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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/06/26 18:52:15
Subject: Is it possible we'll see a revised Space Marine codex?
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Fixture of Dakka
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Martel732 wrote:I'm told the venerable dread and leviathan dread are good, so everything's great in marine land.
See!? Space Marines ARE dead... or essentially dead... at least on constant life support...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/06/26 19:02:42
Subject: Is it possible we'll see a revised Space Marine codex?
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@ Lunar
Literal LOL, thanks I needed that...
Sad but true, leviathans are holding up the dex (they're not even really in the dex so there's that). Vens not so much.
I'm holding out hope for serious changes in CA but at this point I don't see it happening. I think 8th will end up like 7th did once all the dexes are out. There are going to be a ton of mini-supplements that power creep their way into an unbalanced mess (primarch releases, new primaris, CA) where you're going to need 7-8 books to field your army.
GW will make a ton of money and people will hail it as a success (gotta buy all those new dexes, then the models, then the primarchs, then the new paint colors released to paint them and honestly I'll probably do all of that, god I'm dumb).
Meanwhile marines will go from trash tier to god tier which will accelerate the arms race for the next CA where disi cannons will go down to 7 points and all of a sudden your 2k army clocks in at 1500 points so now you'll need new models. Plastic sisters will bust on the scene...
I'd rather a nerf to the better performing armies than a boost to marines but I don't think that's how GW works. They need new hotness, meta shake-ups and new books to maintain an increasing bottom line (you know, shareholders, fiduciary duties and all that).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/06/26 19:05:40
Subject: Is it possible we'll see a revised Space Marine codex?
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Scarred Ultramarine Tyrannic War Veteran
McCragge
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GK move on over SM wanna join on the long pine bench!
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Bow down to Guilliman for he is our new God Emperor!
Martel - "Custodes are terrible in 8th. Good luck with them. They take all the problems of marines and multiply them."
"Lol, classic martel. 'I know it was strong enough to podium in the biggest tournament in the world but I refuse to acknowledge space marines are good because I can't win with them and it can't possibly be ME'."
DakkaDakka is really the place where you need anti-tank guns to kill basic dudes, because anything less isn't durable enough. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/06/26 19:11:47
Subject: Is it possible we'll see a revised Space Marine codex?
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iGuy91 wrote:I think its likely a 7/10 chance we get a new SM dex after the last announced dex drops for Sisters of Battle.
They need points adjustment, fixed chapter tactics, new set of strategems, and just a general increase in lethality to keep up.
It would take less than 5 hours to write out a CA fix for codex space marines. Points fixes and new stratagems as well as some stats and wargear options. New codex isn't even needed IMO.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/06/26 19:45:18
Subject: Re:Is it possible we'll see a revised Space Marine codex?
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Chaplain with Hate to Spare
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Well, I honestly could see GW releasing something like the Angels of Death book for Space Marines, and any other army really. Probably with more or better Chapter Tactics, Warlord Traits, Relics, and Stratagem. It will probably come out at the time they release the next wave of Primaris Space Marines. I would welcome it. The Crimson Fists Chapter Tactic is garbage, as is our Warlord Trait and Stratagem. And it absolutely seems like GW to have us pay money to fix their mistakes.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/06/26 20:25:03
Subject: Re:Is it possible we'll see a revised Space Marine codex?
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I have noticed a massive proliferation of multi damage weaponry lately. It seems like every new codex (Necrons, Drukhari, Tau) all have new and efficient ways of killing primaris marines. While I think it's good for the game that there are weapons that counter primaris, the problem is that these are the most efficient guns for a wide variety of roles. People bring disintegrators because they're amazing, destroyers are probably the best necron unit overall, and Primaris get caught in the crossfire of all this stuff. It's the Dark Reaper situation all over again (or maybe that never really went away).
Couple that with the fact that the chapter tactics are inconsistently applied and the stratagems are virtually unusable, and I wouldn't mind having an updated marine codex.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/06/26 20:48:33
Subject: Re:Is it possible we'll see a revised Space Marine codex?
