Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

 Vitali Advenil wrote:

 beerbeard wrote:
I guess they want our Evil Sunz warboss to be on the trike. I just finished my gore grunta conversion, so, index willing, mine will still be a bike.

Or, maybe I'll just put a sidecar on the pig.

TBH it looks like they want orks to go all Mad Max. I mean, we have a warboss on a bike, 4 buggies, a trukk, deffkoptas, and a battlewagon. I don't know about y'all gitz, but the first gorkdarn thing I'm doing is building me a list of every ork vehicle imaginable.

Ditto.

Yep one of each of the new buggies with trikeboss being followed by deffskull dreadmob with a mega armored big mek.

bad moonz trait is 4++?
Bit basic, but definitely not complaining!

I'm happy with Blood Axes. 18% more command points is decent, whether farming or no.

Hopefully we'll get some good strats to spend them on.

Lord Kragan wrote:
My LGS informed me they got the preorders for next week.

And the Ork stuff is the following one (so on stores the 27th). Ah, and Blackstone Fortress apparently.

Blackstone Fortress in stores the 27th? Am I understanding your post correctly ?

 JimOnMars wrote:
I'm happy with Blood Axes. 18% more command points is decent, whether farming or no.

Hopefully we'll get some good strats to spend them on.

Due to the new CP rules, you can get a maximum of 1 CP per battleround out of it.

 Jidmah wrote:

 JimOnMars wrote:
I'm happy with Blood Axes. 18% more command points is decent, whether farming or no.

Hopefully we'll get some good strats to spend them on.

Due to the new CP rules, you can get a maximum of 1 CP per battleround out of it.

18% is 1 per 5.5. If he assumes games go 5 OR 6 turns 50-50 then that's actually spot on average if you assume you get 1 per turn. Maybe he meant that. Or his group doesn't play with BETA rules.

I am all in on my Orks… They need some updated buggies and trikes. The look of these has a lot of Kustomization potential, not to mention giving myself and excuse to getting me a Semi Truk Model and Kit bashing a Dakka Road convoy!!!!

a fun battalion detachment with grot troops for cheap cp battery and some objective campers and a bigmek with SAG with deathskull warlord trait would be good for the cp and the added ability to snipe low tier characters. the rest of your point can go into the madmax horde.

Lord Kragan wrote:
My LGS informed me they got the preorders for next week.

And the Ork stuff is the following one (so on stores the 27th). Ah, and Blackstone Fortress apparently.

So all orks preorders on 20th? and blackstone too???

I didn’t think LGS got preorders for the week after as well, just the one coming up?

Always the one coming up, unless it's something special in which case stores get an email as a heads up that it may be worth knowing in advance that something big or shiny is on the way, so get those store orders in early.

Yeah, so they wouldn’t have been told Ork stuff is the one after (though seems obvious it must be).
I guess maybe they’d get told about Blackstone if that’s special enough

tneva82 wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:

 JimOnMars wrote:
I'm happy with Blood Axes. 18% more command points is decent, whether farming or no.

Hopefully we'll get some good strats to spend them on.

Due to the new CP rules, you can get a maximum of 1 CP per battleround out of it.

18% is 1 per 5.5. If he assumes games go 5 OR 6 turns 50-50 then that's actually spot on average if you assume you get 1 per turn. Maybe he meant that. Or his group doesn't play with BETA rules.

That's not how statistics work. You cannot assume that you roll one success per battle round, you can also have all successes in one turn, yielding only one CP over the course of a game.
The chance of success each turn depends on the amount of CP spent, and once you had a success, all further CP spent have a chance of 0% to generate a CP.
Considering that you should front-load as many CP as possible for maximum effect, you will most likely earn less CP as the game goes on.

Since this warlord trait is exactly the same as the Autarch ability, my experience tells me the actual result seems to be much closer to 3-4CP per game, assuming you can hide your warlord all game.
Neither warbosses, nor KFF meks, nor Weirdboyz nor Snikrot are HQs you can hide away. Best you could do is make a mini-mek your warlord and hide him out of LOS all game, but at this point I somehow doubt it is worth picking over a generic trait and some gretchin - there will still be six more available from the codex.

Last but not least, my recent poll clearly showed that you can assume that almost every person playing matched play is also using the beta rules.

