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I want a list of current Space Marines (loyal and traitor) that have models with special Chapter/legion rules. Not counting Characters
So far, this is what I can come up with:

Loyalist:
Ultra Marines
White Scars
Salamanders
Iron Hands
Raven Guard
Imperial fists & [update] Crimson Fists
Black Templars

Blood Angels
Space Wolves
Dark Angels
Grey Knights
Death Watch

Chaos:
Black Legion
Alpha Legion
Word Bearers
Iron Warriors
Night Lords
World Eaters
Emperor's Children
Thousands Sons
Death Guard
[update] Renegades

Am I missing any?

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Crimson fists, who share chap tactics with the Imperial fists but have their own relic

N/M Someone got it before me...

BrianDavion wrote:
Crimson fists, who share chap tactics with the Imperial fists but have their own relic

I see. I knew they had a Character, as do the Flesh Tearers BA successor chapter.

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Don't the FW Chapters have rules too?

 Kanluwen wrote:
Don't the FW Chapters have rules too?

Nope.

Renegades is a Legion for chaos. They have a trait.

Raptors.
You get to paint your Marines camo.

Bharring wrote:
Raptors.
You get to paint your Marines camo.

They have a unique character but no specific rules otherwise.

I kinda/sorta agree with Chaos Renegades --- they have a "Legion" trait, but have no special spells, stratagems, warlord traits, relics, etc. They are actually excluded from one of the best stratagems you can get.

Renegades. right. I've added them to the list
They are warbands like Red Corsairs and Crimson Slaughter correct?

I'm also not sure I want to include FW Chapters. I more or less want a complete list of "mainstream" Marines, which included those Chapters/Legions that are popular enough (with GW) that they publish rules for them.

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Crimson Fist also have a warlord trait specific to them.

 Galef wrote:
Renegades. right. I've added them to the list
They are warbands like Red Corsairs and Crimson Slaughter correct?

Yes.

I'm also not sure I want to include FW Chapters. I more or less want a complete list of "mainstream" Marines, which included those Chapters/Legions that are popular enough (with GW) that they publish rules for them.

FW chapters unfortunately don't have rules. When I asked them around the time vanilla marine codex was released they said that they would provide such rules later, but that never happened.

 Galef wrote:
Renegades. right. I've added them to the list
They are warbands like Red Corsairs and Crimson Slaughter correct?

I'm also not sure I want to include FW Chapters. I more or less want a complete list of "mainstream" Marines, which included those Chapters/Legions that are popular enough (with GW) that they publish rules for them.

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Popularity isn't nesscarily a big indicator of why GW chooses those ones though.

Most of the armies with their own rules just so happen to be 1st founders

Interestingly both non-founder chapters with rules in the vanilla codex are IF successors.

 Crimson wrote:

 Galef wrote:
Renegades. right. I've added them to the list
They are warbands like Red Corsairs and Crimson Slaughter correct?

Yes.

I'm also not sure I want to include FW Chapters. I more or less want a complete list of "mainstream" Marines, which included those Chapters/Legions that are popular enough (with GW) that they publish rules for them.

FW chapters unfortunately don't have rules. When I asked them around the time vanilla marine codex was released they said that they would provide such rules later, but that never happened.

I've done the same thing with the Chaos ones, such as Skulltakers and the Tainted. They said there's something coming out soon about them. This was a month or so before CA which I assumed was going to have it, but nothing came of it either.

 Crimson wrote:
Interestingly both non-founder chapters with rules in the vanilla codex are IF successors.

I've always thought it intreasting that well the Ultramarines are the posterboys it's the IFs whose sucessors are the more detailed.

Blood Ravens!

You get to uh, pick one of Codex traits. Unless you take Gabriel Angelos, their only character, then you can't actually do that, and have to play trait/relic/chapter-less.

Have I mentioned I hate FW rule writers and their zero-effort job they did in 8th yet?

BrianDavion wrote:
I've always thought it intreasting that well the Ultramarines are the posterboys it's the IFs whose sucessors are the more detailed.

I always thought the whole 'posterdom' was just a lie fabricated by hatedom from 4chan. Remember 7th edition when literally every single chapter got special snowflake formations, relics, and other stuff except the Ultramarines and co? I always found it stupid vanilla chapters are supposed to be 65% of all SM but if you play as one of them you have worst rules of all SM, no relics, no characters, no nothing. Really, they should do the same thing CSM do and make 'codex' chapters be its own category, like Renegades, with 3 'generic' special characters/relics/traits with less restrictions these chapters can take...

BrianDavion wrote:

 Galef wrote:
Renegades. right. I've added them to the list
They are warbands like Red Corsairs and Crimson Slaughter correct?

I'm also not sure I want to include FW Chapters. I more or less want a complete list of "mainstream" Marines, which included those Chapters/Legions that are popular enough (with GW) that they publish rules for them.

