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They’ve already made a female Catachan model and it was fine, not a charicature.

Considering that some people do go out and buy female heads to supplement their guardsmen (myself included), I think there's definitely a market for GW to do it.

Wow, page two and only three or four posts dipping into political ideals that no one wants to read or hear on a message board for tiny plastic soldiers.

I doubt the inclusion of female soldiers in SOME regiments (penal legions) but I think its a sensible option to add to the base box. I dont think a seperate upgrade pack would warrant the cost in plastic.

Table wrote:
Wow, page two and only three or four posts dipping into political ideals that no one wants to read or hear on a message board for tiny plastic soldiers.

I doubt the inclusion of female soldiers in SOME regiments (penal legions) but I think its a sensible option to add to the base box. I dont think a seperate upgrade pack would warrant the cost in plastic.

You're kind of politicising it by calling it political :p

But yeah, I agree with that suggestion. Guard could do with new infantry models anyway, and it really is just a few new heads that's needed. Catachan's probably torsos too, but it's really not necessary for the other regiments.

Keep it subtle and realistic I say!

Some Necromunda gang kits are mixed gender, so when they (hopefully soon) upgrade the guard infantry plastics, they could do the same.

The Van Saar box has a couple of subtle female torsos. Of course, they wear body gloves defined to the shape of their bodies, which flak armour doesn't do. It's probably not much worth defining the differences if they wear helmets and for just faces it's going to depend how easily they can define them

I think the closest think to dedicated female Guards(wo)men would be clampack releases for generic characters. For example, a plastic Primaris Psyker who so happened to be a woman, etc.

Karol wrote:
Wouldn't the models be been kind of a sexist. The old catachans look like what like avarge people that rule on a beach look like as far as men go. For female catachans they would have to go all out roid monster, or something like that.

There is a third party that makes a squad of female catachans including a couple that are wearing nothing under an open vest - just like the male models from GW...

Is that sexist?


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 Arbitrator wrote:

I think the closest think to dedicated female Guards(wo)men would be clampack releases for generic characters. For example, a plastic Primaris Psyker who so happened to be a woman, etc.

That is a good idea. A female enginseer would be good as well (and good to have an alternate one in a different pose regardless).

That'd be a way for GW to test the water and they don't interfere with any regimental fluff so could be used with any regiment.

I don't think there's any reason to produce a box of solely female Guardsmen, as it's likely they'd sell far less than a normal boxed squad. It wouldn't be some huge-seller for GW, but just another SKU to store.

GW will be redoing IG at some point, and they'll probably just throw in a few female heads into the new sprues. That's the smartest and safest way to appease the people who desperately want female guardsmen.

Well it's established fluff they don't have mixed regiments for obvious reasons, months on a transport with limited entertainment...

hobojebus wrote:
Well it's established fluff they don't have mixed regiments for obvious reasons, months on a transport with limited entertainment...

Except that they do one fo the most celebrated Valhalan regiements is mixed.

They should make female models - perfect time - we are currently stuck with pretty awful ones in the Cadians and time for some new models.

I didn't see the Daughters of Khaine, female Stormcast or Deepkin being shunned cos "Women". Necromunda gangs have mixed units.

They should jsut get on with it

I doubt the inclusion of female soldiers in SOME regiments (penal legions) but I think its a sensible option to add to the base box.

Thats bizare - some of the earliest female Guard characters and minis are Last Chancers!

I played Dark Eldar, once upon a time, and I liked that there were men and women models on the sprues.

I'd love to see a few men and women models on a Cadian sprue. It has been noted that modern PPE doesn't really accentuate the female form, but then you've got sisters in boob-plate... so you could have boob-flak too, I suppose.

I'd be happy with a subtle change, like a couple feminine faces inside the helmets, and maybe a helmetless sergeant model with a woman's head as an option to the man's head with the headset.

hobojebus wrote:
Well it's established fluff they don't have mixed regiments for obvious reasons, months on a transport with limited entertainment...

Actually it's well established that MOST regiments are not mixed.

They do exist it's just that all-female regiments are more common.

hobojebus wrote:
Well it's established fluff they don't have mixed regiments for obvious reasons, months on a transport with limited entertainment...

Literally the opposite is true, Yes, most regiments are male only, but there are female only regiments and mixed regiments as well. Ciaphas Cain, HERO OF THE IMPERIUM, is attached to a mixed regiment formed by amalgamating two decimated regiments, one all male, one all female.

 greatbigtree wrote:
I played Dark Eldar, once upon a time, and I liked that there were men and women models on the sprues.

