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 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
Russ isn't a heretic, neither is the Lion, I just love to annoy the DA's fans, they are a touchy lot lol

Having people repeat tired worn out, long disproven memes gets well.. tiresome. It's like that three year old who hears a funny joke, and keeps repeating it every flipping time. it does get aggrivating

BrianDavion wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
Russ isn't a heretic, neither is the Lion, I just love to annoy the DA's fans, they are a touchy lot lol

Having people repeat tired worn out, long disproven memes gets well.. tiresome. It's like that three year old who hears a funny joke, and keeps repeating it every flipping time. it does get aggrivating

No its not, we all love taking the piss out of all of our legions or factions. Space Wolves we get pelted with furries and your army is ridiculous, DA's are all traitors, Girlyman's ilk are all arrogant apple polishers, Lorgar and his lot are just bible bashers. Its fun and just banter. Learn to join in and enjoy it or you're taking it far too seriously.

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
Russ isn't a heretic, neither is the Lion, I just love to annoy the DA's fans, they are a touchy lot lol

Having people repeat tired worn out, long disproven memes gets well.. tiresome. It's like that three year old who hears a funny joke, and keeps repeating it every flipping time. it does get aggrivating

No its not, we all love taking the piss out of all of our legions or factions. Space Wolves we get pelted with furries and your army is ridiculous, DA's are all traitors, Girlyman's ilk are all arrogant apple polishers, Lorgar and his lot are just bible bashers. Its fun and just banter. Learn to join in and enjoy it or you're taking it far too seriously.

Do you have an uncle that makes the same joke every time he's seen you for the last 20+ years, and you just smile at him and then turn away and roll your eyes? That's the DA heretic 'joke' at this point. IMO the Alpharius joke is pretty much on the same level at this point.

 Orblivion wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
Russ isn't a heretic, neither is the Lion, I just love to annoy the DA's fans, they are a touchy lot lol

Having people repeat tired worn out, long disproven memes gets well.. tiresome. It's like that three year old who hears a funny joke, and keeps repeating it every flipping time. it does get aggrivating

No its not, we all love taking the piss out of all of our legions or factions. Space Wolves we get pelted with furries and your army is ridiculous, DA's are all traitors, Girlyman's ilk are all arrogant apple polishers, Lorgar and his lot are just bible bashers. Its fun and just banter. Learn to join in and enjoy it or you're taking it far too seriously.

Do you have an uncle that makes the same joke every time he's seen you for the last 20+ years, and you just smile at him and then turn away and roll your eyes? That's the DA heretic 'joke' at this point. IMO the Alpharius joke is pretty much on the same level at this point.

I agree, and I'm not even a dark angles fan. I'd argue the "girlyman" stuff is the same thing BTW. It reaches a point where it's agrivating because you try to seriously discuss something and all thje other guy does is spout tired worn out cliched memes

 Orblivion wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
Russ isn't a heretic, neither is the Lion, I just love to annoy the DA's fans, they are a touchy lot lol

Having people repeat tired worn out, long disproven memes gets well.. tiresome. It's like that three year old who hears a funny joke, and keeps repeating it every flipping time. it does get aggrivating

No its not, we all love taking the piss out of all of our legions or factions. Space Wolves we get pelted with furries and your army is ridiculous, DA's are all traitors, Girlyman's ilk are all arrogant apple polishers, Lorgar and his lot are just bible bashers. Its fun and just banter. Learn to join in and enjoy it or you're taking it far too seriously.

Do you have an uncle that makes the same joke every time he's seen you for the last 20+ years, and you just smile at him and then turn away and roll your eyes? That's the DA heretic 'joke' at this point. IMO the Alpharius joke is pretty much on the same level at this point.

Just embrace it, it'll never end, that's what I do, plus I collect nearly every faction, I take the piss out of my own armies. To angry about it is ridiculous.

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
Russ isn't a heretic, neither is the Lion, I just love to annoy the DA's fans, they are a touchy lot lol

Having people repeat tired worn out, long disproven memes gets well.. tiresome. It's like that three year old who hears a funny joke, and keeps repeating it every flipping time. it does get aggrivating

No its not, we all love taking the piss out of all of our legions or factions. Space Wolves we get pelted with furries and your army is ridiculous, DA's are all traitors, Girlyman's ilk are all arrogant apple polishers, Lorgar and his lot are just bible bashers. Its fun and just banter. Learn to join in and enjoy it or you're taking it far too seriously.

