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No worries, I figure you are just as excited as me. Thanks for the nice typed up statline!

I would assume speed mob is just the ork vehicle squadron rule

 Kirasu wrote:
Looks pretty terrible.. GW seems to not have learned how to value ork shooting, still.

Same # of shots as BS3+ weapons but with BS5+ for a similar cost. Assault 2D6 is 1 wound (before saves) vs a vehicle at 0AP and 1D.

Boom Squig should have just auto hit as on average you're getting 1 whole hit.

It does seem to have +1 to hit with its main gun, but yeah, looks quite feeble. Can't say if GW have priced it right without seeing its points value, but not optimistic. Model looks good, but at the price them seem to want to charge I don't think I'm going to be rushing out to get one.

 Kirasu wrote:
Looks pretty terrible.. GW seems to not have learned how to value ork shooting, still.

Same # of shots as BS3+ weapons but with BS5+ for a similar cost. Assault 2D6 is 1 wound (before saves) vs a vehicle at 0AP and 1D.

Boom Squig should have just auto hit as on average you're getting 1 whole hit.

Yeah, I'm a little disappointed it isn't a grot gunner or straight up 10 shots or something. 2D6 is far too random for orks BS5. The rest of it look fine though.

I have no doubt the "exclusive" for Speed Freeks just means exclusive for now. They said exclusive for all the characters released in boxsets, like the Blood Angels Terminator Captain (now released seperately), the plastic Warboss (now released in its third, fourth version?), Krom Dragongaze (available by itself), the Broodlord (again, it its third or so release), the Tau Ethereal (available in at least one set since, I think two), the Raven Guard Captain (turned up in a set since), and the Watch Captain (in the Death Watch Start Collecting). I don't think Eldrad has been released seperately yet, but is sure to be. The Cryptek, Armigers, and summer releases are simply too recent to be rereleased yet. I have no doubt that these buggies will come out in releases in the future.

It will be priced according to its maximum possible damage output, regardless of probability, as is tradition for Ork units.

Couple of things I dislike about it from these leaks though.

The random amount of shots are a bit disappointing but the fact that the heavy squig launcher and the normal squig launcher have the same profile but different amount of shots would be really practical if it wasn't for the fact that only the heavy squig launcher gets +1 to hit. Meaning you have to do separate dice:

The saw blades are a bit underwhelming considering WS4+ IMO

The shotgun being S3/4 seems like one point of strength too low

The speed is on the low side but it doesn't look quick so I don't mind that. What do we reckon points wise? 75-90 range?

Hmmm look s a bit underwhelming.
With BS5 you get an average potential max of
6-7 hits using blues
A whopping 1 with biteys (maybe 2 with grot gunner +1)
and 3-4 hits with booms
?

This thing better be cheap points-wise.....

Also, "blue" squigs are Bile squigs in the video. That makes a lot more sense.

The melee doesn't look terrible, at 4 S6 Ap-1 attacks. Seems to be a jack-of-all-trades. Mediocre shooting, mediocre melee, reasonably tough...

Do we know if there is any rule regarding it being a food trukk? I was hoping it could heal/power-up nearby units.

You're all mad saying it's no good.

Assuming the leaks stay as is it's a lovely little gun platform designed for a squadron.

rtb02 wrote:
You're all mad saying it's no good.

Assuming the leaks stay as is it's a lovely little gun platform designed for a squadron.

I think being good is really going to come down to at what cost? It has some real potential, the squig mine can work as a pretty decent deterrent against more elite type armies.

But how much is it going to cost in points and in real money? It does look fun though.

It looks like a very versatile vehicle. And as we know, 40k hates generalists.

Go specialist or go home.

I'm sure this is going to be sanely priced based on the fact that it kills about 1 MEQ, 2 GEQ or 1 wound against a vehicle in the shooting phase. Surely Games Workshop won't massively overprice it based on its theoretical maximum damage output and big, awesome sounding numbers mitigated by extremely low ballistic skill.

Seems kinda fun though. Just doesn't seem to be a huge amount of a niche for it given that you want to be fighting high toughness (but not T7 standard vehicles it sucks against those) low-save infantry. So I guess it's for fighting...grotesques?

 Haighus wrote:

Do we know if there is any rule regarding it being a food trukk? I was hoping it could heal/power-up nearby units.

Hmm, oh yeah. Hopefully that wasn't just a joke/piece of fluff by GW

PiñaColada wrote:

rtb02 wrote:
You're all mad saying it's no good.

Assuming the leaks stay as is it's a lovely little gun platform designed for a squadron.