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DraxiusII wrote:I have noticed a massive proliferation of multi damage weaponry lately. It seems like every new codex (Necrons, Drukhari, Tau) all have new and efficient ways of killing primaris marines. While I think it's good for the game that there are weapons that counter primaris, the problem is that these are the most efficient guns for a wide variety of roles. People bring disintegrators because they're amazing, destroyers are probably the best necron unit overall, and Primaris get caught in the crossfire of all this stuff. It's the Dark Reaper situation all over again (or maybe that never really went away).
Couple that with the fact that the chapter tactics are inconsistently applied and the stratagems are virtually unusable, and I wouldn't mind having an updated marine codex.
I predicted this, but many posters on here laughed at me. Sorry about your luck, primaris-lovers.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/06/26 22:22:08
Subject: Is it possible we'll see a revised Space Marine codex?
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Scarred Ultramarine Tyrannic War Veteran
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Xenomancers wrote:Just wait till space wolves comes out. Per usual they will be the creme of the crop.
They were hot garbage in 7th edition. Generally speaking GK and SW players are the biggest whiners right up their with Tau players... but wait here comes SM players now.
DraxiusII wrote:I have noticed a massive proliferation of multi damage weaponry lately. It seems like every new codex (Necrons, Drukhari, Tau) all have new and efficient ways of killing primaris marines. While I think it's good for the game that there are weapons that counter primaris, the problem is that these are the most efficient guns for a wide variety of roles. People bring disintegrators because they're amazing, destroyers are probably the best necron unit overall, and Primaris get caught in the crossfire of all this stuff. It's the Dark Reaper situation all over again (or maybe that never really went away).
Couple that with the fact that the chapter tactics are inconsistently applied and the stratagems are virtually unusable, and I wouldn't mind having an updated marine codex.
hey Martel this is your dream buddy you have been waiting for all your life!
There have been plenty of multi-wound weapons since the very beginning of 8th edition. Basically what you are saying is really any multi-wound model is hot garbage but people play Grotesques, Shining Spears, Bullgyrn, Blightlords, Flyrants, vehicles, etc. It is a really dumb argument that holds no merit.
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Bow down to Guilliman for he is our new God Emperor!
Martel - "Custodes are terrible in 8th. Good luck with them. They take all the problems of marines and multiply them."
"Lol, classic martel. 'I know it was strong enough to podium in the biggest tournament in the world but I refuse to acknowledge space marines are good because I can't win with them and it can't possibly be ME'."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/06/26 22:28:26
Subject: Is it possible we'll see a revised Space Marine codex?
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Primark G wrote: Xenomancers wrote:Just wait till space wolves comes out. Per usual they will be the creme of the crop.
They were hot garbage in 7th edition. Generally speaking GK and SW players are the biggest whiners right up their with Tau players... but wait here comes SM players now.
DraxiusII wrote:I have noticed a massive proliferation of multi damage weaponry lately. It seems like every new codex (Necrons, Drukhari, Tau) all have new and efficient ways of killing primaris marines. While I think it's good for the game that there are weapons that counter primaris, the problem is that these are the most efficient guns for a wide variety of roles. People bring disintegrators because they're amazing, destroyers are probably the best necron unit overall, and Primaris get caught in the crossfire of all this stuff. It's the Dark Reaper situation all over again (or maybe that never really went away).
Couple that with the fact that the chapter tactics are inconsistently applied and the stratagems are virtually unusable, and I wouldn't mind having an updated marine codex.
hey Martel this is your dream buddy you have been waiting for all your life!
Space Wolves were middle road in 7th. Like, did you play at all that edition?
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CaptainStabby wrote:If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.
jy2 wrote:BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.
vipoid wrote:Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?
MarsNZ wrote:ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/06/26 22:38:58
Subject: Is it possible we'll see a revised Space Marine codex?
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Scarred Ultramarine Tyrannic War Veteran
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I am holding up some fingers - can you guess how many?
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Bow down to Guilliman for he is our new God Emperor!
Martel - "Custodes are terrible in 8th. Good luck with them. They take all the problems of marines and multiply them."
"Lol, classic martel. 'I know it was strong enough to podium in the biggest tournament in the world but I refuse to acknowledge space marines are good because I can't win with them and it can't possibly be ME'."