There comes a point where it is just tiresome. The idea that someone does it for fun doesn't make it less annoying.

pm713 wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
Russ isn't a heretic, neither is the Lion, I just love to annoy the DA's fans, they are a touchy lot lol

Having people repeat tired worn out, long disproven memes gets well.. tiresome. It's like that three year old who hears a funny joke, and keeps repeating it every flipping time. it does get aggrivating

No its not, we all love taking the piss out of all of our legions or factions. Space Wolves we get pelted with furries and your army is ridiculous, DA's are all traitors, Girlyman's ilk are all arrogant apple polishers, Lorgar and his lot are just bible bashers. Its fun and just banter. Learn to join in and enjoy it or you're taking it far too seriously.

There comes a point where it is just tiresome. The idea that someone does it for fun doesn't make it less annoying.

reminds me of the kid who used to bully me back in elementry school, whenever he got in trouble he claimed he was just playing etc. he was 9 so at least he had that excuse.

BrianDavion wrote:

pm713 wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
Russ isn't a heretic, neither is the Lion, I just love to annoy the DA's fans, they are a touchy lot lol

Having people repeat tired worn out, long disproven memes gets well.. tiresome. It's like that three year old who hears a funny joke, and keeps repeating it every flipping time. it does get aggrivating

No its not, we all love taking the piss out of all of our legions or factions. Space Wolves we get pelted with furries and your army is ridiculous, DA's are all traitors, Girlyman's ilk are all arrogant apple polishers, Lorgar and his lot are just bible bashers. Its fun and just banter. Learn to join in and enjoy it or you're taking it far too seriously.

There comes a point where it is just tiresome. The idea that someone does it for fun doesn't make it less annoying.

reminds me of the kid who used to bully me back in elementry school, whenever he got in trouble he claimed he was just playing etc. he was 9 so at least he had that excuse.

He definitely comes across as someone that takes the whole Filthy Frank meme of "It's just a prank bro!" a little too literally.

WTF, now you's are talking about bullying, jesus you people are so fragile.

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
WTF, now you's are talking about bullying, jesus you people are so fragile.

I'm not implying you are a bully. I'm just commenting that people use "it was a joke" all the time, but that doesn't remove the fact that people find the jokes annoying.

Here's a thing about a joke.. They need to be funny

BrianDavion wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
WTF, now you's are talking about bullying, jesus you people are so fragile.

I'm not implying you are a bully. I'm just commenting that people use "it was a joke" all the time, but that doesn't remove the fact that people find the jokes annoying.

Here's a thing about a joke.. They need to be funny

Because it is a joke, they don't need to be funny to all parties, thats what banter is, its a cultural thing as everyone who has complained here is either American or Canadian. Banter is an everyday thing here in Britain, we take the piss out of each other all the time.

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
WTF, now you's are talking about bullying, jesus you people are so fragile.

I'm not implying you are a bully. I'm just commenting that people use "it was a joke" all the time, but that doesn't remove the fact that people find the jokes annoying.

Here's a thing about a joke.. They need to be funny

Because it is a joke, they don't need to be funny to all parties, thats what banter is, its a cultural thing as everyone who has complained here is either American or Canadian. Banter is an everyday thing here in Britain, we take the piss out of each other all the time.

I dunno, pm713's flag is UK and he still seems to agree that its not a good joke, at the very least its certainly not an original take on it. Also, typically speaking a joke is intended to make people entertained and laugh. If no one responds well to it, (except yourself) maybe consider sharing it to a different audience? You seem to have this compunction that you are never wrong on anything and that you have to make yourself feel as though you're in the right, typically with long quote walls that may or may not be relevant.

 Grimskul wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
WTF, now you's are talking about bullying, jesus you people are so fragile.

I'm not implying you are a bully. I'm just commenting that people use "it was a joke" all the time, but that doesn't remove the fact that people find the jokes annoying.

