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 BaronIveagh wrote:
Anyone else laughing at the anti-gun lobbies panicking at the idea of 3d printed guns?


Today it was the NRA panicking about it, and lobbying the POTUS specifically to put an end to the idea. Which makes sense, because the NRA represents gun manufacturers, not gun owners, and so 3d printing at home is an existential threat to them. But it's weird to focus on powerless Chuck Schumer instead of the guys that literally can (and did) pick up the phone, call the POTUS, and make policy happen.

 Asherian Command wrote:
ummm. Whats so funny about 3d printing a gun that can go past metal detectors?

Thats not really funny or a laughing matter really.

Them being outlawed seems fine to me.


Any firearm that can go through a metal detector is already illegal and has been since 1988.

In any event, ammunition is going to show up on a metal detector no matter what. The whole thing is much ado about nothing in my opinion. It's already totally legal to manufacture your own firearm so the exact method really doesn't seem relevant.


Steelmage99 wrote:
The report will make absolutely no difference.

President Trump will, as he is wont to do, deliberately, directly and dishonestly lie about the findings of the investigation.
It will be repeated by Fox News.

Uninformed and ignorant (and proud of it) Republicans will uncritically swallow it, repeat it (while being completely impervious to opposing evidence) and wonder why nothing it being done and why no one is being arrested, tried for treason and hung or shot (this will be seen as the machinations of the Deep State, and not the more parsimonious solution of President Trump and Fox News simply being full of gak).

If anybody should find this prediction unrealistic, just look at the previous Benghazi investigations, the Nunes memo and the recently released FISA warrant papers. for example of this behaviour.



Indeed. This will go into the Fake News Human Centipede, where presumably the last link of lazy, effortless lies will be sharted out here.

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 Ouze wrote:


 Asherian Command wrote:
ummm. Whats so funny about 3d printing a gun that can go past metal detectors?

Thats not really funny or a laughing matter really.

Them being outlawed seems fine to me.


Any firearm that can go through a metal detector is already illegal and has been since 1988.

In any event, ammunition is going to show up on a metal detector no matter what. The whole thing is much ado about nothing in my opinion. It's already totally legal to manufacture your own firearm so the exact method really doesn't seem relevant.



Oh i didn't know that!

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 Asherian Command wrote:
 Ouze wrote:


 Asherian Command wrote:
ummm. Whats so funny about 3d printing a gun that can go past metal detectors?

Thats not really funny or a laughing matter really.

Them being outlawed seems fine to me.


Any firearm that can go through a metal detector is already illegal and has been since 1988.

In any event, ammunition is going to show up on a metal detector no matter what. The whole thing is much ado about nothing in my opinion. It's already totally legal to manufacture your own firearm so the exact method really doesn't seem relevant.



Oh i didn't know that!

Plus the TRO is obviously wrong under the First Amendment...and that’s the constitutional provision at issue, not the 2nd.

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 Asherian Command wrote:
 BaronIveagh wrote:
Anyone else laughing at the anti-gun lobbies panicking at the idea of 3d printed guns?

Am I the only one who remembered that these files were released back in 2013? And the world did not end in a hail of bullets?


ummm. Whats so funny about 3d printing a gun that can go past metal detectors?

Thats not really funny or a laughing matter really.

Them being outlawed seems fine to me.


As has been mentioned ever since the idea of printing guns came out, No. They cannot go right through a metal detector. They still require many metal components. Barrel and firing pin to name just two, unless you fancy the gun exploding or simply failing to ignite the primer. Oh and bullets are mostly metal as well.

You can buy full parts kits plus an 80% receiver to make an AK for around $500, or even less, over the internet and have it shipped right to your door. Then you're just a few hours with a drill press, rivet kit, and some calipers away from having an AK. Its also only illegal if you made it fully automatic, and the pieces to make said AK automatic can be purchased legally. Its only illegal to assemble them.

3D printed guns are cute, but not really practical as weapons.

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 Xenomancers wrote:
 Kilkrazy wrote:
That is the bias built into the system, of which I spoke.

Rural states, which lean conservative, have a higher number of electoral college votes per resident than more urbanised states such as California.


Only because each state has 2 senators added to their electoral votes which are determined by population. So the party which has more total states get a small bonus of electoral votes. This isn't an explicit bias - it's just working against the democrats at this point because more total states vote republican.


This is an explicit bias because rural areas are more conservative. This is true in most countries.

This rural conservatism would not be a problem except for the US system giving the senators an extra vote. It's a double bias in the USA because as well as the electoral college, it makes the Senate more likely to be conservative.

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 Grey Templar wrote:
As has been mentioned ever since the idea of printing guns came out, No. They cannot go right through a metal detector. They still require many metal components. Barrel and firing pin to name just two, unless you fancy the gun exploding or simply failing to ignite the primer. Oh and bullets are mostly metal as well.


Aye. It's just a repetition of the plastic gun scare you had when manufacturers started selling handguns like the Glock. The same "it will go through metal detectors" scenario being repeated by people who either don't know that it still contains significant metal parts, or people who try to keep foreign/homebuilt guns out so the american manufacturers can sell more.

I'm sure part of the previous Glock scare had the same motivation as NRA has for being against 3d printed guns now - the domestic arms companies didn't have a competing product to put on the market and looked for some way to keep their market share, even if it required them to spread outright lies.
   
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1024646945640525826?s=19

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Trump knows that there will be zero criminal charges against him, so he likely won’t do anything to actually stop this thing other than pardon family members if it comes to that.

The only fallout for him will be a PR battle once the final report is released, so they are just getting ahead of the story by getting his base fired up about how the report is going to be biased crap.

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 Kilkrazy wrote:
 Xenomancers wrote:
 Kilkrazy wrote:
That is the bias built into the system, of which I spoke.

