting and durable to be somewhat useful.

Another +1 to running them as Deathwatch.

I just got done converting all my DI Primaris Marines to Deathwatch and it wasn't a bad process. A couple Deathwatch Upgrade Sprues was enough depending on how much more you want them to look like Deathwatch.

I also bought 2 Deathwatch Killteam boxes. This netted me some vets, as well as a good amount of chapter specific shoulderpads for the conversion process on the right-arm pads. Unfortunately the KT boxes have 0 Stormbolters and only 1 Frag Cannon in each one so "optimal" loadouts for the KT may take some additional work to get them where I want them.

+1 for deathwatch if you want to be semi-competitive.


Otherwise do what you want

Don't listen to the internet

Rule of cool

Buy Eldar.

 FunyonFrodo wrote:
I see mixed teams are a must. I am not too familiar with how they work however.

Would you also say a repulsor is a good choice for DW? I know they are basically a must for normal primaris.

Repulsors are fine. The best Deathwatch armor is probably going to be some of the Forge World stuff like Leviathan Dreadnoughts and Contemptor Mortis Dreadnoughts. Just working out of the codex though, I think the Repulsor is a fairly competitive option with the Corvus Blackstar (which is a solid, but not great, flyer). And both are well ahead of Land Raiders. I would always take it with all the AT shooting you can equip it with, since your basic Primaris are going to be great against all kinds of infantry.

Primaris suffer from lack of transports and ranged anti-tank.

Things you might consider if you wanted to be something other than Deathwatch, would be 3x Predators for Killshot, 3x Vindicators for the vindicator stratagem.

You could also soup in imperial guard, too, which is generally wise if you're playing imperium.

Id say Death watch.

that way you could always just splash it into your main army on occasion or just play smaller points game with a cool kill team.

look into pop goes the monkey on shapeways for easier time converting those push fit models. he makes insginia add ons for shoulder pads, diffrent chapter icons and other icon gribbles.

or free hand :X

Buy the Deathwatch codex. Being Raven Guard is nice and all, but when it comes to Intercessors you want strictly Deathwatch. Then if you want full squads of anything else pure, buy the Vanilla Marine codex and do Raven Guard.

I bought 3 Dark Imperium starter boxes for deathwatch models, sold off all the Nurgle and rulebooks, and ended up paying around $50 per box of primaris. Converted the captain to a watch master with some ebay’d guardian spears and picked up a start collecting box today for more bits and the body for a chaplain Dreadnought. Slowly whittling down all their left shoulders to swap pads, and rolling them in extra bits do a fancy all-primaris deathwatch army on a budget.