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The idea of based vehicles is interesting. I wonder if they're rules (in 40K) will specify the base as opposed to "any point on the model." Won't make a huge difference, but it will make them unique among non-walker vehicles. I would tend towards building them without the bases, otherwise.

I guess the proof will be in the rules, and if the next set of vehicle releases/re-releases comes with bases. Leman Russ on a base? Baneblade on a base???

Fantasy has had all its machines, monsters and such on bases for a long while now. 40K has also had many monsters and skimmers on bases. In the past it was mostly a practicalities question - ergo if the model could stand alone without base it never had one; whilst now its more a case of steadily putting most models onto a suitable base for standardizing.

It might appear odd to many, but if "to the base" is how every model is measured then it stands to reason that tanks and other vehicles should also have bases.

plus putting vehicles on bases stops them attacking models more than 1" from the ground.. no more using a battlewagon say to run people on the 1st floor over

 beerbeard wrote:
The idea of based vehicles is interesting. I wonder if they're rules (in 40K) will specify the base as opposed to "any point on the model."

The current rules in 40K don't differentiate between vehicles and non-vehicles when it comes to measurement. If it has a base, that is where you measure to and from unless the datasheet says otherwise.

leopard wrote:
plus putting vehicles on bases stops them attacking models more than 1" from the ground.. no more using a battlewagon say to run people on the 1st floor over

Which is stupid. Here's this dreadnought with claw in face of an enemy and can't attack. Sheesh. Nevermind gorkanaut etc.

Also this will result in vehicles unable to enter roads they logically could enter because the base gets in the way.

The repulsor has had a base for months and literally nobody has ever had an issue with it. You need to chill and stop inventing problems.


Don't like a base? Don't use it

CassianSol wrote:
The repulsor has had a base for months and literally nobody has ever had an issue with it. You need to chill and stop inventing problems.


Don't like a base? Don't use it

isn't the base on the repulsive smaller than the model though? and hence unlikely to do anything other than its prime function - stopping the thing from falling over?

thinking like the new oval bases the bikes in Speed Freekz appear to be on, wider than the current ones

leopard wrote:

CassianSol wrote:
The repulsor has had a base for months and literally nobody has ever had an issue with it. You need to chill and stop inventing problems.


Don't like a base? Don't use it

isn't the base on the repulsive smaller than the model though? and hence unlikely to do anything other than its prime function - stopping the thing from falling over?

thinking like the new oval bases the bikes in Speed Freekz appear to be on, wider than the current ones

From the Repulsor's datasheet:

Hover Tank: Distances and ranges are always measured to and from this model’s hull, even though it has a base.

leopard wrote:
thinking like the new oval bases the bikes in Speed Freekz appear to be on, wider than the current ones

I believe they are 75x40mm oval bases. I have had my Ork Warbikez on them since last year.

CassianSol wrote:
The repulsor has had a base for months and literally nobody has ever had an issue with it. You need to chill and stop inventing problems.


Don't like a base? Don't use it

Yeah I'm sure that helps deff dread when repulsor has specifically rule to overcome that nerf and top of that base is smaller than the model to begin with. Thus none of the issues that the base causes affects repulsor.

Nice case of comparing apples and oranges. Howabout don't do dishonest arqument? Your credibility is pretty low when you compare 2 totally different things.

Oh and for last one yeah I'm sure modelling for advantage goes well in tournaments.

anyone thinks all five buggies will be monobuild?

 Ghaz wrote:

leopard wrote:

CassianSol wrote:
The repulsor has had a base for months and literally nobody has ever had an issue with it. You need to chill and stop inventing problems.


Don't like a base? Don't use it

isn't the base on the repulsive smaller than the model though? and hence unlikely to do anything other than its prime function - stopping the thing from falling over?

thinking like the new oval bases the bikes in Speed Freekz appear to be on, wider than the current ones

From the Repulsor's datasheet:

Hover Tank: Distances and ranges are always measured to and from this model’s hull, even though it has a base.

exactly, the thing has a base to stop it falling over, no other purpose


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jullevi wrote:

leopard wrote:
thinking like the new oval bases the bikes in Speed Freekz appear to be on, wider than the current ones

I believe they are 75x40mm oval bases. I have had my Ork Warbikez on them since last year.

my 'problem', if its that really is they are different to the bases the bikes from the kult of speed box came with, so would look a bit daft next to them, may have to get some normal bike bases

The Blight Hauler also has a base.

CassianSol wrote:
The repulsor has had a base for months and literally nobody has ever had an issue with it. You need to chill and stop inventing problems.


Don't like a base? Don't use it

Does the Repulsor have wheels or treads? Hmmm. Good try, but not relevant. Is there any vehicle currently in the game that is relevant?

Games Workshop wrote:Over the past few weeks, you guys have patiently waited as we’ve revealed the new Codex: Orks, new Ork buggies and Speed Freeks. Well, the wait is almost over – next week, Speed Freeks will be available for you to pre-order!

"patiently waited"



GW must really not be reading this thread.

 beerbeard wrote:
The idea of based vehicles is interesting. I wonder if they're rules (in 40K) will specify the base as opposed to "any point on the model." Won't make a huge difference, but it will make them unique among non-walker vehicles. I would tend towards building them without the bases, otherwise.

I guess the proof will be in the rules, and if the next set of vehicle releases/re-releases comes with bases. Leman Russ on a base? Baneblade on a base???

I like the idea... I've personally been to tournaments where a guy was like 1cm out of range so he moved his las cannon out and was suddenly in range... and then moved it back in to get out of range... that crap sucks...

