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Hi ive been playing and collecting necrons for a while now and i want to start a new army.
Necrons seem to have no real good close combat in my opinion so for my next army i want to choose one with lots of good combat options.
So any help or advise on what armies are on top of the cc game right now will help me decide on my new army as i want an opposite of necrons. Thanks

(Doesnt have to be pure combat as i know i still need a balanced list with shooting etc. I just want some punch)

WAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHH !!!!!!!

Here are a few of the most competitive close combat armies at the moment. Could build around one of them and add in other units you like?

200 ork boyz / stormboyz (as mentioned above, WAAAAGH!)

20 custodes Jetbikes

A bunch of imperial knight gallants

BA smash captains allied to something, e.g. catachans

Loads of genestealers with a few flyrants.

3 huge units of Khorne berserkers in rhinos or infiltrating with the alpha legion strat (could be supported by renegade knights, daemon primarchs, and/or a bunch of daemon princes)

100+ plaguebearers, maybe with a bloodletter bomb or two thrown in

Dark eldar Talos swarm or Wyches in raiders

Plenty of viable CC options in 8th these days.

Not sure an army of Gallants is a very viable army. They're good, but they can't contest objectives or control much of the battlefield. You want to run them in random with something else.

i'm working on a "We Don't Need No Shooting Phase" Tyranid list. Hive Fleet Kraken, Broodlords, and a bunch of Genestealers. A few Warriors to contest objectives.

Move 8", Advance (3d6 pick the highest) x2, and can still Charge.

I'll burn all my CPs during my Turn 1 Movement Phase, but Oh Well. I'll have Smite Spam from my Broodlords, and at least half my Genestealers should get into the Fight Phase on Turn 1.

Tyranids have probably the best CC lists with shooting support.

phydaux wrote:
i'm working on a "We Don't Need No Shooting Phase" Tyranid list. Hive Fleet Kraken, Broodlords, and a bunch of Genestealers. A few Warriors to contest objectives.

Move 8", Advance (3d6 pick the highest) x2, and can still Charge.

I'll burn all my CPs during my Turn 1 Movement Phase, but Oh Well. I'll have Smite Spam from my Broodlords, and at least half my Genestealers should get into the Fight Phase on Turn 1.

Ooh, this interests me. I'm thinking of getting into Tyranids and focus on cc, as a change from a shooty army in power armour!

Do you think Carnifexes are viable in this kind of list? With spore cysts and possibly supported by Old One Eye?

Also, Trygons worth it?

You can't go wrong with psycho killer clowns.... and fun to paint and model as well!

Stux wrote:

phydaux wrote:
i'm working on a "We Don't Need No Shooting Phase" Tyranid list. Hive Fleet Kraken, Broodlords, and a bunch of Genestealers. A few Warriors to contest objectives.

Move 8", Advance (3d6 pick the highest) x2, and can still Charge.

I'll burn all my CPs during my Turn 1 Movement Phase, but Oh Well. I'll have Smite Spam from my Broodlords, and at least half my Genestealers should get into the Fight Phase on Turn 1.

Ooh, this interests me. I'm thinking of getting into Tyranids and focus on cc, as a change from a shooty army in power armour!

Do you think Carnifexes are viable in this kind of list? With spore cysts and possibly supported by Old One Eye?

Also, Trygons worth it?

I'm actually the wrong guy to ask. The list I'm making is a theme list - No TMCs at all, and no shooting. Just "Milk Every Last Special Rule To Make Them As Fast As Possible" Genestealers & Broodlords, and a few Warriors to claim objectives.

I think most long-time 'Nid players would tell me I'm doing it wrong, but Oh Well. I'm just doing it to have something to do until plastic Sisters drop.


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barnacle111 wrote:
You can't go wrong with psycho killer clowns.... and fun to paint and model as well!

I think I'm missing that joke. Do you mean Khorne Berserkers?