I think being good is really going to come down to at what cost? It has some real potential, the squig mine can work as a pretty decent deterrent against more elite type armies.

But how much is it going to cost in points and in real money? It does look fun though.

The best thing about the squig mine is it doesn't look like it can be trivially shot off the board (like spore mines in past, dunno about at present).

I'm guessing Speedmob is a special rule that grants +2" movement if you have the max number of buggies in a squad.

Surely Games Workshop won't massively overprice it based on its theoretical maximum damage output and big, awesome sounding numbers mitigated by extremely low ballistic skill.

I giggled.

Do you really get to pick what squigs to fire from your launchers?

or in true Ork tradition will it be random for each shot (as an old skool ork gamer I don't actually mind random, but that is going to impact on how useful this is going to be and how you'll want to use it

the_scotsman wrote:
I'm guessing Speedmob is a special rule that grants +2" movement if you have the max number of buggies in a squad.

I was thinking it might be a morale thing for models in a squad (maybe you cant split them up into separate units other like vehicle squads)

BS5+ combined with 1D6 or 2D6 is just horrible RNG

Let's hope that is meant to be the 'durable' buggy and not the 'shooty' one.

95£ would be proper crazy for old bikes amd two buggies, yikes. Not enough to not get it at all, but maybe try and get the bikes and game stuff for cheap and the blue buggy and trike or squigtruck instead of the box *and* the other vehicles besides the Silberpfeil.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/10/15/15th-oct-speed-freeks-da-roolzgw-homepage-post-1/

They've at least put up a speed freeks preview

I don't think we can extrapolate too much 40k info from this but at least we now know that the tumbler thing on the shokkjump dragsta is called an "axle saw" and it's main weapon is a "Kustom shokk rifle".
The megtrakk skrapjets front intake is a "Turbine screw drill"
The exhausts on the kustom boosta blasta function as weapons in this game at the very least and its main gun is a "Rivet Kannon"

Hah, whoever spotted the burna bits on the exhausts of the red buggy was actually right! Those things are a weapon, called "burna exhausts"


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Turbine Screw Drill on the scrapjet also seems to be a close combat weapon

 Jidmah wrote:
Hah, whoever spotted the burna bits on the exhausts of the red buggy was actually right! Those things are a weapon, called "burna exhausts"

One of the few things I've got right about this release

The board is apparently 44" by 32" judging from the given dimensions of the deployment zone and the diagram in the custom scenario. I do hope it is folding cardboard of the same make as kill team boards.

The rules speak of placing 4 Speed Freek boards in that rukk, so I'm guessing the game comes with 22x16" tiles. The kill team boards are 22x30", so I guess you could use two tiles as a kill team board if you don't mind the extra 2 inches.

Some scenarios probably have tiles placed in a single line.

Annoyed they can't keep their tile sizes consistent across games.

The stats don't surprise me. I'm guessing between 75-90 points, and they are meant to be taken in 3's. Leadership will be a concern, as with Kans.

- This is probably the slowest one. The race cars must be faster.
- I'm sure it will get a stratagem, probably every buggy will, requiring a full squadron.
- Dropping 3 of those mines in front of an advancing enemy will cause some consternation.

Based on those stats I'd be reluctant to pay even 70-75 points for the squig buggy. It kind of reminds me of the wazbom blasta jet; a bunch of individually weird and wacky little rules that combined together do.... not that much. The weapons have very weird generalist stats for all of them, with profiles that are only ok against very rare types of units. Grotesques, Ogryns, maybe a few types of tyranid gribblies. The squig mines are another type of cute little nuisance that I wouldn't really count on doing much, especially since orks are an assault army so leaving behind mines is not really useful when you are running towards the enemy.

While the speed freeks rules release seems to be pretty game-specific, I hope the shokkjump dragsta keeps that teleporting positional type ability in 40k. If priced appropriately, I could see that ind of power being very useful depending on when it activates. Might be able to function as a jump-shoot-jump kind of ability. Or, if it doesn't end up with the "deploy outside of 9 inches" rule, it might be good for popping up behind screens to snipe characters or shoot backfield tanks before charging them with its mini-deff rolla and shutting down their shooting for a turn while it falls back. the size might make this kind of tactic difficult though.

I just really hope the dragsta is good because it's definitely my favorite of the buggies (partially because I play badmoons, but also because it just looks really crazy and cool).

Hmm, yea interesting, but I'm not really wowed by those stats. It better be cheap point wise because I can't really see it making a lot of damage. With 9 wounds though, a squadron of them might be annoying to get rid of, but it sure comes down to the price in the end.