Here's a thing about a joke.. They need to be funny

Because it is a joke, they don't need to be funny to all parties, thats what banter is, its a cultural thing as everyone who has complained here is either American or Canadian. Banter is an everyday thing here in Britain, we take the piss out of each other all the time.

I dunno, pm713's flag is UK and he still seems to agree that its not a good joke, at the very least its certainly not an original take on it. Also, typically speaking a joke is intended to make people entertained and laugh. If no one responds well to it, (except yourself) maybe consider sharing it to a different audience? You seem to have this compunction that you are never wrong on anything and that you have to make yourself feel as though you're in the right, typically with long quote walls that may or may not be relevant.

Yeah but we've had arguments before, he's argue with me about anything. As for me being never wrong, that's just bull, even the people I clash with will tell you I'm the first to say I'm wrong when I'm not. I'm right most of the time and I know a lot about the lore, which is why people think that. Every quote I typed has been relevant, its easy with people like you, show me a quote I posted that wasn't relative, YOU CAN'T. You've heard other people say that and are just using it because you're an donkey-cave, but guess what, none of those people could quote where I've done that after saying that, they are all in the butthurt club and now you are just jumping in (and don't bother trying to rebuke that until you quote me quoting out of context or when its not relative) being a dick because I made fun of the DA's, jesus you must be so sheltered its unbelievable. Jesus 40k if full of little fragile people that go on vendettas because someone merely proved them wrong on something and band together to create an echo chamber to feel good about themselves, its unreal.

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

 Grimskul wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
WTF, now you's are talking about bullying, jesus you people are so fragile.

I'm not implying you are a bully. I'm just commenting that people use "it was a joke" all the time, but that doesn't remove the fact that people find the jokes annoying.

Here's a thing about a joke.. They need to be funny

Because it is a joke, they don't need to be funny to all parties, thats what banter is, its a cultural thing as everyone who has complained here is either American or Canadian. Banter is an everyday thing here in Britain, we take the piss out of each other all the time.

I dunno, pm713's flag is UK and he still seems to agree that its not a good joke, at the very least its certainly not an original take on it. Also, typically speaking a joke is intended to make people entertained and laugh. If no one responds well to it, (except yourself) maybe consider sharing it to a different audience? You seem to have this compunction that you are never wrong on anything and that you have to make yourself feel as though you're in the right, typically with long quote walls that may or may not be relevant.

Yeah but we've had arguments before, he's argue with me about anything. As for me being never wrong, that's just bull, even the people I clash with will tell you I'm the first to say I'm wrong when I'm not. I'm right most of the time and I know a lot about the lore, which is why people think that. Every quote I typed has been relevant, its easy with people like you, show me a quote I posted that wasn't relative, YOU CAN'T. You've heard other people say that and are just using it because you're an donkey-cave, but guess what, none of those people could quote where I've done that after saying that, they are all in the butthurt club and now you are just jumping in (and don't bother trying to rebuke that until you quote me quoting out of context or when its not relative) being a dick because I made fun of the DA's, jesus you must be so sheltered its unbelievable. Jesus 40k if full of little fragile people that go on vendettas because someone merely proved them wrong on something and band together to create an echo chamber to feel good about themselves, its unreal.

Kind of hard to take your comment about yourself saying that you're the first to say that you're wrong seriously when in several threads (the most recent one being the "Character with the biggest balls" thread where you're arguing about the Badab War and you get a lot of things wrong, particularly the number of marines involved/rebelling) and keep getting defensive and ignoring people's points. Resorting to ad hominems like calling me an donkey-cave after only two comments from me shows the irony of you calling us fragile given that your irate reaction is much more telling of how thin-skinned you are if this is all that it takes to rile you up.

 Grimskul wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

 Grimskul wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
WTF, now you's are talking about bullying, jesus you people are so fragile.

I'm not implying you are a bully. I'm just commenting that people use "it was a joke" all the time, but that doesn't remove the fact that people find the jokes annoying.

Here's a thing about a joke.. They need to be funny

Because it is a joke, they don't need to be funny to all parties, thats what banter is, its a cultural thing as everyone who has complained here is either American or Canadian. Banter is an everyday thing here in Britain, we take the piss out of each other all the time.