Rural states, which lean conservative, have a higher number of electoral college votes per resident than more urbanised states such as California.


Only because each state has 2 senators added to their electoral votes which are determined by population. So the party which has more total states get a small bonus of electoral votes. This isn't an explicit bias - it's just working against the democrats at this point because more total states vote republican.


This is an explicit bias because rural areas are more conservative. This is true in most countries.

This rural conservatism would not be a problem except for the US system giving the senators an extra vote. It's a double bias in the USA because as well as the electoral college, it makes the Senate more likely to be conservative.


More often than not the US Senate has a Democrat majority. Rural states like Missouri, Nebraska, Montana, West Virginia and Nevada have had at least one Democratic Senator for the majority of my life. It was senators like Nelson and Max Baucus that were crucial to passing the ACA. Montana has had 22 Senators and 14 of them have been Democrats. Over the last 44 sessions of Congress the Democrats have had a majority in the Senate for 31 sessions while the Republicans have had a Senate majority for only 13 sessions. Over the entire history of the US Senate the Democrats have had a majority for 50 sessions and the Republicans have had a majority for 42 sessions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_divisions_of_United_States_Congresses




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I was listening to a Trumpist lady on the radio this morning. She said

1. It was Clinton who colluded with the Russians, not Trump.
2. Collusion isn't a crime.
3. It isn't collusion to talk to people.

This shows the confusion of thinking and logic in Trumpist minds.


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Prestor Jon wrote:
 Kilkrazy wrote:
 Xenomancers wrote:
 Kilkrazy wrote:
That is the bias built into the system, of which I spoke.

Rural states, which lean conservative, have a higher number of electoral college votes per resident than more urbanised states such as California.


Only because each state has 2 senators added to their electoral votes which are determined by population. So the party which has more total states get a small bonus of electoral votes. This isn't an explicit bias - it's just working against the democrats at this point because more total states vote republican.


This is an explicit bias because rural areas are more conservative. This is true in most countries.

This rural conservatism would not be a problem except for the US system giving the senators an extra vote. It's a double bias in the USA because as well as the electoral college, it makes the Senate more likely to be conservative.


More often than not the US Senate has a Democrat majority. Rural states like Missouri, Nebraska, Montana, West Virginia and Nevada have had at least one Democratic Senator for the majority of my life. It was senators like Nelson and Max Baucus that were crucial to passing the ACA. Montana has had 22 Senators and 14 of them have been Democrats. Over the last 44 sessions of Congress the Democrats have had a majority in the Senate for 31 sessions while the Republicans have had a Senate majority for only 13 sessions. Over the entire history of the US Senate the Democrats have had a majority for 50 sessions and the Republicans have had a majority for 42 sessions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_divisions_of_United_States_Congresses





That doesn't disprove my point.

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Regardless of the truth, that's gonna be an awkward thing to explain.

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https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/01/trump-urges-attorney-general-sessions-to-stop-mueller-probe-right-now.html


President Donald Trump on Wednesday called on Attorney General Jeff Sessions to end Robert Mueller's Russia probe immediately, escalating his attacks on the inquiry.

"Attorney General Jeff Sessions should stop this Rigged Witch Hunt right now," the president wrote in a post on Twitter. "Bob Mueller is totally conflicted, and his 17 Angry Democrats that are doing his dirty work are a disgrace to USA!"

Trump's tweet came before the trial of ex-campaign chief Paul Manafort entered its second day in federal court in Virginia. Manafort is being tried by Mueller's team.

Sessions, who endorsed Trump's presidential bid during the 2016 campaign, recused himself from the Russia investigation last March, before Mueller was appointed. The investigation is being overseen by Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, who has defended Mueller against critics in Congress.

Trump has attacked Sessions several times for his recusal. In June, the president wrote in a post on Twitter that Mueller was continuing to investigate "all because Jeff Sessions didn't tell me he was going to recuse himself."

"I would have quickly picked someone else. So much time and money wasted, so many lives ruined...and Sessions knew better than most that there was No Collusion," Trump tweeted.

The White House did not respond to a request to elaborate on the president's remarks. The office of the special counsel and the Department of Justice declined to comment.

Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., called the president's tweet "just another attempt to make the American people look at his latest shiny object."

In a post on Twitter Wednesday, Schumer quoted the president's tweet and wrote: "The Mueller-Rosenstein investigation is making progress at record speed: 35 indictments, 5 guilty pleas & Trump's campaign chairman on trial."

California congressman Rep. Adam Schiff, the top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, called the president's tweet "an attempt to obstruct justice hiding in plain sight."

The special counsel is investigating the president's tweets criticizing Sessions as part of a wider inquiry into whether the president has obstructed justice, The New York Times reported last month.

Trump's attacks on the special counsel have escalated in recent weeks. Trump's attorney, former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, made headlines on Monday saying that "collusion is not a crime."

The president doubled down on his attorney's comments, tweeting on Tuesday that "Collusion is not a crime, but that doesn't matter because there was No Collusion (except by Crooked Hillary and the Democrats)!"

It's true that "collusion" is not a word that appears in any criminal statute that Mueller is examining. Mueller, however, has pursued charges involving conspiracy, obstruction of justice and making false statements.



Interestingly yes donald trump can indeed by charged on obstruction if it is found that he fired the previous FBI director because of the russia investigation infact these statements he made are basically him saying that. He admits to collusion which is conspiracy.

https://www.motherjones.com/environment/2018/07/supreme-court-says-kids-can-sue-trump-over-climate-change/

The Supreme Court has rejected the Trump administration’s effort to stop a climate change lawsuit spearheaded by 21 youth plaintiffs. The plaintiffs, all between 11 and 22 years old, argue that the United States government has violated their constitutional rights by allowing fossil fuel production to continue—despite knowing its effects on the planet.

