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This list has 240 S6 Dev w/ BLW shots. The HG camp in Area terrain outside LoS as usual. The Carnifexes have Jorm Cover Save and -1 to hit Carapace. Enhanced sense to hit on 3+. The Flyrant and Rippers hold off and DS in. Flyrant also has -1 to hit. GS rush forward using Kraken Opportunistic Advance to get T1 charge. Neuro provides Synapse and has Onslaught in case a Carnifex has to advance.

++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Tyranids) [35 PL, 587pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

Hive Fleet: Kraken

+ HQ [15 PL, 293pts] +

Hive Tyrant [11 PL, 223pts]: Adrenal Glands [5pts], Chameleonic Mutation, Power: Catalyst, Power: The Horror, 2x Two Devourers with Brainleech Worms [28pts], Wings [2 PL, 47pts]

Neurothrope [4 PL, 70pts]: Power: Psychic Scream

+ Troops [20 PL, 294pts] +

Genestealers [16 PL, 228pts]: 4x Acid Maw
. 19x Genestealer [228pts]: 19x Rending Claws [38pts]

Ripper Swarms [2 PL, 33pts]: 3x Ripper Swarm [33pts]

Ripper Swarms [2 PL, 33pts]: 3x Ripper Swarm [33pts]

++ Spearhead Detachment +1CP (Tyranids) [71 PL, 1411pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

Hive Fleet: Jormungandr

+ HQ [4 PL, 70pts] +

Neurothrope [4 PL, 70pts]: Power: Onslaught, Warlord, Warlord Trait: Synaptic Lynchpin

+ Elites [13 PL, 288pts] +

Hive Guard [13 PL, 288pts]
. Hive Guard [48pts]: Impaler Cannon [30pts]
. Hive Guard [48pts]: Impaler Cannon [30pts]
. Hive Guard [48pts]: Impaler Cannon [30pts]
. Hive Guard [48pts]: Impaler Cannon [30pts]
. Hive Guard [48pts]: Impaler Cannon [30pts]
. Hive Guard [48pts]: Impaler Cannon [30pts]

+ Heavy Support [54 PL, 1053pts] +

Carnifexes [18 PL, 351pts]
. Carnifex [117pts]: Bone Mace [2pts], Enhanced Senses [10pts], Spore Cysts [10pts], 2x Two Devourers with Brainleech Worms [28pts]
. Carnifex [117pts]: Bone Mace [2pts], Enhanced Senses [10pts], Spore Cysts [10pts], 2x Two Devourers with Brainleech Worms [28pts]
. Carnifex [117pts]: Bone Mace [2pts], Enhanced Senses [10pts], Spore Cysts [10pts], 2x Two Devourers with Brainleech Worms [28pts]

Carnifexes [18 PL, 351pts]
. Carnifex [117pts]: Bone Mace [2pts], Enhanced Senses [10pts], Spore Cysts [10pts], 2x Two Devourers with Brainleech Worms [28pts]
. Carnifex [117pts]: Bone Mace [2pts], Enhanced Senses [10pts], Spore Cysts [10pts], 2x Two Devourers with Brainleech Worms [28pts]
. Carnifex [117pts]: Bone Mace [2pts], Enhanced Senses [10pts], Spore Cysts [10pts], 2x Two Devourers with Brainleech Worms [28pts]

Carnifexes [18 PL, 351pts]
. Carnifex [117pts]: Bone Mace [2pts], Enhanced Senses [10pts], Spore Cysts [10pts], 2x Two Devourers with Brainleech Worms [28pts]
. Carnifex [117pts]: Bone Mace [2pts], Enhanced Senses [10pts], Spore Cysts [10pts], 2x Two Devourers with Brainleech Worms [28pts]
. Carnifex [117pts]: Bone Mace [2pts], Enhanced Senses [10pts], Spore Cysts [10pts], 2x Two Devourers with Brainleech Worms [28pts]

++ Total: [106 PL, 1998pts] ++

A Venonthrope with all those Carnis would make them insanely survivable. You could lose two Guard in exchange for the Venoms, although that would be a significant loss to the anti-big shooting.

They already have the -1 to hit with the Sporecist, and they are cheaper than a malanthrope or 4 venoms to shroud MC and I don't have to worry about keeping them in range. Flyrant has -1 relic. Only the GS and ripper dont have -1 to hit, rippers will DS. Neuros are characters less than 10 wounds, so its really just hiding the genestealers turn 1.

Consider a screen to stop someone charging the fex's preventing you shooting.

Yeah that was my one concern. I was thinking of dropping the flyrant, adding a neuro and then spamming termies as a screen.

I was thinking that -2 to hit was better than -1, but if you're happy with the -1 then those Hive Guard will definitely provide some great anti-vehicle shooting.

 Elric Greywolf wrote:
I was thinking that -2 to hit was better than -1, but if you're happy with the -1 then those Hive Guard will definitely provide some great anti-vehicle shooting.

-1hit from Spore cysts CAN'T cumulate with Venomthrope's shrouding spores ability.(codex page 102)

 Elric Greywolf wrote:
I was thinking that -2 to hit was better than -1, but if you're happy with the -1 then those Hive Guard will definitely provide some great anti-vehicle shooting.

AFAIK they are not cumulative, i think only eldar have that cheese.

 Dynas wrote:

 Elric Greywolf wrote:
I was thinking that -2 to hit was better than -1, but if you're happy with the -1 then those Hive Guard will definitely provide some great anti-vehicle shooting.

AFAIK they are not cumulative, i think only eldar have that cheese.

Dang, when I read the Carnifex entry I thought I read it WAS cumulative. Now I'm sad

Looks like a fun list. I agree that you'll likely want a screen. I'd just throw some Termagants out front...what to cut is the only "issue" Do you have the option of running Gunfexen? (Heavy Venom, twin Brain Leeches) That can add some extra long range shooting. Flyers may be a tough nut, but currently that is only an issue with some Eldar builds.