I dunno, pm713's flag is UK and he still seems to agree that its not a good joke, at the very least its certainly not an original take on it. Also, typically speaking a joke is intended to make people entertained and laugh. If no one responds well to it, (except yourself) maybe consider sharing it to a different audience? You seem to have this compunction that you are never wrong on anything and that you have to make yourself feel as though you're in the right, typically with long quote walls that may or may not be relevant.

Yeah but we've had arguments before, he's argue with me about anything. As for me being never wrong, that's just bull, even the people I clash with will tell you I'm the first to say I'm wrong when I'm not. I'm right most of the time and I know a lot about the lore, which is why people think that. Every quote I typed has been relevant, its easy with people like you, show me a quote I posted that wasn't relative, YOU CAN'T. You've heard other people say that and are just using it because you're an donkey-cave, but guess what, none of those people could quote where I've done that after saying that, they are all in the butthurt club and now you are just jumping in (and don't bother trying to rebuke that until you quote me quoting out of context or when its not relative) being a dick because I made fun of the DA's, jesus you must be so sheltered its unbelievable. Jesus 40k if full of little fragile people that go on vendettas because someone merely proved them wrong on something and band together to create an echo chamber to feel good about themselves, its unreal.

Kind of hard to take your comment about yourself saying that you're the first to say that you're wrong seriously when in several threads (the most recent one being the "Character with the biggest balls" thread where you're arguing about the Badab War and you get a lot of things wrong, particularly the number of marines involved/rebelling) and keep getting defensive and ignoring people's points. Resorting to ad hominems like calling me an donkey-cave after only two comments from me shows the irony of you calling us fragile given that your irate reaction is much more telling of how thin-skinned you are if this is all that it takes to rile you up.

Qoute from that thread, where I admit I'm wrong:

"So it is facepalm.

Guilliman was not right and if you say her was right you have to evidence rather than just saying he was right. regardless of the numbers, Guilliman's codex failed to stop the Badab war from happening, which was its point, its point was to stop legions banding together, the chapters banded together nonetheless and he still just weakened the Astartes. Plus only second founding chapters have turned. He failed miserably. The precident is set as well, we know he failed so there is nothing from stopping a quarter, half of all chapters joining together and turning against the Imperium. All the codex accomplished was weakening the Astartes. I mean how can you say he was right, the Badab war was just a lower scale version of the HH, he didn't stop anything."

So you are a liar.

You were attacking my character, just because I made fun of the DA's, yeah I'm gong to call you an donkey-cave for that. now you are lying about another thread. This is the only time I've argued with you and you attack my character for making fun of DA, I'd have to break the rules to tell you what kind of person you are. Still couldn't quote me taking things out of context or being unrelated.

You admitted a blatent numerical error, but continued to argue for the stance you used that figure for, arguing that the Badb was somehow equvilant to the horus heresy, despite being fought with a thousandth for the forces, in a single sector of space

BrianDavion wrote:
You admitted a blatent numerical error, but continued to argue for the stance you used that figure for, arguing that the Badb was somehow equvilant to the horus heresy, despite being fought with a thousandth for the forces, in a single sector of space

I never said it was the equivalent, I said it was 'one' of the biggest rebellions in Imperial history:

" Splitting the legions into chapters were supposed to never let the HH happen again and the codex details how to do that. The codex never did its job, chapters turn traitor all the time and the Badab war happened. It wouldn't have been worse if the legions were at full strength, because it wouldn't of happened, Huron united the Maelstrom Warders because the were all of the same system and had goals in common, that wouldn't have happened with the founding loyal legions as they are from systems that are isolated from one another and they have very different interests, goals etc. If the founding legions turned it would most likely be one legion in which the rest could sanction, plus the memory of the HH and the bond of loyalty from that would mean they would probably never turn as they haven't in 10,000 years. Now there are so many chapters that have little relation to their founding chapters and have their own differences, difficulties and goals, that's why they turn so often and why its only 2nd founders that ever turn now. Bare in mind also that the Badab war was one of the worst rebellions in Imperial history and they were only chapter strength."

As soon as you mentioned it was 7000 and 4 chapters I admitted I was wrong.