In a brief order, the high court denied the federal government’s application for a stay, calling it “premature.” The order comes on the heels of a July 20 decision by the 9th US Circuit Court of Appeals that also refused to throw out the lawsuit.

According to a press release from Our Children’s Trust and Earth Guardians, two organizations behind the lawsuit, Juliana v. the United States accuses the federal government of “creating a national energy system that causes climate change, is depriving them of their constitutional rights to life, liberty, and property and [failing] to protect essential public trust resources.” Julia Olson, executive director and chief legal counsel of Our Children’s Trust, praised the Supreme Court’s order, saying, “We look forward to presenting the scientific evidence of the harms and dangers these children face as a result of the actions their government has taken to cause the climate crisis.”

The Supreme Court also took note of the sheer ambition of the young plaintiffs’ case. “The breadth of respondents’ claims is striking, however, and the justiciability of those claims presents substantial grounds for difference of opinion,” the court noted in the unsigned order.

In April, Mother Jones spoke to Phil Gregory, lead co-counsel for the plaintiffs and some of the youthful climate activists who brought the case. “That the plaintiffs are young is a big part of their legal argument,” my colleague Amy Thomson wrote at the time. “As the government continues to neglect the consequences of climate change, they say, their future selves—and their future children—will suffer.”

The case’s origins date back to the Obama administration, when Julia Olson, an attorney from Eugene, Ore., gathered a group of young climate advocates and additional attorneys to file the suit against the government in 2015. Trump’s team inherited this case and made an attempt to stop it last year. Over the summer, the US legal team asked the Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit to review a 2016 decision that allowed the case to move forward, known as “a petition for writ of mandamus.” The Trump administration argued that preparation for trial—which could uncover scores of documents and communications related to fossil fuel companies—would be an unreasonable burden for the government. In response, the courts agreed to hear the oral arguments. In March, they denied the petition, which paved the way for a trial date.

Gregory told Mother Jones that he expected the Trump administration to make another attempt to stop the case, saying, “The federal government is scared to put climate science before a federal court.”

Juliana v. the United States is scheduled to be tried in the US District Court in Oregon on October 29.



https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/01/opinion/editorials/russia-election-meddling-trump-putin.html

With fewer than 100 days to go until the midterms, the evidence continues to pile up that America’s electoral system remains a hot target for hackers, most notably agents of the Russian government.

Last Thursday, Senator Claire McCaskill, the Missouri Democrat up for re-election this year, confirmed that she was one of two or possibly three congressional candidates whose computer networks had been unsuccessfully targeted by the Russians last year. The phishing attack, which occurred last August, was thwarted by Microsoft, which subsequently alerted her to the attempt. “While this attack was not successful, it is outrageous that they think they can get away with this,” said Ms. McCaskill in a statement.

Three days later, Senator Jeanne Shaheen, a New Hampshire Democrat, acknowledged that, in an unrelated episode, her office also had been a target of multiple spear-phishing attacks, the origins of which have yet to be officially determined. The effort bears similarities to Russia’s handiwork, but the matter is still under investigation. Ms. Shaheen said she had been told that this problem “is widespread, with political parties across the country, as well as with members of the Senate.” (Ms. Shaheen, a staunch critic of President Vladimir Putin of Russia, also received a phone call in November from someone impersonating a Latvian official and hoping to gain inside information on American sanctions against Russia. The F.B.I. is looking into that episode as well.)

Attempts to disrupt America’s government and electoral system are widespread and multifaceted. This week, in fact, Facebook announced that it had identified and removed dozens of pages and accounts linked to a coordinated effort aimed at influencing the November elections.

But it’s no mystery why Russia and other bad actors would assume they could get away with such incursions. Despite repeated warnings from United States intelligence agencies regarding the nation’s vulnerabilities, there remains no focused, coordinated plan by the White House for dealing with this crucial security issue. Nor does President Trump seem comfortable criticizing, much less holding accountable, the baddest of bad actors identified by American intelligence agencies — Mr. Putin. Quite the opposite: When it comes to cyberattacks on American democracy, the message coming from this president reeks of confusion, equivocation and weakness.

After the humiliating Trump-Putin cuddlefest in Helsinki, Finland, one might have expected Mr. Trump to clarify America’s displeasure regarding Moscow’s meddling. Instead, the president continues to dither and blow smoke. One minute he’s insisting that he supports the findings of American intelligence, the next he’s tweeting that the notion of Russian meddling is “all a big hoax.”

No matter how many members of his own team warn that the Russian president is not to be trusted, Mr. Trump simply can’t quit Mr. Putin. First he invited him for a White House visit this fall. A few days later, after receiving no response from Mr. Putin — who is the much cooler character in this relationship — Mr. Trump decided to postpone the visit until, as his national security adviser, John Bolton, so trenchantly put it, “after the Russia witch hunt.” When Mr. Putin then floated the possibility of Mr. Trump calling on him in Moscow, it took Mr. Trump just a few hours to proclaim himself “open” to the idea — assuming he receives a proper invitation, of course.

More broadly, Mr. Trump cannot seem to muster much interest in making cybersecurity a priority. The White House made a big to-do last week about the president convening the first-ever meeting of his National Security Council specifically dedicated to election security. Afterward, Sarah Huckabee Sanders, the White House press secretary, trumpeted that Mr. Trump had “made it clear that his administration will not tolerate foreign interference in our elections from any nation-state or other malicious actors.”

But “made it clear” is a matter of opinion. The high-level, closed-door meeting clocked in at well under an hour and, according to officials, was not a strategy session but rather a basic review of measures already adopted by various agencies absent direction from the White House. No coordinated plan was discussed, nor were any new steps for countering or deterring future attacks.

For all of Mr. Trump’s tough-guy bluster, his message to Mr. Putin — and whomever else might be interested in hijacking America’s electoral system — continues to be: Eh, whatever.