Harlequins I'd say.

phydaux wrote:

Stux wrote:

phydaux wrote:
i'm working on a "We Don't Need No Shooting Phase" Tyranid list. Hive Fleet Kraken, Broodlords, and a bunch of Genestealers. A few Warriors to contest objectives.

Move 8", Advance (3d6 pick the highest) x2, and can still Charge.

I'll burn all my CPs during my Turn 1 Movement Phase, but Oh Well. I'll have Smite Spam from my Broodlords, and at least half my Genestealers should get into the Fight Phase on Turn 1.

Ooh, this interests me. I'm thinking of getting into Tyranids and focus on cc, as a change from a shooty army in power armour!

Do you think Carnifexes are viable in this kind of list? With spore cysts and possibly supported by Old One Eye?

Also, Trygons worth it?

I'm actually the wrong guy to ask. The list I'm making is a theme list - No TMCs at all, and no shooting. Just "Milk Every Last Special Rule To Make Them As Fast As Possible" Genestealers & Broodlords, and a few Warriors to claim objectives.

I think most long-time 'Nid players would tell me I'm doing it wrong, but Oh Well. I'm just doing it to have something to do until plastic Sisters drop.

Ah fair enough!

I think I am looking for something quite similar to you though. I love the fantasy of the melee alien bug army, basically the Starship Troopers or Alien type thing. Spitting attacks and stuff like that I would be fine with, but once it gets to actually guns, even biological ones, I'm much less keen.

I do like Carnifexes though...

phydaux wrote:

Stux wrote:

phydaux wrote:
i'm working on a "We Don't Need No Shooting Phase" Tyranid list. Hive Fleet Kraken, Broodlords, and a bunch of Genestealers. A few Warriors to contest objectives.

Move 8", Advance (3d6 pick the highest) x2, and can still Charge.

I'll burn all my CPs during my Turn 1 Movement Phase, but Oh Well. I'll have Smite Spam from my Broodlords, and at least half my Genestealers should get into the Fight Phase on Turn 1.

Ooh, this interests me. I'm thinking of getting into Tyranids and focus on cc, as a change from a shooty army in power armour!

Do you think Carnifexes are viable in this kind of list? With spore cysts and possibly supported by Old One Eye?

Also, Trygons worth it?

I'm actually the wrong guy to ask. The list I'm making is a theme list - No TMCs at all, and no shooting. Just "Milk Every Last Special Rule To Make Them As Fast As Possible" Genestealers & Broodlords, and a few Warriors to claim objectives.

I think most long-time 'Nid players would tell me I'm doing it wrong, but Oh Well. I'm just doing it to have something to do until plastic Sisters drop.

No, a “Stealershock” list was pretty popular back in the day, and it wouldn’t be too bad now.
@Stux
Although Trygons aren’t usually rated too high competively, they’d be great bringing in a full squad of Genestealers. Not too many people using melee Carnifexes, but with Old One Eye in support they’d be a good distraction unit. There aren’t really too many things a Carnifex could damage that Genestealers couldn’t shred as well, although they’d look great on the field.

Nice, thanks

I'm not looking to build a competitive list as such, I just don't want it to be an auto loss in every casual pickup game!

Stux wrote:
Nice, thanks

I'm not looking to build a competitive list as such, I just don't want it to be an auto loss in every casual pickup game!

You’d be fine with a CC Tyranid list then, and have plenty of options.

" I love the fantasy of the melee alien bug army, basically the Starship Troopers or Alien type thing."

'Naids can TOTALLY do that. If you're not going to do 'Stealershock then you can do a few units of Genestealers screened by big units of smaller bugs, Hormigaunts & Termigaunts. Termigaunts do this even better because they're cheaper and they can shoot (poorly).

The idea is you advance Turn 1, and you just TAKE your opponents Alpha Strike on the bodies of your Gaunts. Then Turn 2 you Deep Strike large units of Gargoyles on your opponents flanks (who can ALSO shoot poorly) and your 'Gaunts that are left charge. Turn 3 the Genestealers, Broodlords, and Gargoyles all charge.