Your comment:

"7 chapters is 7000 marines not 70,000.

And yet again, Gulliman was RIGHT, the Badb war was the biggest space marine rebellion since the Horus Heresy, and the number of chapters in rebellion where not 7, it was 4 chapters, the Astral Claws, Executioners, Lamenters and the Mantis Warriors. The Tyrants Legion was eistamated to contain another 1000 space marines so... all total, 5000 marines. and if the LARGEST space Marine rebellion since the Heresy was ONLY 5000 Marines? I'd say the Codex has done it's job. "

Mine straight after, anyone can see:

"So it is facepalm.

Guilliman was not right and if you say her was right you have to evidence rather than just saying he was right. regardless of the numbers, Guilliman's codex failed to stop the Badab war from happening, which was its point, its point was to stop legions banding together, the chapters banded together nonetheless and he still just weakened the Astartes. Plus only second founding chapters have turned. He failed miserably. The precident is set as well, we know he failed so there is nothing from stopping a quarter, half of all chapters joining together and turning against the Imperium. All the codex accomplished was weakening the Astartes. I mean how can you say he was right, the Badab war was just a lower scale version of the HH, he didn't stop anything."

Brian you are another on a vendetta, you follow me about on any thread and try and prove me wrong and now you are lying. You people forget that everything on these threads are recorded. Like I said you are little fragile people. Its actually really depressing being on these threads and having to talk to people like you.

See, here's the thing. You never explicitly say in those quotes of yours that you were mistaken or that you have reconsidered your position, you just brush past your faulty reasoning by saying "regardless of the numbers" (which by your own logic would debunk your own point) and shift the goalposts to continue your own argument. You never address the fact the codex is not meant to be an airtight solution to treachery, and the re-organization DID prevent any Heresy-level treachery. There has never been a co-ordinated rebellion of that scale by marines since the codex, and the Badab War shows its success considering how small-scale it is in comparison. If the codex truly only weakened the Astartes, where is your proof? So far the worst civil wars in the Imperium post-Heresy have largely been caused by the High Lords of Terra rather than Marines, either by Goge Vandire during the Reign of Blood or things like the Nova Terra Interregnum.

 Grimskul wrote:
See, here's the thing. You never explicitly say in those quotes of yours that you were mistaken or that you have reconsidered your position, you just brush past your faulty reasoning by saying "regardless of the numbers" (which by your own logic would debunk your own point) and shift the goalposts to continue your own argument. You never address the fact the codex is not meant to be an airtight solution to treachery, and the re-organization DID prevent any Heresy-level treachery. There has never been a co-ordinated rebellion of that scale by marines since the codex, and the Badab War shows its success considering how small-scale it is in comparison. If the codex truly only weakened the Astartes, where is your proof? So far the worst civil wars in the Imperium post-Heresy have largely been caused by the High Lords of Terra rather than Marines, either by Goge Vandire during the Reign of Blood or things like the Nova Terra Interregnum.

I said 'so it is facepalm' how much more wrong could you say you were. You're a liar and now you're are just trying to worm your way out of being caught in a lie. As for the codex I never needed to address that It wasn't meant to be taken as gospel (even though it originally was, until Guilliman realised he failed), because ALL legions were broken down into chapters and it was meant to stop the HH happening again that's why Guilliman cut them into chapters.

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

 Grimskul wrote:
See, here's the thing. You never explicitly say in those quotes of yours that you were mistaken or that you have reconsidered your position, you just brush past your faulty reasoning by saying "regardless of the numbers" (which by your own logic would debunk your own point) and shift the goalposts to continue your own argument. You never address the fact the codex is not meant to be an airtight solution to treachery, and the re-organization DID prevent any Heresy-level treachery. There has never been a co-ordinated rebellion of that scale by marines since the codex, and the Badab War shows its success considering how small-scale it is in comparison. If the codex truly only weakened the Astartes, where is your proof? So far the worst civil wars in the Imperium post-Heresy have largely been caused by the High Lords of Terra rather than Marines, either by Goge Vandire during the Reign of Blood or things like the Nova Terra Interregnum.