Fortunately, plenty of administration officials are less sanguine, with various agencies working to shore up the system; the F.B.I. and the Department of Homeland Security have formed task forces to that end. And up on Capitol Hill, senators are pushing bipartisan bills aimed at tackling this problem from multiple angles. (Legislation being championed by James Lankford, a Republican, and Amy Klobuchar, a Democrat, received a mini-lift when Mr. Trump’s performance in Helsinki nudged a few more members, including two Republicans and an independent, into signing on as co-sponsors.) But without the clear backing of the president, it will be tough to rally enough Republican support to drag any of these measures over the finish line.

At the very least, Mr. Trump could stop being so squishy about Russia. Mr. Putin is a coldly calculating politician. If he draws the lesson that his country’s bad behavior will go largely unpunished — and thus far, why wouldn’t he? — what’s to stop him from pushing the envelope even further next time?

At this point, pretty much everyone in Washington aside from Mr. Trump — and a smattering of his congressional toadies — acknowledges the threat Russia poses. Post-Helsinki, even Kirstjen Nielsen, the secretary of homeland security and one of the president’s most reliable water carriers, felt compelled to note that “Russia was absolutely attempting to interfere in our election systems” in 2016 and that it would be “foolish” to assume it wouldn’t try again. “They have capability. They have the will. We’ve got to be prepared,” she said. Likewise, Dan Coats, the director of national intelligence, asserted that Moscow’s efforts to infiltrate our electoral system “are persistent, they are pervasive and they are meant to undermine America’s democracy.”

The biggest hurdle to combating this threat seems to be America’s president.


The only fallout for him will be a PR battle once the final report is released, so they are just getting ahead of the story by getting his base fired up about how the report is going to be biased crap.


Thats objectively false, the fallout will be either he obstructed justice, or he was negligent of office (Breach of Duty) which are both impeachable offenses.

The pardon isn't all powerful it is one an admission of guilt and two only works at the federal level, not the state level.

So they can easily circumvent the pardon just by going through the states.


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Child dies in ICE detention center

Immigration lawyer claims negligent care following a respiratory infection caught from another child is to blame, ICE is not commenting beyond confirming the death.

Regardless of the truth, that's gonna be an awkward thing to explain.


Thats actually fake :


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Yeah just caught that, they updated the article to correct it, definitely a better outcome.

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 Asherian Command wrote:
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/01/trump-urges-attorney-general-sessions-to-stop-mueller-probe-right-now.html


Spoiler:
President Donald Trump on Wednesday called on Attorney General Jeff Sessions to end Robert Mueller's Russia probe immediately, escalating his attacks on the inquiry.

"Attorney General Jeff Sessions should stop this Rigged Witch Hunt right now," the president wrote in a post on Twitter. "Bob Mueller is totally conflicted, and his 17 Angry Democrats that are doing his dirty work are a disgrace to USA!"

Trump's tweet came before the trial of ex-campaign chief Paul Manafort entered its second day in federal court in Virginia. Manafort is being tried by Mueller's team.

Sessions, who endorsed Trump's presidential bid during the 2016 campaign, recused himself from the Russia investigation last March, before Mueller was appointed. The investigation is being overseen by Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, who has defended Mueller against critics in Congress.

Trump has attacked Sessions several times for his recusal. In June, the president wrote in a post on Twitter that Mueller was continuing to investigate "all because Jeff Sessions didn't tell me he was going to recuse himself."

"I would have quickly picked someone else. So much time and money wasted, so many lives ruined...and Sessions knew better than most that there was No Collusion," Trump tweeted.

The White House did not respond to a request to elaborate on the president's remarks. The office of the special counsel and the Department of Justice declined to comment.

Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., called the president's tweet "just another attempt to make the American people look at his latest shiny object."

In a post on Twitter Wednesday, Schumer quoted the president's tweet and wrote: "The Mueller-Rosenstein investigation is making progress at record speed: 35 indictments, 5 guilty pleas & Trump's campaign chairman on trial."

California congressman Rep. Adam Schiff, the top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, called the president's tweet "an attempt to obstruct justice hiding in plain sight."

The special counsel is investigating the president's tweets criticizing Sessions as part of a wider inquiry into whether the president has obstructed justice, The New York Times reported last month.

Trump's attacks on the special counsel have escalated in recent weeks. Trump's attorney, former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, made headlines on Monday saying that "collusion is not a crime."

The president doubled down on his attorney's comments, tweeting on Tuesday that "Collusion is not a crime, but that doesn't matter because there was No Collusion (except by Crooked Hillary and the Democrats)!"

It's true that "collusion" is not a word that appears in any criminal statute that Mueller is examining. Mueller, however, has pursued charges involving conspiracy, obstruction of justice and making false statements.



Same crap he's been harping about since day one... however, Trump sure knows how to frame it as a catch phrase:
Bob Mueller is totally conflicted, and his 17 Angry Democrats
Sounds like a title of a Western movie!

Interestingly yes donald trump can indeed by charged on obstruction if it is found that he fired the previous FBI director because of the russia investigation infact these statements he made are basically him saying that. He admits to collusion which is conspiracy.

Collusion <> Conspiracy.

To be clear, collusion is literally just concerted activity. It can be made to sound sinister, but it is not necessarily good or bad, criminal or innocent. It’s just people doing stuff together.

A subset of collusion is conspiracy. Conspiracy is indeed a crime. Technically, it is an agreement between two or more people to commit a crime....even if its criminal objective is never realized. (ie, "conspiracy to commit" laws).

When folks invoke “collusion” in discussing the FBI’s or Mueller’s investigation, people who follows this are probably referring to the Russian cyber-espionage conspiracy (ie, DNC hack) and any connection from that to Trump's campaign.

