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Lythrandire Biehrellian wrote: I am honestly confused. Every model within an inch of a model who is within an inch of an enemy model is able to attack.
Wouldn't the width of the bases mean that more models to the side would be in range, mitigating the loss of attacks due to base size?
Having a larger base would mean that the buble they project to allow combat would be larger as well...
Packing circles is a really complicated math problem ;
The fluff is like ketchup and mustard on a burger. Yes it's desirable, yes it makes things better, but no it doesn't fundamentally change what you're eating and no you shouldn't just drown the whole meal in it.
A 25mm base is technically just short of an inch, so people were able to fight four ranks deep with 25mm bases.
I've had mixed feelings about playing that way. It always seemed kind of gamey to me and more like exploiting a technicality than how things were meant to be. On the other hand maybe GW knew exactly what they were doing with the 1" thing and 25mm bases and they very much intended for horde armies to fight four ranks deep. I can't say for sure.
Of course it's not worth getting too worked up about it rules-wise until the codex is actually out.
I mean if I won the lottery but was also stabbed in the shoulder on the same day should I be told I'm not allowed to be angry at the dude who stabbed me? I'd be hyped I won the lottery but also pissed someone stabbed be in the shoulder.
Do you really feel that these base size changes are equivalent to GW trying to physically kill you? I mean, I can get how Orktober can feel like a lottery win compared to the near-complete lack of ork content since 8th launched, but damn. You are taking this way more seriously than I am.
Let me ask it this way, have you ever refused to play a marine player because their tac marines were on 25mm bases? Are there any events near you that have ever enforced such a rule?
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Dakka Flakka Flame wrote: A 25mm base is technically just short of an inch, so people were able to fight four ranks deep with 25mm bases.
I've had mixed feelings about playing that way. It always seemed kind of gamey to me and more like exploiting a technicality than how things were meant to be. On the other hand maybe GW knew exactly what they were doing with the 1" thing and 25mm bases and they very much intended for horde armies to fight four ranks deep. I can't say for sure.
Of course it's not worth getting too worked up about it rules-wise until the codex is actually out.
You can fight 4 rows of 32s, you just stagger the rows resulting in less possible density then 25s but it is still possible.
mmmm, those 360 pics are nice. I've got one on order, and might get another depending on the bike rules. The buggies I'm already sold on, and those terrain bits will make some nice ork ruins.
I think, though, I might build the dragsta without the spoiler, so it looks more like a war machine and less like a race car. I'm sure the spoiler bits will come in handy elsewhere, as i never build two ork vehicles alike.
Chopstick wrote: GW really love their eye bleeding yellow colored plastic.
As someone who just built Zarbag's Gits(which have that same color plastic), in person? It isn't as strong of a color. It's closer to Tau Ochre than it is Averland Sunset.
Lythrandire Biehrellian wrote: I am honestly confused. Every model within an inch of a model who is within an inch of an enemy model is able to attack.
Wouldn't the width of the bases mean that more models to the side would be in range, mitigating the loss of attacks due to base size?
Having a larger base would mean that the buble they project to allow combat would be larger as well...
Packing circles is a really complicated math problem ;
Particularly if you add things like not having the first row be in a B2B or varied base sizes and interveneing terrain.
I was getting ready to post about the numbers in combat when I went through my math and realized this very thing.
I think that if we charge a unit of 25 or 32 mm infantry, we can still get 4 ranks, if packed perfectly.
I believe if we charge a knight or other near-flat edge there is enough of a gap that the second row can't be within an inch.
If so, we only get 3 rows with 32s on knights (the only thing we need massive numbers of attacks) but 4 if we had 25s.
Against anything there is always the 22% loss of density widthwise (1-25/32)...assuming there are enough orks to always extend and pack fully to the limits of our charge distance. If only allowed 3 rows, we lose 41%.
I mean if I won the lottery but was also stabbed in the shoulder on the same day should I be told I'm not allowed to be angry at the dude who stabbed me? I'd be hyped I won the lottery but also pissed someone stabbed be in the shoulder.
