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So two questions real quick, if there's a two story ruin where the 2nd floor is about 5 inches off the ground and completely filled with an enemy infantry unit and you wanted to charge this unit with your infantry unit that is about 5 inches away from the ruin, do you need a 10 inch charge? 5 to touch the ruin and 5 to vertically scale the ruin to get within an inch? Also if the 2nd floor is completely filled with enemy unit (no room to put your own charging unit) do they remain on the ground next to the ruin (assuming the charge was successful) or do you use wobbly model syndrome and assume they are scaling the building and just hanging out on the side? Wasn't quite sure how to play out this scenario in a recent game. Thank you!

Nixalys wrote:
So two questions real quick, if there's a two story ruin where the 2nd floor is about 5 inches off the ground and completely filled with an enemy infantry unit and you wanted to charge this unit with your infantry unit that is about 5 inches away from the ruin, do you need a 10 inch charge? 5 to touch the ruin and 5 to vertically scale the ruin to get within an inch?

Unless the charging unit has the FLY keyword, you need to measure to the ruin, then vertically.

Also if the 2nd floor is completely filled with enemy unit (no room to put your own charging unit) do they remain on the ground next to the ruin (assuming the charge was successful) or do you use wobbly model syndrome and assume they are scaling the building and just hanging out on the side? Wasn't quite sure how to play out this scenario in a recent game. Thank you!

Technically you can not charge in the scenario provided as there is not anywhere to put your charging models.
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Nixalys wrote:
So two questions real quick, if there's a two story ruin where the 2nd floor is about 5 inches off the ground and completely filled with an enemy infantry unit and you wanted to charge this unit with your infantry unit that is about 5 inches away from the ruin, do you need a 10 inch charge? 5 to touch the ruin and 5 to vertically scale the ruin to get within an inch? Also if the 2nd floor is completely filled with enemy unit (no room to put your own charging unit) do they remain on the ground next to the ruin (assuming the charge was successful) or do you use wobbly model syndrome and assume they are scaling the building and just hanging out on the side? Wasn't quite sure how to play out this scenario in a recent game. Thank you!

The answer to your first question is a yes, yes you do.


The second question is also, RAW, correct. However me and my group house rule it out outside of competitive games as the rule makes fluffy combat oriented lists struggle- very annoying just not being able to charge something

While it is a stupid ruling by GW it is the RAW answer and you cannot charge

If you are houseruling things you are deviateing fron the RAW so we can't help you as your house rule determines how it works

Ok so from my understanding, if no fly keyword then you have to measure charge horizontally and vertically up the ruin however, only if there is a place to put your model otherwise its not a legal charge target, and if the unit can fly, do you just measure up to the ruin and fight, or do you still have to have a place to put your fly model on the first floor of the ruin otherwise its still not a legal charge target?

You still need to have the base of your model with the fly keyword within 1 inch of any enemy model that was the target of a charge.

Keep in mind that units with FLY ignore vertical movement, its free, 0".

 p5freak wrote:
Keep in mind that units with FLY ignore vertical movement, its free, 0".

I have never seen this in the rules. A few models ignore vertical distances, such as some harlequins and rievers with grapnels. But not regular fly units, they just measure distances directly, as far as I know.

Gitdakka wrote:

 p5freak wrote:
Keep in mind that units with FLY ignore vertical movement, its free, 0".

I have never seen this in the rules. A few models ignore vertical distances, such as some harlequins and rievers with grapnels. But not regular fly units, they just measure distances directly, as far as I know.

It is from the FaQ:

WARHAMMER 40,000 RULEBOOK FAQ Page 4 wrote:Q: When a unit that can Fly declares a charge move against a unit that is on the upper levels of a ruin, do I need to include the vertical distance when making the subsequent charge move for the unit?

A: No. A unit that can Fly effectively ignores vertical distances when making a charge move. Note though that the charging unit must still be within 12" (measured directly ‘base-to-base’, i.e. diagonally) to be able to declare the charge in the first place.

https://whc-cdn.games-workshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/warhammer_40000_rulebook_en-1.pdf

Gitdakka wrote:

 p5freak wrote:
Keep in mind that units with FLY ignore vertical movement, its free, 0".

I have never seen this in the rules. A few models ignore vertical distances, such as some harlequins and rievers with grapnels. But not regular fly units, they just measure distances directly, as far as I know.

Why do people ignore the FAQs ? Their are essential rule updates.

Sometimes it's not that they ignore the FAQ it's that they can't find the relevant FAQ. GW does not make it easy to find every FAQ and some questions are only found in specific FAQs even though they have an impact on other Codices. GW needs to make a FAQ compendium with an index (updated annually).

Leo_the_Rat wrote:
Sometimes it's not that they ignore the FAQ it's that they can't find the relevant FAQ. GW does not make it easy to find every FAQ and some questions are only found in specific FAQs even though they have an impact on other Codices. GW needs to make a FAQ compendium with an index (updated annually).

And that FAQ technically doesn't answer the 1" question. We are making a leap that ignoring for a charge move equates to ignoring for measuring 1" base to base.

You don’t ignore vertical component when measuring distances between models, only for moving models with FLY. If a model with FLY would end a charge move 3” below and 0.5” horizontally from an enemy mode then that’s not within 1”, so would be a failed charge.