However, it seems the that for many, invoking "collusion" as an impeachable office for simply meeting with foreign nationals...really muddies the waters. And both sides (anti/pro Trumpers) are guilty of as they're conflating both to obfuscate this.

In regards to both Trump Jr's attempt in getting dirt on HRC from the Russians or HRC/DNC paying for Russian dirt via Fusion GPS... not everything that is distasteful is illegal. It's not illegal to take opposition research from a foreign source, nor has there been any meaningful prosecution targeting this. There are arguments from lawyers that it could technically amount to an illegal in-kind campaign contribution under federal election law...as long as it's applied consistently, I’d have no problem if the FEC/DOG started enforcing the law that way, as it's absolutely distasteful to source opposition research on your political opponents from foreign sources. It gets dangerously close to quid pro quo types of arraignment. However, I think we'd be naive to believe this isn't de jour in modern politics , so if this is going to be a thing then the government need to publicly announce that this will be enforced (Sessions can simply write a memorandum attesting to this).


With fewer than 100 days to go until the midterms, the evidence continues to pile up that America’s electoral system remains a hot target for hackers, most notably agents of the Russian government.

Last Thursday, Senator Claire McCaskill, the Missouri Democrat up for re-election this year, confirmed that she was one of two or possibly three congressional candidates whose computer networks had been unsuccessfully targeted by the Russians last year. The phishing attack, which occurred last August, was thwarted by Microsoft, which subsequently alerted her to the attempt. “While this attack was not successful, it is outrageous that they think they can get away with this,” said Ms. McCaskill in a statement.

Three days later, Senator Jeanne Shaheen, a New Hampshire Democrat, acknowledged that, in an unrelated episode, her office also had been a target of multiple spear-phishing attacks, the origins of which have yet to be officially determined. The effort bears similarities to Russia’s handiwork, but the matter is still under investigation. Ms. Shaheen said she had been told that this problem “is widespread, with political parties across the country, as well as with members of the Senate.” (Ms. Shaheen, a staunch critic of President Vladimir Putin of Russia, also received a phone call in November from someone impersonating a Latvian official and hoping to gain inside information on American sanctions against Russia. The F.B.I. is looking into that episode as well.)

Attempts to disrupt America’s government and electoral system are widespread and multifaceted. This week, in fact, Facebook announced that it had identified and removed dozens of pages and accounts linked to a coordinated effort aimed at influencing the November elections.

But it’s no mystery why Russia and other bad actors would assume they could get away with such incursions. Despite repeated warnings from United States intelligence agencies regarding the nation’s vulnerabilities, there remains no focused, coordinated plan by the White House for dealing with this crucial security issue. Nor does President Trump seem comfortable criticizing, much less holding accountable, the baddest of bad actors identified by American intelligence agencies — Mr. Putin. Quite the opposite: When it comes to cyberattacks on American democracy, the message coming from this president reeks of confusion, equivocation and weakness.

After the humiliating Trump-Putin cuddlefest in Helsinki, Finland, one might have expected Mr. Trump to clarify America’s displeasure regarding Moscow’s meddling. Instead, the president continues to dither and blow smoke. One minute he’s insisting that he supports the findings of American intelligence, the next he’s tweeting that the notion of Russian meddling is “all a big hoax.”

No matter how many members of his own team warn that the Russian president is not to be trusted, Mr. Trump simply can’t quit Mr. Putin. First he invited him for a White House visit this fall. A few days later, after receiving no response from Mr. Putin — who is the much cooler character in this relationship — Mr. Trump decided to postpone the visit until, as his national security adviser, John Bolton, so trenchantly put it, “after the Russia witch hunt.” When Mr. Putin then floated the possibility of Mr. Trump calling on him in Moscow, it took Mr. Trump just a few hours to proclaim himself “open” to the idea — assuming he receives a proper invitation, of course.

More broadly, Mr. Trump cannot seem to muster much interest in making cybersecurity a priority. The White House made a big to-do last week about the president convening the first-ever meeting of his National Security Council specifically dedicated to election security. Afterward, Sarah Huckabee Sanders, the White House press secretary, trumpeted that Mr. Trump had “made it clear that his administration will not tolerate foreign interference in our elections from any nation-state or other malicious actors.”

But “made it clear” is a matter of opinion. The high-level, closed-door meeting clocked in at well under an hour and, according to officials, was not a strategy session but rather a basic review of measures already adopted by various agencies absent direction from the White House. No coordinated plan was discussed, nor were any new steps for countering or deterring future attacks.

For all of Mr. Trump’s tough-guy bluster, his message to Mr. Putin — and whomever else might be interested in hijacking America’s electoral system — continues to be: Eh, whatever.

Fortunately, plenty of administration officials are less sanguine, with various agencies working to shore up the system; the F.B.I. and the Department of Homeland Security have formed task forces to that end. And up on Capitol Hill, senators are pushing bipartisan bills aimed at tackling this problem from multiple angles. (Legislation being championed by James Lankford, a Republican, and Amy Klobuchar, a Democrat, received a mini-lift when Mr. Trump’s performance in Helsinki nudged a few more members, including two Republicans and an independent, into signing on as co-sponsors.) But without the clear backing of the president, it will be tough to rally enough Republican support to drag any of these measures over the finish line.

At the very least, Mr. Trump could stop being so squishy about Russia. Mr. Putin is a coldly calculating politician. If he draws the lesson that his country’s bad behavior will go largely unpunished — and thus far, why wouldn’t he? — what’s to stop him from pushing the envelope even further next time?

At this point, pretty much everyone in Washington aside from Mr. Trump — and a smattering of his congressional toadies — acknowledges the threat Russia poses. Post-Helsinki, even Kirstjen Nielsen, the secretary of homeland security and one of the president’s most reliable water carriers, felt compelled to note that “Russia was absolutely attempting to interfere in our election systems” in 2016 and that it would be “foolish” to assume it wouldn’t try again. “They have capability. They have the will. We’ve got to be prepared,” she said. Likewise, Dan Coats, the director of national intelligence, asserted that Moscow’s efforts to infiltrate our electoral system “are persistent, they are pervasive and they are meant to undermine America’s democracy.”