DakkaDakka is really the place where you need anti-tank guns to kill basic dudes, because anything less isn't durable enough. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/06/26 22:53:12
Subject: Is it possible we'll see a revised Space Marine codex?
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Imperial Guard Landspeeder Pilot
On moon miranda.
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I would not expect a new SM codex this edition, CA should be the mechanism to fix balance issues.
While there have been editions where armies have gotten two codex books, IIRC the last time was 3E, and that was after a major edition update partway through and a 6 year edition lifespan and starting with very thin and lame Codex books for the first couple years.
I expect we may see some additional SM releases to add to the codex, but probably not anything more.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/06/27 01:51:22
Subject: Is it possible we'll see a revised Space Marine codex?
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Steadfast Ultramarine Sergeant
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While I agree that CA should be the way to deliver the fixes.
But it's kinda like the ship of theseus. If drastic changes are made what is the codex worth?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/06/27 01:55:43
Subject: Is it possible we'll see a revised Space Marine codex?
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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Stormcast are on, what, third Battletome so far?
Almost inevitable that Space Marines will get a Codex v2 with new Primaris toys and story evolution.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/06/27 01:59:48
Subject: Is it possible we'll see a revised Space Marine codex?
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Pestilent Plague Marine with Blight Grenade
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Billagio wrote:Jesus, Marine players can be spoiled sometimes. Not all the races even have a codex and you have 1 mediocre/crappy codex for 1 edition and are asking for a second one in the same edition...
In a time when we would wait 6 months in between codex releases, absolutely you wouldn't expect a revised codex. But there have been 17 codex releases since Space Marines, and you can tell the early 8th Ed Index mindset is present in the first 5 codex releases (e.g. traits only applying to infantry whereas other codex traits are faction wide)
I wouldn't be surprised to see a new SM release by the end of the year and am actually expecting it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/06/27 03:10:03
Subject: Is it possible we'll see a revised Space Marine codex?
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Towering Hierophant Bio-Titan
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Billagio wrote: BaconCatBug wrote: Billagio wrote:Jesus, Marine players can be spoiled sometimes. Not all the races even have a codex and you have 1 mediocre/crappy codex for 1 edition and are asking for a second one in the same edition... Lol. First of all, Marines have had 3 mediocre codexes ( SM, Grey Knights and CSM) and the only "race" that doesn't have a codex yet is Orks.
The fact is that the SM codex was, either though malice or incompetence, intentionally made bad so as to not cause index player backlash. Once all the other codexes are released, it's only fair for Marines to be updated to be on par with the rest of the codexes.
Right, so what youre saying is that all the races (or armies, whatever) havnt gotten a codex yet and SM players are already clamoring for a new one. Plenty of other races (im thinking orks here) have had terrible codexes (6th edition anyone when we were first??) and we wernt begging GW to give us a new codex before the new edition. Id argue the current SM codex is miles better than many other races codexs have been over the years
Staple for SM players is complaining if they don't get special treatment and being ungracious when they do. Ultramarines are taking top tables. Raven Guard is one of the best chapter tactics available to any army. Iron Hands is Leviathan that doesn't require a Synapse peg. Let's wait for armies to get dexes please, if anyone deserves to jump the queue it's GK, but honestly they are fixable in Chapter Approved. So let's hold our horses and remember that SM isn't the only army in the game.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/06/27 03:23:35
Subject: Is it possible we'll see a revised Space Marine codex?