I said 'so it is facepalm' how much more wrong could you say you were. You're a liar and now you're are just trying to worm your way out of being caught in a lie.

Ah, I misread that given that normally facepalm would have been emoji rather than you actually than it being written out so I read that differently. Though to be fair, it doesn't change my argument that you really don't admit that the core basis of your argument is wrong in this instance, since 4,000 marines (of which only the 1000-2000 Astral Claws truly turn renegade, the others are largely duped) out of the 1,000,000+ marines in the Imperium is a pretty damn miniscule number for a rebellion in the context of the Imperium, yet you continue to hold it as an example of the failure of the Codex Astartes, which was never a guarantee of preventing all rebellion, merely that it would heavily restrict it from spreading, which it did in this instance.

 Grimskul wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

 Grimskul wrote:
See, here's the thing. You never explicitly say in those quotes of yours that you were mistaken or that you have reconsidered your position, you just brush past your faulty reasoning by saying "regardless of the numbers" (which by your own logic would debunk your own point) and shift the goalposts to continue your own argument. You never address the fact the codex is not meant to be an airtight solution to treachery, and the re-organization DID prevent any Heresy-level treachery. There has never been a co-ordinated rebellion of that scale by marines since the codex, and the Badab War shows its success considering how small-scale it is in comparison. If the codex truly only weakened the Astartes, where is your proof? So far the worst civil wars in the Imperium post-Heresy have largely been caused by the High Lords of Terra rather than Marines, either by Goge Vandire during the Reign of Blood or things like the Nova Terra Interregnum.

I said 'so it is facepalm' how much more wrong could you say you were. You're a liar and now you're are just trying to worm your way out of being caught in a lie.

Ah, I misread that given that normally facepalm would have been emoji rather than you actually than it being written out so I read that differently. Though to be fair, it doesn't change my argument that you really don't admit that the core basis of your argument is wrong in this instance, since 4,000 marines (of which only the 1000-2000 Astral Claws truly turn renegade, the others are largely duped) out of the 1,000,000+ marines in the Imperium is a pretty damn miniscule number for a rebellion in the context of the Imperium, yet you continue to hold it as an example of the failure of the Codex Astartes, which was never a guarantee of preventing all rebellion, merely that it would heavily restrict it from spreading, which it did in this instance.

No I didn't after I was proven wrong I said 'regardless of the numbers' and used other reasoning. You're a liar and you know it, you thought it didn't mean that because you are used to seeing emoji's ppfffttt. I'd like an apology.

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

 Grimskul wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

 Grimskul wrote:
See, here's the thing. You never explicitly say in those quotes of yours that you were mistaken or that you have reconsidered your position, you just brush past your faulty reasoning by saying "regardless of the numbers" (which by your own logic would debunk your own point) and shift the goalposts to continue your own argument. You never address the fact the codex is not meant to be an airtight solution to treachery, and the re-organization DID prevent any Heresy-level treachery. There has never been a co-ordinated rebellion of that scale by marines since the codex, and the Badab War shows its success considering how small-scale it is in comparison. If the codex truly only weakened the Astartes, where is your proof? So far the worst civil wars in the Imperium post-Heresy have largely been caused by the High Lords of Terra rather than Marines, either by Goge Vandire during the Reign of Blood or things like the Nova Terra Interregnum.

I said 'so it is facepalm' how much more wrong could you say you were. You're a liar and now you're are just trying to worm your way out of being caught in a lie.

Ah, I misread that given that normally facepalm would have been emoji rather than you actually than it being written out so I read that differently. Though to be fair, it doesn't change my argument that you really don't admit that the core basis of your argument is wrong in this instance, since 4,000 marines (of which only the 1000-2000 Astral Claws truly turn renegade, the others are largely duped) out of the 1,000,000+ marines in the Imperium is a pretty damn miniscule number for a rebellion in the context of the Imperium, yet you continue to hold it as an example of the failure of the Codex Astartes, which was never a guarantee of preventing all rebellion, merely that it would heavily restrict it from spreading, which it did in this instance.

No I didn't after I was proven wrong I said 'regardless of the numbers' and used other reasoning. You're a liar and you know it, you thought it didn't mean that because you are used to seeing emoji's ppfffttt. I'd like an apology.