The biggest hurdle to combating this threat seems to be America’s president.


The only fallout for him will be a PR battle once the final report is released, so they are just getting ahead of the story by getting his base fired up about how the report is going to be biased crap.


Thats objectively false, the fallout will be either he obstructed justice, or he was negligent of office (Breach of Duty) which are both impeachable offenses.


Congress can really dictate what exactly is an impeachable offense, as it's a political act rather than adjudicating a court case where specific laws were broken. In other words, short of an airtight case that definitively proves conspiracy on Trump's part, an impeachment vote in the Senate will fail, offering something similar to what happened to the Clinton impeachment... where the Trump critics are convinced he committed crimes and escaped serious consequence, and Trump's supporters are convinced he was unfairly targeted by a partisan vendetta and a prosecutor who was determined to claim a scalp. It will be a hell of a fugly episode in modern politics.

The pardon isn't all powerful it is one an admission of guilt and two only works at the federal level, not the state level.

So they can easily circumvent the pardon just by going through the states.

It's a plenary power that can't be stopped.

Additionally, there are laws in just about every state that prohibits states from charging someone who received a potus pardon under states laws. Although, I think NY is trying to change that (or already did).


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Child dies in ICE detention center

Immigration lawyer claims negligent care following a respiratory infection caught from another child is to blame, ICE is not commenting beyond confirming the death.

Regardless of the truth, that's gonna be an awkward thing to explain.


Thats actually fake :


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Reports that a child died in ICE custody at Dilley are false.


*sigh*

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 whembly wrote:

Same crap he's been harping about since day one... however, Trump sure knows how to frame it as a catch phrase:
Bob Mueller is totally conflicted, and his 17 Angry Democrats
Sounds like a title of a Western movie!


It's literally aping the title of a courtroom movie: 12 Angry Men.

   
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 Captain Joystick wrote:
 whembly wrote:

Same crap he's been harping about since day one... however, Trump sure knows how to frame it as a catch phrase:
Bob Mueller is totally conflicted, and his 17 Angry Democrats
Sounds like a title of a Western movie!


It's literally aping the title of a courtroom movie: 12 Angry Men.


It is quite a strange comparison for President Trump to make.

In "12 Angry Men" the jury is initially close to finding the accused (falsely) guilty, but during careful deliberation, investigation and discussion the jury comes to find the accused not guilty.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/12_Angry_Men_(1957_film)#Plot

For President Trump to present this analogy as part of his "argument" for ending the investigation early is completely counter intuitive.
By invoking "12 Angry Men" he is in fact arguing that the investigation should be allowed to run it's course.

Then again I don't expect President Trump or his supporters to have the awareness to see this. I also doubt that he or his supporters have ever actually seen the movie or explored it's themes.

In short, President Trump is a moron, but no more is needed to convince his base or Fox News.


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I don't think Trump is a moron. He is simply deploying the kind of dog whistles and trigger words that his base relates to.

Such as "Democrat".

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I don't think Trump is a moron. He is simply deploying the kind of dog whistles and trigger words that his base relates to.

Such as "Democrat".


*Hisses*

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I hate these dog whistles :/

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Can we really still call it a dog whistle when its so blatantly and obviously stated, lacking any euphemisms? Its more like a Pavlovian response, we can all hear it, but only the ones that are trained start foaming.

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 Kilkrazy wrote:
I don't think Trump is a moron. He is simply deploying the kind of dog whistles and trigger words that his base relates to.

Such as "Democrat".


Can’t he be both?

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 Steve steveson wrote:
 Kilkrazy wrote:
I don't think Trump is a moron. He is simply deploying the kind of dog whistles and trigger words that his base relates to.

Such as "Democrat".


Can’t he be both?

Well the fact that he can't seem to summon the concentration to read a few pages of important information at the start of the day or he had the "I hear you" cheat sheet certainly seems to favor the both approach.

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 Vaktathi wrote:
Child dies in ICE detention center

Immigration lawyer claims negligent care following a respiratory infection caught from another child is to blame, ICE is not commenting beyond confirming the death.

Regardless of the truth, that's gonna be an awkward thing to explain.

The article you cite is missing some crucial information and has a very misleading title - as it is actually a false title.

The child did not die while in ICE custody. In fact the article doesn't even say where the child died...or how long after being in custody. How can you possibly draw any conclusion from this article? False title and no important information. This is essentially a great example of "fake news".

From the article:
(An immigrant child died after being in custody of the Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) in Dilley, Texas, according to tweets from Houston immigration lawyer Mana Yegani on Tuesday.

In one of the tweets, Yegani revealed a possible cause for the child’s death.

“The child died following her stay at an ICE Detention Center, as a result of possible negligent care and a respiratory illness she contracted from one of the other children. The events took place in Dilley Family Detention Center in south Texas,” she wrote.)


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Still contains more “facts” than some posts in this thread.


Or, you know, a lot of the President's tweets.

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Did he... Did he even read the posts after that?

Ugh never mind

anyone see this story?

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/politics/ct-met-illinois-house-representative-sauer-allegations-20180801-story.html



An Illinois House Republican lawmaker who had been appointed to the General Assembly’s sexual harassment task force is expected to resign from office Wednesday, following his ex-girlfriend’s allegations of improper sexual activity online, House GOP Leader Jim Durkin said.