I'd love to see a few men and women models on a Cadian sprue. It has been noted that modern PPE doesn't really accentuate the female form, but then you've got sisters in boob-plate... so you could have boob-flak too, I suppose.

I'd be happy with a subtle change, like a couple feminine faces inside the helmets, and maybe a helmetless sergeant model with a woman's head as an option to the man's head with the headset.

I agree that for the regiments with armor, heavy clothes and/or web gear I'd rather see something pretty subtle like what you're describing. Heck, while I want there to be female gaurdsmen for regiments like the Armageddon Steel Legion or the DKoK I don't think they should attempt gendered models because they would all look the same at 28mm.

If they came out with a new Mordian/Praetorian box then I could see there being different torsos, but it would probably still be hard to tell unless one looked closely.

I really hope they don't do boob flakk. I don't get enraged by boob plate. It's stupid, but the whole game is pretty silly. On the female Stormcasts it fits with the muscle armor aesthetic. On Sisters of Battle it sort of makes sense for ceremonial purposes. On most Imperial Guard though I don't think they should do it. It would be nice if most of the female soldiers in 40k weren't running around in high heels with metal boobs.

This is another reason why I think GW can't win in this situation. If they over-emphasize the female form, they're sexist, blah blah blah. If they don't accentuate the female form they're not trying hard enough or the group who wants accentuated female features will be disappointed/whining, etc.

The aftermarket selection of excellent female heads also makes it less important for GW to produce defined female guard models. Wearing common flak gear, a female model is a simple head-swap away. I've done it for my Eldar without any fuss. Whatever route GW goes, the same small vocal minority will be upset (one side or the other).

I think Victoria Miniatures have perfect examples of how to sculpt guardswomen who are still recognisably female without over-emphasising the feminine attributes. So it can be done.

So i'm kind of hearing a mix of both. Some people say a clam pack of heads (and I agree in retrospect torsos arent needed) isnt enough, but from a cost perspective it would probably be FAR easier to just release a smaller batch of heads on a single sprue, like the upgrade kits but just heads. You could easily get 10 or even 20 heads in it. Only issue is, they'd have to find a way to make it cost productive, so it might be far too expensive to release on its own.

 Lance845 wrote:
It wouldnt. Because buying a exlsive clam pack for cosmetics that dont even distiguish youe army as being a part of a different sub faction is unlikely to be worth its high cost.

They need to just add some female torsos and heads into a uodated box of the basic kit.

This. IG badly need a re-release of the basic infantry kits, they are extremely dated, limited and compared to almost all infantry kits GW released in the last 10 years the models look extremely derpy (not to mention that the kit only has like 5 unique heads, so you'll end up with a ton of clones no matter how many heads from different kits you are desperately adding) with god awful body proportions even by 40k standards.

Throwing in 2-3 extra female heads is easy, just like with the Tau Fire Warrior kit (and also welcome, you can't have too much variety especially for the sargeants). Throw in two or three extra torsos as well for the Catachan kit, with the regular Catachan jacket and all ripped and wearing a military sport bra or the white shirt they have been using so far:

 vaklor4 wrote:
So i'm kind of hearing a mix of both. Some people say a clam pack of heads (and I agree in retrospect torsos arent needed) isnt enough, but from a cost perspective it would probably be FAR easier to just release a smaller batch of heads on a single sprue, like the upgrade kits but just heads. You could easily get 10 or even 20 heads in it. Only issue is, they'd have to find a way to make it cost productive, so it might be far too expensive to release on its own.

One way might be to just introduce a new regiment, whose armor would allow for better defined armor and make that the "Standard guard kit" as others have said we're about due a new guard kit and well.. Cadia's gone. It could be as simple as a rtegiment that wears kilts/skirts. thus allowing some defined leg, one way or another to be shown.

Releasing sprues seems very niche.

You need Guard Players.
Guard Players who are going to get more infantry.
Guard Players who need more infantry and are willing to pay more for female heads/torsos.

New regiment gets my vote - although I fear that means it won't happen any time soon.

From the title I genuinely thought this would be a question around equal pay for all Guardspeople who serve the Astra Militarum

To answer the question I don't think it would sell incredibly well because it's a niche within a niche. You've first got to be an Imperial Guard player then want female models. It also somewhat competes with SOB.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

hobojebus wrote:
Well it's established fluff they don't have mixed regiments for obvious reasons, months on a transport with limited entertainment...

Literally the opposite is true, Yes, most regiments are male only, but there are female only regiments and mixed regiments as well. Ciaphas Cain, HERO OF THE IMPERIUM, is attached to a mixed regiment formed by amalgamating two decimated regiments, one all male, one all female.