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Popularity isn't nesscarily a big indicator of why GW chooses those ones though.

Most of the armies with their own rules just so happen to be 1st founders

By popularity, I meant what GW deems as the important Chapters, which just so happen to be mostly the 1st foundings + a couple 2nd foundings. It's mainly the Chapters the studio has enough painted to showcase in publications, box art, etc
This is important to my question because I am always looking to new modeling/painting opportunities to add to my on-going "All Chapters/Legions" collection which only included units that are common in the fluff/publication or iconic

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 Irbis wrote:

You get to uh, pick one of Codex traits. Unless you take Gabriel Angelos, their only character, then you can't actually do that, and have to play trait/relic/chapter-less.

I'm pretty sure that you can still pick. Not that FW has bothered ever to clarify how their marine special characters are supposed to work. When I asked about Angelos in particular, they told me to use Ultramarine traits. I have no idea why.

Have I mentioned I hate FW rule writers and their zero-effort job they did in 8th yet?

Well, if their models had proper rules, then people might actually buy them, and there would be no reason to discontinue them. Can't have that!

FW is a mess, which is why I avoid it entirely.

Anyone care to review my project and make any suggestions?
http://glennsgwmodels.blogspot.com/2017/09/more-space-marines.html

I currently have a completed Salamander Land Speeder, IF w/ missile launcher, PAGK w/ sword I need to get pics for
And I am working on a BA Death Company Marine and a Wold Guard Terminator with lightning claws

Along the lines of my project, are there any iconic Marines I might be leaving out?

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 Galef wrote:
FW is a mess, which is why I avoid it entirely.

Anyone care to review my project and make any suggestions?
http://glennsgwmodels.blogspot.com/2017/09/more-space-marines.html

I currently have a completed Salamander Land Speeder, IF w/ missile launcher, PAGK w/ sword I need to get pics for
And I am working on a BA Death Company Marine and a Wold Guard Terminator with lightning claws

Along the lines of my project, are there any iconic Marines I might be leaving out?

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You're leaving out the whole Badab War, then, which has been part of the Canon since 2nd Edition, I think. Lugft Huron, Lias Issodon, Carab Culln, etc etc.

Yeah the complete lack of effort from forgeworld in regards to giving their chapters rules is incredibly disappointing. It's not hard to to think of some chapter tactics and AT LEAST give the chapters those.

 Irbis wrote:
Blood Ravens!

You get to uh, pick one of Codex traits. Unless you take Gabriel Angelos, their only character, then you can't actually do that, and have to play trait/relic/chapter-less.

Have I mentioned I hate FW rule writers and their zero-effort job they did in 8th yet?

No, as a successor chapter you still get to pick a trait but you don't get any chapter specific relics or strats because you are not that chapter.

 Scott-S6 wrote:

 Irbis wrote:
Blood Ravens!

You get to uh, pick one of Codex traits. Unless you take Gabriel Angelos, their only character, then you can't actually do that, and have to play trait/relic/chapter-less.

Have I mentioned I hate FW rule writers and their zero-effort job they did in 8th yet?

No, as a successor chapter you still get to pick a trait but you don't get any chapter specific relics or strats because you are not that chapter.

which isn';t that big a deal, as it is Angelos and the other FW special chars are stupid flexable because of that. you can choose your chapter tactics based on what you want pretty much

BrianDavion wrote:

 Scott-S6 wrote:

 Irbis wrote:
Blood Ravens!

You get to uh, pick one of Codex traits. Unless you take Gabriel Angelos, their only character, then you can't actually do that, and have to play trait/relic/chapter-less.

Have I mentioned I hate FW rule writers and their zero-effort job they did in 8th yet?

No, as a successor chapter you still get to pick a trait but you don't get any chapter specific relics or strats because you are not that chapter.

which isn';t that big a deal, as it is Angelos and the other FW special chars are stupid flexable because of that. you can choose your chapter tactics based on what you want pretty much

Except, the only reason to play any of those Chapters is really cos you're a fluff bunny. So if you're going to play Executioners you might as well play them as Impy Fists, Raptors and Carcharodons as Raven Guard, Phantom dudes as Dark Angels etc etc

 Irbis wrote:
Blood Ravens!

Funny you should mention BRs. Even though I don't really count them for "having rules", as they are the featured chapter in video games, I have indeed painted a few for my project.

Anyone have any suggestion of other chapters that feature prominently enough to merit a spot in my on-going painting project?
I am thinking of adding 3 robed Marines: 1 Dark Angels Vet, 1 Guardian of the Covenant and 1 Fallen. But I'm not sure it I have room in my case anymore or if they are "iconic" enough to justify getting. Maybe the DA Vet at least since I currently have 1 DA Tac Marine, 1 DW Termie and a RW bike. The DA Vet can be the "special" to go with the Tac.

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