State Rep. Nick Sauer, of Lake Barrington, was accused by an ex-girlfriend of sending nude photos of her to other men online, according to a report from Politico published Wednesday. The ex-girlfriend has filed a complaint about the matter to the Chicago Police Department and the Office of the Legislative Inspector General, Politico reported.
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The Chicago Tribune’s attempts to reach Sauer on Wednesday morning were unsuccessful. Inspector General Julie Porter said she is “not able to talk about current investigations, including whether or not a complaint has been filed.”

“The allegations that have come forth against Representative Nick Sauer are troubling. He will be resigning from office today. We should allow the proper authorities to conduct their investigations,” Durkin said in a statement.

Gov. Bruce Rauner said Sauer resigning is “the right thing to do.”

READ MORE: Illinois lawmakers' sexual harassment prevention proposals keep oversight in leaders' hands »

Sauer, a first-term lawmaker seeking re-election this fall, is a member of the House Sexual Discrimination and Harassment task force. The group was impaneled late last year in the wake of increasing sexual harassment allegations at the state Capitol.

“These are very serious allegations and Representative Nick Sauer has made the right decision to resign his seat in the Illinois House of Representatives,” said state Sen. Dan McConchie, R-Hawthorn Woods.

Sen. Melinda Bush, a Grayslake Democrat who co-chairs the Senate’s Sexual Discrimination and Harassment Awareness and Prevention Task Force, in a statement said she thought Sauer’s alleged actions violated the state’s “revenge porn” law.

“Democrat or Republican — this behavior is inappropriate and unbecoming of someone elected to serve the public. I applaud the Illinois Republican Party for calling for Rep. Sauer’s resignation; I hope he will do the right thing and step down immediately,” Bush said in a statement.

The allegations against a Republican lawmaker follow a string of complaints from women about the behavior of men at the Capitol, particularly Democrats.

Democratic House Speaker Michael Madigan’s longtime chief of staff, Tim Mapes, resigned this summer hours after a House employee said she endured harassment by the powerful politician's longtime top aide.

In October, victim rights advocate Denise Rotheimer accused state Sen. Ira Silverstein of using her advocacy for a crime victim rights bill as an opening to pursue a personal relationship.

The temporary inspector general concluded that Silverstein had acted in a way that was unbecoming of a lawmaker but the case did not rise to the level of sexual harassment.

In February, the Chicago Tribune disclosed sexual harassment allegations from Alaina Hampton, who was working on Democratic House campaigns and had received aggressive and inappropriate text messages from Kevin Quinn, a top aide in Speaker Michael Madigan's political organization. Madigan then ousted Quinn, the brother of Ald. Marty Quinn, the point man in the speaker's 13th Ward.

Rauner has denounced the "culture of abuse" in state government and sought to blame Madigan. The governor in 2015 appointed the Republican Sauer to the Illinois Tollway board, but still aimed remarks at an unrelated event Wednesday at the speaker, his chief political nemesis.

“There’s no culture that I’ve created. Madigan, in the legislature, has created a culture of abuse,” Rauner said. “People all around him have had to resign because they’ve been caught. What’s clear is Madigan has hidden accusations.”



Ho Crapolia thats not good for the Republicians :/

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 Kilkrazy wrote:
 Xenomancers wrote:
 Kilkrazy wrote:
That is the bias built into the system, of which I spoke.

Rural states, which lean conservative, have a higher number of electoral college votes per resident than more urbanised states such as California.


Only because each state has 2 senators added to their electoral votes which are determined by population. So the party which has more total states get a small bonus of electoral votes. This isn't an explicit bias - it's just working against the democrats at this point because more total states vote republican.


This is an explicit bias because rural areas are more conservative. This is true in most countries.

This rural conservatism would not be a problem except for the US system giving the senators an extra vote. It's a double bias in the USA because as well as the electoral college, it makes the Senate more likely to be conservative.

You have a good point - but conservative/liberal are not directly tied into a states population - this is what determines the number of votes your state gets in the EC. Maine and rhode island and hawaii are 3 typically blue states and 3 of the lowest populations in the US. They too benefit from the same thing you say is a bias against liberals. In any case. The biggest factor on this subject is region. States tend to lean politically the same as the states around them.

It seems to me that the EC is doing exactly what it is supposed to do. Not letting the 2 states with the highest population automatically determine the next president.

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 Xenomancers wrote:
 Kilkrazy wrote:
 Xenomancers wrote:
 Kilkrazy wrote:
That is the bias built into the system, of which I spoke.

Rural states, which lean conservative, have a higher number of electoral college votes per resident than more urbanised states such as California.


Only because each state has 2 senators added to their electoral votes which are determined by population. So the party which has more total states get a small bonus of electoral votes. This isn't an explicit bias - it's just working against the democrats at this point because more total states vote republican.


This is an explicit bias because rural areas are more conservative. This is true in most countries.

This rural conservatism would not be a problem except for the US system giving the senators an extra vote. It's a double bias in the USA because as well as the electoral college, it makes the Senate more likely to be conservative.

You have a good point - but conservative/liberal are not directly tied into a states population - this is what determines the number of votes your state gets in the EC. Maine and rhode island and hawaii are 3 typically blue states and 3 of the lowest populations in the US.


It's not just about total population, but population density, of which Rhode Island is 3rd, Hawaii is 13th and Maine is the outlier at 38th however in that regard.

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Did he... Did he even read the posts after that?

Ugh never mind

anyone see this story?

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/politics/ct-met-illinois-house-representative-sauer-allegations-20180801-story.html



An Illinois House Republican lawmaker who had been appointed to the General Assembly’s sexual harassment task force is expected to resign from office Wednesday, following his ex-girlfriend’s allegations of improper sexual activity online, House GOP Leader Jim Durkin said.