I'm sorry to see that you don't seem to notice how you didn't really address my points and that you contradict yourself in this thread. Your own quote has you state "Splitting the legions into chapters were supposed to never let the HH happen again and the codex details how to do that. The codex never did its job, chapters turn traitor all the time and the Badad war happened." but then you follow up with how the codex wasn't meant to be taken as gospel but instead it "was meant to stop the HH happening again that's why Guilliman cut them into chapters". So...are you agreeing that the codex did its job or not? Because the first part seems to imply that you don't seem to believe so yet in the latter you understand its purpose was basically fulfilled. Unless you just changed your mind in the most recent post? I mean you can keep calling me a liar if you want, it doesn't make me one. Either way, your stubborness in your responses really shows that you're not admitting you're wrong, just that the semantics in the argument have changed.

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See, here's the thing. You never explicitly say in those quotes of yours that you were mistaken or that you have reconsidered your position, you just brush past your faulty reasoning by saying "regardless of the numbers" (which by your own logic would debunk your own point) and shift the goalposts to continue your own argument. You never address the fact the codex is not meant to be an airtight solution to treachery, and the re-organization DID prevent any Heresy-level treachery. There has never been a co-ordinated rebellion of that scale by marines since the codex, and the Badab War shows its success considering how small-scale it is in comparison. If the codex truly only weakened the Astartes, where is your proof? So far the worst civil wars in the Imperium post-Heresy have largely been caused by the High Lords of Terra rather than Marines, either by Goge Vandire during the Reign of Blood or things like the Nova Terra Interregnum.

I said 'so it is facepalm' how much more wrong could you say you were. You're a liar and now you're are just trying to worm your way out of being caught in a lie.

Ah, I misread that given that normally facepalm would have been emoji rather than you actually than it being written out so I read that differently. Though to be fair, it doesn't change my argument that you really don't admit that the core basis of your argument is wrong in this instance, since 4,000 marines (of which only the 1000-2000 Astral Claws truly turn renegade, the others are largely duped) out of the 1,000,000+ marines in the Imperium is a pretty damn miniscule number for a rebellion in the context of the Imperium, yet you continue to hold it as an example of the failure of the Codex Astartes, which was never a guarantee of preventing all rebellion, merely that it would heavily restrict it from spreading, which it did in this instance.

No I didn't after I was proven wrong I said 'regardless of the numbers' and used other reasoning. You're a liar and you know it, you thought it didn't mean that because you are used to seeing emoji's ppfffttt. I'd like an apology.

I'm sorry to see that you don't seem to notice how you didn't really address my points and that you contradict yourself in this thread. Your own quote has you state "Splitting the legions into chapters were supposed to never let the HH happen again and the codex details how to do that. The codex never did its job, chapters turn traitor all the time and the Badad war happened." but then you follow up with how the codex wasn't meant to be taken as gospel but instead it "was meant to stop the HH happening again that's why Guilliman cut them into chapters". So...are you agreeing that the codex did its job or not? Because the first part seems to imply that you don't seem to believe so yet in the latter you understand its purpose was basically fulfilled. Unless you just changed your mind in the most recent post? I mean you can keep calling me a liar if you want, it doesn't make me one. Either way, your stubborness in your responses really shows that you're not admitting you're wrong, just that the semantics in the argument have changed.

You say I never admit I'm wrong, not only do you do that you can't even apologise for being a liar.

"Splitting the legions into chapters were supposed to never let the HH happen again and the codex details how to do that. The codex never did its job, chapters turn traitor all the time and the Badad war happened." - this says the codex never did its jub because Badab happened.

YOU were the one that brought up that the codex wasn't meant to be taken as gospel.

"was meant to stop the HH happening again that's why Guilliman cut them into chapters" Yeah the codex was MEANT to stop the HH from happening again but FAILED as BADAB happened. What are you even on about...

I'm not stubborn in my response, I showing what I actually said and pointed out you are a fething liar. You are the one trying to argue about the subject on the other thread to prove me wrong because you don't have the spine to admit you are wrong and are a liar so you are using the other thread to keep arguing and winning points so you don't feel that you were wrong and are a liar. Actually I'm not going to reply to anymore of your comments, you have zero integrity and you attack peoples character for making fun of fictional armies. I've had enough of you quite frankly.