Do you really feel that these base size changes are equivalent to GW trying to physically kill you? I mean, I can get how Orktober can feel like a lottery win compared to the near-complete lack of ork content since 8th launched, but damn. You are taking this way more seriously than I am.
Let me ask it this way, have you ever refused to play a marine player because their tac marines were on 25mm bases? Are there any events near you that have ever enforced such a rule?
Someone can make an analogy without saying the two things being compared are of equal severity.
Dakka Flakka Flame wrote: A 25mm base is technically just short of an inch, so people were able to fight four ranks deep with 25mm bases.
I've had mixed feelings about playing that way. It always seemed kind of gamey to me and more like exploiting a technicality than how things were meant to be. On the other hand maybe GW knew exactly what they were doing with the 1" thing and 25mm bases and they very much intended for horde armies to fight four ranks deep. I can't say for sure.
Of course it's not worth getting too worked up about it rules-wise until the codex is actually out.
You can fight 4 rows of 32s, you just stagger the rows resulting in less possible density then 25s but it is still possible.
That sounds even worse than the four ranks of 25mm.
I'm going to stick to two ranks, but then again I'm not a tournament player.
(I hope I do not come off as disparaging tournament players or people who are looking for advantages. It is a game after all.)
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Bear in mind as others have said it all depends on TO rulings.
GW has officially said 25s are allowed.
So it depends on the knife twisting tendencies of the tournament officiators as to whether or not there will be an impact.
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Mother earth is pregnant for the third time, for y'all have knocked her up. I have tasted the maggots in the mind of the universe, but I was not offended. For I knew I had to rise above it all, or drown in my own gak.
So. It looks like the buggies are all on one sprue. Knowing this, can GW really justify selling a single sprite kit for over 30-40 USD? The density of these kits makes me think they will be released in twos like the armigers were for 75. That would be a fairly reasonable price point I think. What do you guys think?
nflagey wrote: not completely on-topic but this was on Warhammer - Community:
89. Every time there’s a leak, we push back Codex: Squats by another year.
....lol.
Well, GW, if it makes you feel better, every time there's an Ork leak I get more excited about the release. And more excited about the cool featurettes on the community page.
Fang, son of Great Fang, the traitor we seek, The laws of the brethren say this: That only the king sees the crown of the gods, And he, the usurper, must die.
Mother earth is pregnant for the third time, for y'all have knocked her up. I have tasted the maggots in the mind of the universe, but I was not offended. For I knew I had to rise above it all, or drown in my own gak.
Any Word on the New Codex, and the rewrite of the Genestealer cult one?
We going to get it sometime this year?
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Gordy2000 wrote: Yep, same price as Tooth and Claw, so that’s confirmed.
Makes you wonder what the price of the new individual buggies is going to be.....
So 120€.
That's a lot for the models you get, to be honest. The board does appear to be of the same make as the Kill Team boards and twice the size, so hopefully that's a big factor in the price. Even so, I can easily see buggies being north of 35€ each.
The old meta is dead and the new meta struggles to be born. Now is the time of munchkins.
Gordy2000 wrote: Yep, same price as Tooth and Claw, so that’s confirmed.
Makes you wonder what the price of the new individual buggies is going to be.....
So 120€.
That's a lot for the models you get, to be honest. The board does appear to be of the same make as the Kill Team boards and twice the size, so hopefully that's a big factor in the price. Even so, I can easily see buggies being north of 35€ each.
Yeah, I’m sure the game will be fine, but’s let’s be honest, most people are buying this for the models. On that basis, boxed sets like tooth and claw and Forgebane offered a much better deal. Insert obligatory ‘Orks are always hard done by’ comment here.
Perhaps we are just unlucky with the timing and are simply encountering the latest GW annual price increase.
Having the whole board in there drives up the price I imagine. Not saying it justifies things though, and it is a shame Orks do not have as good a value coming out of this. On the other hand all the contents are for one army rather than two, which cuts out the trade/ebay middle man.
5000
2000
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2000pts (50% painted) 