You can do 9 Carafexes and 2 Hive Tyrants in a spear head detachment.

If you want to automatically lose, sure.

Lots of different styles of assault armies.

Horde lists like Orks, Daemons, or most Tyranids. Also borderline stuff like Catachans who aren't assault first but can pack a punch when buffed up.

Elite but tough lists like Custodes and Knights.

Elite but fast lists like Harlequins/Eldar and Blood Angels.

Depressing lists like Black Templars.

I'd say the top assault armies right now would be Custodes and Eldar soup (with Harlequin stock) and that Catachan list if you count it. Orks, Tyranids, Knights, and BA aren't far behind though. Orks being this good without a codex is a good sign for Orks once their codex arrives, too.

 BaconCatBug wrote:
If you want to automatically lose, sure.

I’d say that’s debatable, especially since we’re talking about a casual environment.

Custodes are the best but need an ally for fire support.

phydaux wrote:
i'm working on a "We Don't Need No Shooting Phase" Tyranid list. Hive Fleet Kraken, Broodlords, and a bunch of Genestealers. A few Warriors to contest objectives.

Move 8", Advance (3d6 pick the highest) x2, and can still Charge.

I'll burn all my CPs during my Turn 1 Movement Phase, but Oh Well. I'll have Smite Spam from my Broodlords, and at least half my Genestealers should get into the Fight Phase on Turn 1.

Did a little noodleing around with Battle Scribe. My Stealer-Gasm army has two Battalions, 10 CPs, with four Broodlords and NINTY-SIX Genestealers in it. Six units of 16 each. At lease half of which will be in assault on turn one. Plus Warriors.

96 sounds like a lot, but they are only 5+ save.

Somebody really like stealers.

World Eaters, best doesn't matter, all that matters is getting Kharn and your bezerkers in CC and counting the skulls you reap.

Custodes will Krump em proper.

 Primark G wrote:
Custodes will Krump em proper.

I collect custodes, they are not the best CC army, they have some of the strongest units, but they cost so much so I wouldn't say they are the best, up there though.

Da orks is made fer foitin' and winnin'.

But in all seriousness, we're getting a new codex soon, we have the coolest look, and are by far the most customizable army in the game. You can really make an ork warband your own, personal batch of boyz.

phydaux wrote:

phydaux wrote:
i'm working on a "We Don't Need No Shooting Phase" Tyranid list. Hive Fleet Kraken, Broodlords, and a bunch of Genestealers. A few Warriors to contest objectives.

Move 8", Advance (3d6 pick the highest) x2, and can still Charge.

I'll burn all my CPs during my Turn 1 Movement Phase, but Oh Well. I'll have Smite Spam from my Broodlords, and at least half my Genestealers should get into the Fight Phase on Turn 1.

Did a little noodleing around with Battle Scribe. My Stealer-Gasm army has two Battalions, 10 CPs, with four Broodlords and NINTY-SIX Genestealers in it. Six units of 16 each. At lease half of which will be in assault on turn one. Plus Warriors.

What do you do against flyers?

 Vitali Advenil wrote:
Da orks is made fer foitin' and winnin'.

But in all seriousness, we're getting a new codex soon, we have the coolest look, and are by far the most customizable army in the game. You can really make an ork warband your own, personal batch of boyz.

I really hope they sort out our rules though. Warbikers have probably the most inflated pricing ever, something has to be done about kans as well.

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

 Vitali Advenil wrote:
Da orks is made fer foitin' and winnin'.

But in all seriousness, we're getting a new codex soon, we have the coolest look, and are by far the most customizable army in the game. You can really make an ork warband your own, personal batch of boyz.

I really hope they sort out our rules though. Warbikers have probably the most inflated pricing ever, something has to be done about kans as well.

That's why I added the "we have a codex" comment. Sounds much better than a, "we're the weakest army in the game" comment.