SemperMortis wrote:
Yeah.....I have 250ish Boyz, 30 Lootas, 50 Stormboyz, 45 Kommandos, 20 Tankbustas, 15 Burna Boyz, and at least 40 Nobz.....I DO NOT WANT TO REBASE THESE.

Second

Ashkayel wrote:
Exclusive to this box? I already have 13 bikers and I don't like the dragsta, so if the buggies are really exclusive to the box, it means no Kustom Boomblasta for me

Preaching to the choir LMAO I have 35 Warbikers

some dude on the facebook group posted this:

So a buddy of mine owns a gaming/comic book store and he asked his GW rep about why there were no Orks for Orktober. Apparently the guys in marketing came up with Orktober without even asking anyone else like production if it would be possible.

Don’t get your hopes up, especially for the codex. Rumors are it’s not going to be out before November.

I'll be skipping the Speed freaks box. I like all of 1 model in the box and doubt I'll ever play the game. There will be low resale value with the War bikes. Wish they sold it with out the War bikers as an option but I guess it doesn't matter.
Looks like my shopping list is down to a codex, any cards and dice sets and as far as I know now that's it.
The timing sucks for me too. After this Saturday i'll be lucky to get 1 more game in this year. What's a Warboss to do ?

 aracersss wrote:
anyone thinks all five buggies will be monobuild?

Think at this point the "Ork Buggy" as we know it is out in favor of more unique entries like we're seeing. Will be interesting to know if the wartrack is still a thing.

~iPaint

 -iPaint- wrote:

 aracersss wrote:
anyone thinks all five buggies will be monobuild?

Think at this point the "Ork Buggy" as we know it is out in favor of more unique entries like we're seeing. Will be interesting to know if the wartrack is still a thing.

~iPaint

I'm guessing all that is indexed when Novembork 3rd (hopefully no later than that) comes around. The models are old and most of those niches are probably filled by one of the new vehicles, albeit at a higher point cost most likely

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 Nostromodamus wrote:
“Correct” base is the one it comes with according to GW though, meaning no need to rebase. Not sure how you can “guarantee” GW event will make you measure, for example, 12” + 7mm.

Because they do in AoS. There is a document of correct base sizes and you are required to measure that way, which, as I have already said, is impossible in practice and so it is a disguised demand to rebase.

People keep bringing up AOS rebasing. AOS has people still playing with old 20-25mm square bases mixed with all the new huge round bases. I can see wanting a standard.

It also makes it more difficult to play alternatives to AOS, like KOW, etc..., once you've rebased to rounds.

40K is not quite the same situation. GW has just started putting everything on an ever-expanding range of larger round and oval bases on miniatures people have been playing with for decades.

AOS is like what 3 years old? With a vast majority of its line being released during that time, how much rebasing did anyone using AOS models, and not old Warhammer Fantasy models have to do?

 adamsouza wrote:
AOS is like what 3 years old? With a vast majority of its line being released during that time, how much rebasing did anyone using AOS models, and not old Warhammer Fantasy models have to do?

I can tell you my 40 plastic Plaguebearers all came with 25mm rounds and now the legal base size for them is 32mm rounds.

 lolman1c wrote:
some dude on the facebook group posted this:

So a buddy of mine owns a gaming/comic book store and he asked his GW rep about why there were no Orks for Orktober. Apparently the guys in marketing came up with Orktober without even asking anyone else like production if it would be possible.

Don’t get your hopes up, especially for the codex. Rumors are it’s not going to be out before November.

I mean this is kind of lies. Ork book seems to be on pre-order the weekend after next, which will be the 27th - in stores for the 3rd November. Count that as you will - but that's not some disconnect between marketing and production, it's orks going on pre-order in time to be the big new thing in the WD released in October.

October is the Ork hype month, all the previews, sneak peaks etc in the week or two before they come out to preorder at the end of the month with a few less focused articles spread earlier out. November is the big run up to Christmas, and December is quieter and more about the year in review.
It's not some disconnect between marketing and production (which would be crazy, or production's fault if they were only late by two weeks), it's what they've done for pretty much everyone else - just people have assumed that Orktober is when you get your hands on the stuff, rather than when they are publishing articles.

I do hope GW learn from this though, or Dakka is going to be unbearable once Sisters aren't up for preorder on Jan 1st. From the Q&A they did at the UK GamesExpo, it does seem a bit that they aren't great at separating what they know from what the fans know/expect. They seemed a little surprised by the question about whether Space wolves/orks would be getting new models - saying "all the last set of releases got new models", without realising the trend doesn't go that far back.

There's a speedfreeks video on the Japan 40k site that shows there is a targeter squig and a grot gunner for the techy gun for the Dragsta. So hopefully that mean bs4+.

Can you Link the pague or video pls?

Tastyfish wrote:I do hope GW learn from this though, or Dakka is going to be unbearable once Sisters aren't up for preorder on Jan 1st.

Given they’ve never said they would be, it would be another mess of the fans’ making, like the expectations built around a one-word month pun have been.

From War of Sigmar
https://war-of-sigmar.herokuapp.com/bloggings/3325

"-Full review next week
-Box is super thick
-40k rules for the vehicles are included "

So at least we'll know the stats of those two buggies and any changes to the bikes on the 20th. That's actually pretty nice

I'm really looking forward to the warbiker rules, but what is really intriguing is going to be the cost. You guys poo pooing their inclusion in the box are forgetting that they were not listed as one of the nonviable units in the French video, and you must be forgetting just how good they were in 7th.