Look blackadder in space was amusing enough but I've never considered it canon manly because the books themselves specifically say he's an unreliable narrator

And that's not actually an argument it's a fallacy.

 Elbows wrote:
This is another reason why I think GW can't win in this situation. If they over-emphasize the female form, they're sexist, blah blah blah. If they don't accentuate the female form they're not trying hard enough or the group who wants accentuated female features will be disappointed/whining, etc.

The aftermarket selection of excellent female heads also makes it less important for GW to produce defined female guard models. Wearing common flak gear, a female model is a simple head-swap away. I've done it for my Eldar without any fuss. Whatever route GW goes, the same small vocal minority will be upset (one side or the other).

I wonder why that literally hasn't happened to any other miniature producer, even the ones like Prodos, That ultra Expensive Pin Up board game that Jonwhang loves or that russian guy that makes naked slave girls.
Or all the other producers doing normal female miniatures (Even GW, like Daugthers of Khaine and all the Dark Eldar female models, for example).

 Ragnar Blackmane wrote:

 Lance845 wrote:
It wouldnt. Because buying a exlsive clam pack for cosmetics that dont even distiguish youe army as being a part of a different sub faction is unlikely to be worth its high cost.

They need to just add some female torsos and heads into a uodated box of the basic kit.

This. IG badly need a re-release of the basic infantry kits, they are extremely dated, limited and compared to almost all infantry kits GW released in the last 10 years the models look extremely derpy (not to mention that the kit only has like 5 unique heads, so you'll end up with a ton of clones no matter how many heads from different kits you are desperately adding) with god awful body proportions even by 40k standards.

Throwing in 2-3 extra female heads is easy, just like with the Tau Fire Warrior kit (and also welcome, you can't have too much variety especially for the sargeants). Throw in two or three extra torsos as well for the Catachan kit, with the regular Catachan jacket and all ripped and wearing a military sport bra or the white shirt they have been using so far:

Man, did those people that do art ever have anything heavy in their hands? if the flamer was the size it is on the art, the guardsman would have to be as bulky as a space marine or ogryn to life it. The casing alone on that darn thing probablly weights around 20kg, and there iss till the carnister with gel or jet fuel.

Karol, the flamer is made of plastic, just look at one miniature to see it, it doesn't weight that much.

 Galas wrote:

 Elbows wrote:
This is another reason why I think GW can't win in this situation. If they over-emphasize the female form, they're sexist, blah blah blah. If they don't accentuate the female form they're not trying hard enough or the group who wants accentuated female features will be disappointed/whining, etc.

The aftermarket selection of excellent female heads also makes it less important for GW to produce defined female guard models. Wearing common flak gear, a female model is a simple head-swap away. I've done it for my Eldar without any fuss. Whatever route GW goes, the same small vocal minority will be upset (one side or the other).

I wonder why that literally hasn't happened to any other miniature producer, even the ones like Prodos, That ultra Expensive Pin Up board game that Jonwhang loves or that russian guy that makes naked slave girls.
Or all the other producers doing normal female miniatures (Even GW, like Daugthers of Khaine and all the Dark Eldar female models, for example).

I mean to be fair, we do laugh at that Russian mouthbreather and his obsessively detailed naked woman miniatures.

The existence and subsequent popularity of Daughters of Khaine is a strong point, though. Even I think that's a cool model line and I'm usually immediately dismissive of anything resembling an elf.

 Galas wrote:
Karol, the flamer is made of plastic, just look at one miniature to see it, it doesn't weight that much.

And It can't be made of plastic, it would melt while firing.

I mean to be fair, we do laugh at that Russian mouthbreather and his obsessively detailed naked woman miniatures.

This maybe a cultural thing. People here laugh a lot more about how GW makes every female look like a trans or a sports woman from DDR, specially as face goes. And no one laughs at the over sexualised models other companies make.

GW has always strugle , historically, to sculpt good female faces, yeah.




Yeah, but one thing is to laught at him, and other to boycott him or make all this online outrage people is suggesting here that it happens with female models. The "No-win scenario" is just made up. As ton of examples show.

Karol wrote:

 Galas wrote:
Karol, the flamer is made of plastic, just look at one miniature to see it, it doesn't weight that much.

And It can't be made of plastic, it would melt while firing.

Actually, no. The fuel isn't burning until just after the nozzle - the flame only touches the working parts as it's turned off (which is why they're always covered in soot). The body is actually being cooled by the pressurized fuel expanding.

Look at real flamethrower lances - they were mostly metal with cast metal grips attached. If that was getting hot then the grips were getting hot as well.

They did bother to put female images in the most recent Guard codex - finally after being the fluff for ages.