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SHUPPET wrote:Billagio wrote: BaconCatBug wrote: Billagio wrote:Jesus, Marine players can be spoiled sometimes. Not all the races even have a codex and you have 1 mediocre/crappy codex for 1 edition and are asking for a second one in the same edition... Lol. First of all, Marines have had 3 mediocre codexes ( SM, Grey Knights and CSM) and the only "race" that doesn't have a codex yet is Orks. The fact is that the SM codex was, either though malice or incompetence, intentionally made bad so as to not cause index player backlash. Once all the other codexes are released, it's only fair for Marines to be updated to be on par with the rest of the codexes. Right, so what youre saying is that all the races (or armies, whatever) havnt gotten a codex yet and SM players are already clamoring for a new one. Plenty of other races (im thinking orks here) have had terrible codexes (6th edition anyone when we were first??) and we wernt begging GW to give us a new codex before the new edition. Id argue the current SM codex is miles better than many other races codexs have been over the years
Staple for SM players is complaining if they don't get special treatment and being ungracious when they do. Ultramarines are taking top tables. Raven Guard is one of the best chapter tactics available to any army. Iron Hands is Leviathan that doesn't require a Synapse peg. Let's wait for armies to get dexes please, if anyone deserves to jump the queue it's GK, but honestly they are fixable in Chapter Approved. So let's hold our horses and remember that SM isn't the only army in the game. Thats what im saying, thank you.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/06/27 03:35:30
Subject: Is it possible we'll see a revised Space Marine codex?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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They aren't the only army, but they are about half the armies, with SM, C:SM, GK, BA, DA, SoB, DG, TS, and SW all suffering from the issues with the marine statline and overpriced vehicles and weapons in one way or another.
SoB are held up by cheaper "Marines," acts of faith, and forge world transports that are actually useful, the chaos versions of Marines have other stuff that isn't terrible like daemons, BA just have the smash captain, and the only other units worth anything are scouts, scout bikers, and devastators (because of one strategem).
DW are the only half decent marine book, and that's only because they have storm bolters and special ammo out the wazoo.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/06/27 03:42:28
Subject: Is it possible we'll see a revised Space Marine codex?
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DG, TS are far from needing a new codex, SW havnt gotten their codex yet and I dont know much about the others but yes, my understanding is that most are on the weaker side. This thread is only talking about replacing the SM codex, right? Still, having a weak codex is nothing new for many armies in the game in previous editions, I dont see why SM should get special treatment and get 2 codexs this edition. They arnt the first army to suffer from codex creep and they wont be the last either.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/06/27 03:46:54
Subject: Is it possible we'll see a revised Space Marine codex?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Yeah that's fair. I think most of the fixes could be done in CA.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/06/27 03:51:09
Subject: Is it possible we'll see a revised Space Marine codex?
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Towering Hierophant Bio-Titan
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SW has a dex on the way. BA is one of the bigger threats in the meta. SoB is everywhere. Same with CSM. Did you really put Thousand Sons and DG up there as examples of armies that need buffs before we even finish giving all armies codexes?
There's literally armies without dexes. Almost every dex has imbalances, theres a laundry list of units in my Nid and Tay book that's just pointless, are you including them? let's just never give the other armies a dex until we've achieved perfect internal balance in the other dexes? Nah you just want it for SM right? Seriously it's time we just quit the whining, wait your turn, there is very competitive armies in almost all those books you mention. SM never takes long to get a new codex once it's that season, and you know this isn't going to make GW skip other races, so I don't get the point of some of these posts. Nobodys saying SM codex needs to stay this way forever.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/06/27 03:54:05
Subject: Is it possible we'll see a revised Space Marine codex?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Billagio wrote:DG, TS are far from needing a new codex, SW havnt gotten their codex yet and I dont know much about the others but yes, my understanding is that most are on the weaker side. This thread is only talking about replacing the SM codex, right?
Still, having a weak codex is nothing new for many armies in the game in previous editions, I dont see why SM should get special treatment and get 2 codexs this edition. They arnt the first army to suffer from codex creep and they wont be the last either.
Honestly the two Legions AND the Vanilla CSM codex need serious overhauls. I don't think anyone is saying they don't even though they're written better. It ain't by much though.
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CaptainStabby wrote:If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.
jy2 wrote:BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.
vipoid wrote:Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/06/27 03:55:09
Subject: Is it possible we'll see a revised Space Marine codex?
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SHUPPET wrote:SW has a dex on the way. BA is one of the bigger threats in the meta. SoB is everywhere. Same with CSM. Did you really put Thousand Sons and DG up there as examples of armies that need buffs before we even finish giving all armies codexes?