Ah, but earlier before we already mentioned that the Badab War was a demonstration of the Codex succeeding since only a measly 4,000 marines were able to rebel together versus the full nine legions during the HH. You said to Brian that you didn't say it was the equivalent of the HH but if that's the case why do you say the Codex failed because of Badab? You already mentioned that the Codexs purpose was to prevent a HH scale event from occurring and it hasn't, Badab wasn't anywhere near close since Huron didn't have authority over anywhere near legion strength. So how has the Codex failed?

The fact that you can't keep your argument straight despite evidence to the contrary means to me your admittance of being "wrong" is lip service at best and not sincere.

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Ah, but earlier before we already mentioned that the Badab War was a demonstration of the Codex succeeding since only a measly 4,000 marines were able to rebel together versus the full nine legions during the HH. You said to Brian that you didn't say it was the equivalent of the HH but if that's the case why do you say the Codex failed because of Badab? You already mentioned that the Codexs purpose was to prevent a HH scale event from occurring and it hasn't, Badab wasn't anywhere near close since Huron didn't have authority over anywhere near legion strength. So how has the Codex failed?

The fact that you can't keep your argument straight despite evidence to the contrary means to me your admittance of being "wrong" is lip service at best and not sincere.

Yadda yadda yadda.

I used the extent of the size of the Badab forces as a means to argue, then I admitted I was wrong and focused on the side of the Badab war happening at all:

"So it is facepalm.

Guilliman was not right and if you say her was right you have to evidence rather than just saying he was right. regardless of the numbers, Guilliman's codex failed to stop the Badab war from happening, which was its point, its point was to stop legions banding together, the chapters banded together nonetheless and he still just weakened the Astartes. Plus only second founding chapters have turned. He failed miserably. The precident is set as well, we know he failed so there is nothing from stopping a quarter, half of all chapters joining together and turning against the Imperium. All the codex accomplished was weakening the Astartes. I mean how can you say he was right, the Badab war was just a lower scale version of the HH, he didn't stop anything."

That's after I was proven wrong and still haven't argued about the size of the force since. You are still lying. Everything on that thread is still there, it hasn't vanished, anyone can see it you know. You are seriously pathological. Your mind just blocks out that you were wrong and were lying and now you are desperately trying to somehow magically make yourself right. There is seriously something wrong with you. Seriously if someone admitted they were wrong why would they still argue on that basis, Its illogical. If someone had the integrity to say 'I'm wrong' then they aren't going to still argue on that basis. Paying lip service to being wrong, I mean listen to yourself.

So are you admitting that the Codex Astartes isn't a failure then? If so, you're doing a very roundabout way of conceding because it's precisely the numbers that show that the Badab War wasn't a failure within the context of the Codex Astartes as it was never meant to stop all types of rebellions, only limit them. The Badab War happening at all therefore does not show the Codex as failing in its purpose. Because otherwise you still really haven't admitted you were wrong on your stance on the Codex.

Feel free to ignore me if I'm really bothering you that much. I mean you were the one who said they were going to stop replying to me, I just wanted that to be clear.

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So are you admitting that the Codex Astartes isn't a failure then? If so, you're doing a very roundabout way of conceding because it's precisely the numbers that show that the Badab War wasn't a failure within the context of the Codex Astartes as it was never meant to stop all types of rebellions, only limit them. The Badab War happening at all therefore does not show the Codex as failing in its purpose. Because otherwise you still really haven't admitted you were wrong on your stance on the Codex.

Feel free to ignore me if I'm really bothering you that much. I mean you were the one who said they were going to stop replying to me, I just wanted that to be clear.

No its a failure because the BADAB war happened. Its a smaller HH and like I said if it happened on a small level than whats to stop 500 hundred chapters banding together (and this argument is not based on size) therefore you are lying again and still can't admit it. I was going to ignore you until you started lying again.

That’s enough off-topic discussion.

Please don’t take jokes about fictional characters too seriously. If you don’t find the well worn jabs at the primarchs/legions/chaoters funny then maybe just ignore them. Thanks!