 Jidmah wrote:
That's not how statistics work. You cannot assume that you roll one success per battle round, you can also have all successes in one turn, yielding only one CP over the course of a game.
The chance of success each turn depends on the amount of CP spent, and once you had a success, all further CP spent have a chance of 0% to generate a CP.
Considering that you should front-load as many CP as possible for maximum effect, you will most likely earn less CP as the game goes on.

Well yeah you cannot but if you roll lots per round odds are good. And it's quick&easy way to say rather than calculate exact odds.

Anyway don't tell me tell the guy who said 18%. I just gave one theory from which that 18% might come from since I wondered as well where that number was(not the odds of rolling 6 for sure) and then noticed it's pretty much spot on if you calculate it as 1 per battleround with 50-50 is game 5 or 6 turns.

And finally your poll also shows not everybody uses that and top of that we can't actually use that poll to say even what % of players use it. All we know is that there are people who uses some of the matched play rules who don't use that.

 Vitali Advenil wrote:

 beerbeard wrote:
I guess they want our Evil Sunz warboss to be on the trike. I just finished my gore grunta conversion, so, index willing, mine will still be a bike.

Or, maybe I'll just put a sidecar on the pig.

TBH it looks like they want orks to go all Mad Max. I mean, we have a warboss on a bike, 4 buggies, a trukk, deffkoptas, and a battlewagon. I don't know about y'all gitz, but the first gorkdarn thing I'm doing is building me a list of every ork vehicle imaginable.

Get ready for 12 inch long ork WARLORRY!

But I like foot waagh though. I mean, Mad Waagh is cool and all, but sometimes I just want to drown my enemies in the waves of green tide, you know?

 Overread wrote:

 Vitali Advenil wrote:

 beerbeard wrote:
I guess they want our Evil Sunz warboss to be on the trike. I just finished my gore grunta conversion, so, index willing, mine will still be a bike.

Or, maybe I'll just put a sidecar on the pig.

TBH it looks like they want orks to go all Mad Max. I mean, we have a warboss on a bike, 4 buggies, a trukk, deffkoptas, and a battlewagon. I don't know about y'all gitz, but the first gorkdarn thing I'm doing is building me a list of every ork vehicle imaginable.

Get ready for 12 inch long ork WARLORRY!

If only GW had ever released a monowheel grot riding an Astartes bike tire with lotsa guns. I've seen the fan stuff. I want a plastic kit and rules!

Btw the Battlewagon with a Pringles can as the War Rig and a plastic ball on Taurox tracks and the small 'wagon turret as the gas tank is something I really want to do. I hate to convert mechanical stuff, though. I'm fine with sculpting muscles and faces, but give me plastic card and I fail to do the most basic things like bending it in the right shape and having it stay that way.

I'll certainly be blasting "Can't fight this feeling" be REO SpeedWAAAGHon during the deployment of my army.

Although to be fair, there are much better suited songs out there but I can't ever pass up on a good pun

tneva82 wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
That's not how statistics work. You cannot assume that you roll one success per battle round, you can also have all successes in one turn, yielding only one CP over the course of a game.
The chance of success each turn depends on the amount of CP spent, and once you had a success, all further CP spent have a chance of 0% to generate a CP.
Considering that you should front-load as many CP as possible for maximum effect, you will most likely earn less CP as the game goes on.

Well yeah you cannot but if you roll lots per round odds are good. And it's quick&easy way to say rather than calculate exact odds.

Anyway don't tell me tell the guy who said 18%. I just gave one theory from which that 18% might come from since I wondered as well where that number was(not the odds of rolling 6 for sure) and then noticed it's pretty much spot on if you calculate it as 1 per battleround with 50-50 is game 5 or 6 turns.

Except, it's far from spont on.
Let's assume orks go totally bonkers and bring 3 battalions (because, why wouldn't you?), you could have 18 CP to start with.
3 get sunk into the deployment stratagem, can't refund that.
You could use 6 CP for re-rolls during movement, shooting, casting powers, getting shot and to charge from da jump. Maybe fight again for 3 CP if you made that charge and 2CP for the stratagem to protect something with gretchin. You now have 11 d6, with a total chance of ~86.5% to refund 1 CP.
Turn 2 your reserves come in, you use the 3d6 ram for a guaranteed charge (let's say 1CP), 2 more CP for shooting and charging, and 3 more to fight again. Chance to regain a CP is ~72.1%
Now you are left with with up to 3 CP - even if you use them all in one turn, the chance to get one back is only 42.1%

If you spend the CP evenly across all turns (so 3 per turn), you get a 42.1% chance per turn to refund one, which averages out to 2.3 per game.