State Rep. Nick Sauer, of Lake Barrington, was accused by an ex-girlfriend of sending nude photos of her to other men online, according to a report from Politico published Wednesday. The ex-girlfriend has filed a complaint about the matter to the Chicago Police Department and the Office of the Legislative Inspector General, Politico reported.
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The Chicago Tribune’s attempts to reach Sauer on Wednesday morning were unsuccessful. Inspector General Julie Porter said she is “not able to talk about current investigations, including whether or not a complaint has been filed.”

“The allegations that have come forth against Representative Nick Sauer are troubling. He will be resigning from office today. We should allow the proper authorities to conduct their investigations,” Durkin said in a statement.

Gov. Bruce Rauner said Sauer resigning is “the right thing to do.”

READ MORE: Illinois lawmakers' sexual harassment prevention proposals keep oversight in leaders' hands »

Sauer, a first-term lawmaker seeking re-election this fall, is a member of the House Sexual Discrimination and Harassment task force. The group was impaneled late last year in the wake of increasing sexual harassment allegations at the state Capitol.

“These are very serious allegations and Representative Nick Sauer has made the right decision to resign his seat in the Illinois House of Representatives,” said state Sen. Dan McConchie, R-Hawthorn Woods.

Sen. Melinda Bush, a Grayslake Democrat who co-chairs the Senate’s Sexual Discrimination and Harassment Awareness and Prevention Task Force, in a statement said she thought Sauer’s alleged actions violated the state’s “revenge porn” law.

“Democrat or Republican — this behavior is inappropriate and unbecoming of someone elected to serve the public. I applaud the Illinois Republican Party for calling for Rep. Sauer’s resignation; I hope he will do the right thing and step down immediately,” Bush said in a statement.

The allegations against a Republican lawmaker follow a string of complaints from women about the behavior of men at the Capitol, particularly Democrats.

Democratic House Speaker Michael Madigan’s longtime chief of staff, Tim Mapes, resigned this summer hours after a House employee said she endured harassment by the powerful politician's longtime top aide.

In October, victim rights advocate Denise Rotheimer accused state Sen. Ira Silverstein of using her advocacy for a crime victim rights bill as an opening to pursue a personal relationship.

The temporary inspector general concluded that Silverstein had acted in a way that was unbecoming of a lawmaker but the case did not rise to the level of sexual harassment.

In February, the Chicago Tribune disclosed sexual harassment allegations from Alaina Hampton, who was working on Democratic House campaigns and had received aggressive and inappropriate text messages from Kevin Quinn, a top aide in Speaker Michael Madigan's political organization. Madigan then ousted Quinn, the brother of Ald. Marty Quinn, the point man in the speaker's 13th Ward.

Rauner has denounced the "culture of abuse" in state government and sought to blame Madigan. The governor in 2015 appointed the Republican Sauer to the Illinois Tollway board, but still aimed remarks at an unrelated event Wednesday at the speaker, his chief political nemesis.

“There’s no culture that I’ve created. Madigan, in the legislature, has created a culture of abuse,” Rauner said. “People all around him have had to resign because they’ve been caught. What’s clear is Madigan has hidden accusations.”



Ho Crapolia thats not good for the Republicians :/

Fake news can't be called out enough!

So - the article you are posting. I don't see any evidence here ether. Accusations were made and people lost jobs as a result. This is happening more and more in this country. The fact that you cheer it on is quite disgusting. Obviously if the accusations are true - he violated someones privacy and should be punished for that - I don't see proof of that anywhere in the article. However - these are just accusations. It is very possible he just resigned to save himself the embarrassment on having his personal life exposed to the public without having actually committed a crime.

It is my personal opinion that people need to stop rushing to judgement. Let details come out and look at them objectively.

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The GOP has a habit of circling the wagons in the face of any kind of accusation. Given how quickly they have acted on this, it's unlikely this story doesn't have legs.

Revenge porn or sharing of nudes without consent is one of the scummiest things a guy can do.

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 Wolfblade wrote:
 Xenomancers wrote:
 Kilkrazy wrote:
 Xenomancers wrote:
 Kilkrazy wrote:
That is the bias built into the system, of which I spoke.

Rural states, which lean conservative, have a higher number of electoral college votes per resident than more urbanised states such as California.


Only because each state has 2 senators added to their electoral votes which are determined by population. So the party which has more total states get a small bonus of electoral votes. This isn't an explicit bias - it's just working against the democrats at this point because more total states vote republican.


This is an explicit bias because rural areas are more conservative. This is true in most countries.

This rural conservatism would not be a problem except for the US system giving the senators an extra vote. It's a double bias in the USA because as well as the electoral college, it makes the Senate more likely to be conservative.

You have a good point - but conservative/liberal are not directly tied into a states population - this is what determines the number of votes your state gets in the EC. Maine and rhode island and hawaii are 3 typically blue states and 3 of the lowest populations in the US.


It's not just about total population, but population density, of which Rhode Island is 3rd, Hawaii is 13th and Maine is the outlier at 38th however in that regard.

Yeah - I am not trying to argue that people in cites (cities have high population denisty) aren't more likely to be liberal. They certainly are. A small state can still have a very small population and a high population density though and still benefit from increased EC votes based on their population. I don't see a bias here. I do see an unarguable bias though in this case. If we instead decided to determine the EC by land total land mass. It seems that the republican states are about 400% under represented. I am not going to argue that point - I don't think it should work that way. It wouldn't make any sense to argue that point. Tell me though - how does the argument that the EC is biased against liberals make any more sense? Does not land too offer the country resources and produce for the economy and sustain the population?

The EC was put into place deliberately to prevent large states from overpowering small ones. It is doing that job.


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The GOP has a habit of circling the wagons in the face of any kind of accusation. Given how quickly they have acted on this, it's unlikely this story doesn't have legs.

Revenge porn or sharing of nudes without consent is one of the scummiest things a guy can do.

I don't disagree with that. Though - do you agree that reserving judgement is a much better practice than assuming guilt? I sure am glad our legal system works that way.

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