There's literally armies without dexes. Almost every dex has imbalances, theres a laundry list of units in my Nid and Tay book that's just pointless, are you including them? let's just never give the other armies a dex until we've achieved perfect internal balance in the other dexes? Nah you just want it for SM right? Seriously it's time we just quit the whining, wait your turn, there is very competitive armies in almost all those books you mention. SM never takes long to get a new codex once it's that season, and you know this isn't going to make GW skip other races, so I don't get the point of some of these posts. Nobodys saying SM codex needs to stay this way forever.
BA are not a meta threat. You are fething crazy.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/06/27 03:56:51
Subject: Is it possible we'll see a revised Space Marine codex?
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Slayer-Fan123 wrote: Billagio wrote:DG, TS are far from needing a new codex, SW havnt gotten their codex yet and I dont know much about the others but yes, my understanding is that most are on the weaker side. This thread is only talking about replacing the SM codex, right?
Still, having a weak codex is nothing new for many armies in the game in previous editions, I dont see why SM should get special treatment and get 2 codexs this edition. They arnt the first army to suffer from codex creep and they wont be the last either.
Honestly the two Legions AND the Vanilla CSM codex need serious overhauls. I don't think anyone is saying they don't even though they're written better. It ain't by much though.
That's fine but they aren't going to do it all at once. In order of priority for the second wave of dexes I think SM first to set a new baseline for Marines though and then follow it up with GK who need that fix the most
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/06/27 03:58:17
Subject: Is it possible we'll see a revised Space Marine codex?
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SHUPPET wrote:Slayer-Fan123 wrote: Billagio wrote:DG, TS are far from needing a new codex, SW havnt gotten their codex yet and I dont know much about the others but yes, my understanding is that most are on the weaker side. This thread is only talking about replacing the SM codex, right? Still, having a weak codex is nothing new for many armies in the game in previous editions, I dont see why SM should get special treatment and get 2 codexs this edition. They arnt the first army to suffer from codex creep and they wont be the last either.
Honestly the two Legions AND the Vanilla CSM codex need serious overhauls. I don't think anyone is saying they don't even though they're written better. It ain't by much though. That's fine but they aren't going to do it all at once. In order of priority for the second wave of dexes I think SM first to set a new baseline for Marines though and then follow it up with GK who need that fix the most If they do that though then all the Marine players will be demanding a third codex halfway through the cycle because of codex creep again
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/06/27 04:00:55
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Steadfast Ultramarine Sergeant
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Billagio wrote: SHUPPET wrote:Slayer-Fan123 wrote: Billagio wrote:DG, TS are far from needing a new codex, SW havnt gotten their codex yet and I dont know much about the others but yes, my understanding is that most are on the weaker side. This thread is only talking about replacing the SM codex, right?
Still, having a weak codex is nothing new for many armies in the game in previous editions, I dont see why SM should get special treatment and get 2 codexs this edition. They arnt the first army to suffer from codex creep and they wont be the last either.
Honestly the two Legions AND the Vanilla CSM codex need serious overhauls. I don't think anyone is saying they don't even though they're written better. It ain't by much though.
That's fine but they aren't going to do it all at once. In order of priority for the second wave of dexes I think SM first to set a new baseline for Marines though and then follow it up with GK who need that fix the most
If they do that though then all the Marine players will be demanding a third codex halfway through the cycle because of codex creep again
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/06/27 04:01:31
Subject: Is it possible we'll see a revised Space Marine codex?
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Martel732 wrote: SHUPPET wrote:SW has a dex on the way. BA is one of the bigger threats in the meta. SoB is everywhere. Same with CSM. Did you really put Thousand Sons and DG up there as examples of armies that need buffs before we even finish giving all armies codexes?
There's literally armies without dexes. Almost every dex has imbalances, theres a laundry list of units in my Nid and Tay book that's just pointless, are you including them? let's just never give the other armies a dex until we've achieved perfect internal balance in the other dexes? Nah you just want it for SM right? Seriously it's time we just quit the whining, wait your turn, there is very competitive armies in almost all those books you mention. SM never takes long to get a new codex once it's that season, and you know this isn't going to make GW skip other races, so I don't get the point of some of these posts. Nobodys saying SM codex needs to stay this way forever.