So I guess my eldar opponents were just lucky - the expected amount of CP gained (assuming you start with 18CP) is 2-3, not 3-4. It gets worse if you start with less.

And finally your poll also shows not everybody uses that and top of that we can't actually use that poll to say even what % of players use it. All we know is that there are people who uses some of the matched play rules who don't use that.

My poll shows that 120 use the Tacical Restraint beta rule. 129 use the basic Psychic Focus rules.
Unless you consider a game which allows you to jump your entire army turn 1 "Matched Play", roughly 93% of the people who voted use the beta rules.

 Jidmah wrote:
My poll shows that 120 use the Tacical Restraint beta rule. 129 use the basic Psychic Focus rules.
Unless you consider a game which allows you to jump your entire army turn 1 "Matched Play", roughly 93% of the people who voted use the beta rules.

Yes but how much of 129 are same as of those 120? There's the issue with your poll. We don't know how many people have voted. It's anywhere from 129 to over 1000...And even then what that shows is that not all uses it. Ergo it's possible he doesn't use. After all if there's people who don't use 3 detachment limit can't deny there are people who don't use CP regen limit iether

But again. Complain to the person who said 18%. I don't know how he got to that value.

tneva82 wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
My poll shows that 120 use the Tacical Restraint beta rule. 129 use the basic Psychic Focus rules.
Unless you consider a game which allows you to jump your entire army turn 1 "Matched Play", roughly 93% of the people who voted use the beta rules.

Yes but how much of 129 are same as of those 120? There's the issue with your poll. We don't know how many people have voted. It's anywhere from 129 to over 1000...And even then what that shows is that not all uses it. Ergo it's possible he doesn't use. After all if there's people who don't use 3 detachment limit can't deny there are people who don't use CP regen limit iether

Except there is next to no chance for the deviation to be higher than 5-6 people. You really need to learn how to interpret statistics. Just because you don't like how the poll was made doesn't mean its results don't matter.

If 90% of the playerbase uses the rule, it can be assumed that everyone uses it. The remaining 10% might as well be playing some mixed pot of house-rules that allow no call on tactics or unit efficiency at all, because they have overruled 40k rules with KT rules or some homebrew.

Therefore "maybe his group doesn't use the rule" is irrelevant to any discussion about the efficiency of anything, since the vast majority of players, in fact, uses that rule.

Some info from Games U

We already know the first possible day for Ork stuff preorder is the 20th (meaning in-hand on 27th), so I kinda fail to see how that Games U post contains any new info.

A new lore article is up about the Brain Boys:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/10/09/grim-dark-corners-the-brainboyzgw-homepage-post-3/

It's something about Orks at least.

The original rumors foretelling of all the Ork vehicles and the box game we now know is Speed Freek... had all the boxed game pegged as going on sale for the early part of the Christmas shopping season. That would have made late October the absolute earliest. I'm not sure where the "Orktober" rumors came from besides people speculating that's what GW was going to do.

GW themselves I believe.

Don’t say that you’ll start another war of people saying what it should be etc..

GW themselves said Orktober.
Which last time they did that it was Novembork.

 aka_mythos wrote:
The original rumors foretelling of all the Ork vehicles and the box game we now know is Speed Freek... had all the boxed game pegged as going on sale for the early part of the Christmas shopping season. That would have made late October the absolute earliest. I'm not sure where the "Orktober" rumors came from besides people speculating that's what GW was going to do.

Orktober was said by GW themselves.

 aka_mythos wrote:
I'm not sure where the "Orktober" rumors came from besides people speculating that's what GW was going to do.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/10/02/2nd-orkt-revving-up-for-orktober-on-warhammer-communitygw-homepage-post-1/

“Orktober is going to be awesome, so don’t forget to check back each day to see what news and articles we have for you.”

(Personally I don’t care that much if the ork stuff comes out in November, but it is pretty akward of GW to declare #Orktober and then not release anything until almost November).