BA are not a meta threat. You are fething crazy.
Two possibilities, first being that Me, Geoff Robinson, and every other top player saying the same thing are all crazy, or you (the guy who also said Gladius wasn't a meta threat, among other outlandish SM downplay) are just bad. Hmm. Wonder which one is the case.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/06/27 04:04:12
Subject: Is it possible we'll see a revised Space Marine codex?
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Locked in the Tower of Amareo
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SHUPPET wrote:Martel732 wrote: SHUPPET wrote:SW has a dex on the way. BA is one of the bigger threats in the meta. SoB is everywhere. Same with CSM. Did you really put Thousand Sons and DG up there as examples of armies that need buffs before we even finish giving all armies codexes?
There's literally armies without dexes. Almost every dex has imbalances, theres a laundry list of units in my Nid and Tay book that's just pointless, are you including them? let's just never give the other armies a dex until we've achieved perfect internal balance in the other dexes? Nah you just want it for SM right? Seriously it's time we just quit the whining, wait your turn, there is very competitive armies in almost all those books you mention. SM never takes long to get a new codex once it's that season, and you know this isn't going to make GW skip other races, so I don't get the point of some of these posts. Nobodys saying SM codex needs to stay this way forever.
BA are not a meta threat. You are fething crazy.
Two possibilities, first being that Me, Geoff Robinson, and every other top player saying the same thing are all crazy, or you (the guy who also said Gladius wasn't a meta threat, among other outlandish SM downplay) are just bad. Hmm. Wonder which one is the case.
BA capt and scouts show up in lists. That's all. You guys are gonna get them nerfed while you are at it, too. Making the codex completely useless.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/06/27 04:24:02
Subject: Re:Is it possible we'll see a revised Space Marine codex?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Right now honestly I think I would rather 8.5 edition or 9th edition or whatever GW want to call it but take what they have started with 8th and just make it feel less like a beta version.
Gk and Spacemarines are not in a good place but switch out to a secondary army or even a 3rd or 4th army and a particular codex being bad only effects you by requiring you to give you opponents with that codex some form of handicap.
Right now the lack luster terrain rules and very swingy malstorm of war or the tabling to win BRB missions effect my enjoyment much more than just shelving my marines for 8th edition.
ITC does have some good rules and some mission scoring idea's which help 8th edition feel vaguely deeper on the table top. But the core game should provide this not a bucket load of house rules.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/06/27 04:59:00
Subject: Is it possible we'll see a revised Space Marine codex?
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Scarred Ultramarine Tyrannic War Veteran
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I don’t see SM getting a new codex this edition nor do I think they deserve one. Hopefully though they might get some new Primaris units including a cheaper transport. They aren’t top tier so just learn how to deal with it.
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Bow down to Guilliman for he is our new God Emperor!
Martel - "Custodes are terrible in 8th. Good luck with them. They take all the problems of marines and multiply them."
"Lol, classic martel. 'I know it was strong enough to podium in the biggest tournament in the world but I refuse to acknowledge space marines are good because I can't win with them and it can't possibly be ME'."
DakkaDakka is really the place where you need anti-tank guns to kill basic dudes, because anything less isn't durable enough. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/06/27 08:30:51
Subject: Is it possible we'll see a revised Space Marine codex?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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This isnt really about taking top tables, even then i doubt any pure marine list is.
Its more about the fact codexes like Eldar, dark Eldar, Harlequins, Nids, Tau can all churn multiple lists out that are pure, competitive and thematic. Multiple lists, taking a variety of units and don't necessarily rely on CT to be good.
Also its not really about coming before all of the other codexes are finished (bar sisters, as with the model range etc you could be looking at a long wait for that). Im talking about when all books are out, taking a look at how the game and factions play and recognizing the already apparent fact that the marine book/books are on a completely different level right now and that as the first few codexes of the new edition its not the end of the world to release a revised edition of these codexes to bring them on par.
Not a second wave, most armies don't need it.
Its good to hear this has happened in sigmar, was this because of significant flaws with how stormcast played? or more to account for new models?
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