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What is the hostility towards invulnerable saves for orks, I swear to God, lol.

 Vineheart01 wrote:

Buggies being 35USD makes me happy. I was afraid they'd pull a MekGunz and make something we want like 4-6 of cost 50 freaking bucks. Time to buy 1 of everything!

I'm afraid you've been a sloppy reader.

 Vineheart01 wrote:
i think that was the point of the Killa Klaw was it was a PK w/o the -1 to hit, otherwise its just a PK with reroll to wounds (which is kinda moot on a S12 boss)

Buggies being 35USD makes me happy. I was afraid they'd pull a MekGunz and make something we want like 4-6 of cost 50 freaking bucks. Time to buy 1 of everything!

Wasn't flat damage also different? Could be wrong albeit. But flat damage itself is sweet and reroll wound matters nicely vs T8 targets like knights if you desperately need to try your luck vs one.

Dls
Skarboys

Why, GW. Why.

Dear God, the sheer killiness.

 Vineheart01 wrote:
i think that was the point of the Killa Klaw was it was a PK w/o the -1 to hit, otherwise its just a PK with reroll to wounds (which is kinda moot on a S12 boss)

Buggies being 35USD makes me happy. I was afraid they'd pull a MekGunz and make something we want like 4-6 of cost 50 freaking bucks. Time to buy 1 of everything!

Yeah they're 45 USD


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 TedNugent wrote:
Dls
Skarboys

Why, GW. Why.

Dear God, the sheer killiness.

DLS only works on characters.

Our thread readers arent doing so much of the reading.

the_scotsman wrote:

Bowie wrote:
I know these are rumours so the wording might change, but....

Da Lucky Stikk doesn't replace a waaagh banna, which means a warboss could take one and you could have a waaagh banna holder as well for +2 to hit.

Now your Powa Klaws are hitting on 2+, and your boys will ignore any -1 to hit.

Edit: Rezmekkas redder armour second ability seems almost useless, how often are you going to find your transport still in combat at the start of your turn?
If you charge the enemy they will almost certainly fall back in their turn.
It will only ever come up if they charge you and fail to take out your transport, and how often will that happen when you have a 4+ armour save and no invul?

DLS only works on CHARACTERS, so you can't stack it up to make a unit of super boyz/nobz/killa kanz.

Shame, because killa kanz that hit on 3s sounds aaaaaaawesome.

Damn, missed that part. Ah well.

Also, the psyker relic. Pretty useless for weirdboys. They are already hitting perils of the warp based on boys numbers. Unless they changed that rule.

the_scotsman wrote:

Bowie wrote:
I know these are rumours so the wording might change, but....

Da Lucky Stikk doesn't replace a waaagh banna, which means a warboss could take one and you could have a waaagh banna holder as well for +2 to hit.

Now your Powa Klaws are hitting on 2+, and your boys will ignore any -1 to hit.

Edit: Rezmekkas redder armour second ability seems almost useless, how often are you going to find your transport still in combat at the start of your turn?
If you charge the enemy they will almost certainly fall back in their turn.
It will only ever come up if they charge you and fail to take out your transport, and how often will that happen when you have a 4+ armour save and no invul?

DLS only works on CHARACTERS, so you can't stack it up to make a unit of super boyz/nobz/killa kanz.

Shame, because killa kanz that hit on 3s sounds aaaaaaawesome.

Thanks for the clarification, lol. Never mind on the goffs.

I literally almost missed that and got lost in visions of the old skool lucky stikk killmobs.

The Gitstoppa shells could have some potential. If I understand it correctly a Kombi-skorcha would become.

Shoota 18" S5 AP-1 D2
Skorcha 8" S5 AP-2 D1

Not amazing or anything but might be a solid little upgrade if you only want one relic really, so spending 1CP for that upgrade isn't bad IMO.

Re, misread. Doing this at work arggh

mhalko1 wrote:
Also, the psyker relic. Pretty useless for weirdboys. They are already hitting perils of the warp based on boys numbers. Unless they changed that rule.

Every race has a useless stick to give to their psykers for smiting. It really wasn't a question whether we would get one.


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PiñaColada wrote:
The Gitstoppa shells could have some potential. If I understand it correctly a Kombi-skorcha would become.

Shoota 18" S5 AP-1 D2
Skorcha 8" S5 AP-2 D1

Not amazing or anything but might be a solid little upgrade if you only want one relic really, so spending 1CP for that upgrade isn't bad IMO.

As far as I understand it, this would only apply to the shoota half.

 Jidmah wrote:

mhalko1 wrote:
Also, the psyker relic. Pretty useless for weirdboys. They are already hitting perils of the warp based on boys numbers. Unless they changed that rule.

Every race has a useless stick to give to their psykers for smiting. It really wasn't a question whether we would get one.


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PiñaColada wrote:
The Gitstoppa shells could have some potential. If I understand it correctly a Kombi-skorcha would become.

Shoota 18" S5 AP-1 D2
Skorcha 8" S5 AP-2 D1

Not amazing or anything but might be a solid little upgrade if you only want one relic really, so spending 1CP for that upgrade isn't bad IMO.

As far as I understand it, this would only apply to the shoota half.

I thought so too at first and that's my mistake for writing it hastily. But reading the text again I think the +1D,+1S is the shoota part and +1AP is everything. Oterwise the caveat of AP-1 becomes AP-2 wouldn't make sense anyways since shootas don't have AP

PiñaColada wrote:
The Gitstoppa shells could have some potential. If I understand it correctly a Kombi-skorcha would become.

Shoota 18" S5 AP-1 D2
Skorcha 8" S5 AP-2 D1

Not amazing or anything but might be a solid little upgrade if you only want one relic really, so spending 1CP for that upgrade isn't bad IMO.

It's not terrible, but it's also not...good. Relic weapons always have this weird thing about them where GW really doesn't know how to make them equal.

Any time I see a relic version of one of these little infantry-toted guns, I can't help but giggle at how GW thinks this bolt pistol or whatever is somehow the equivalent to Cawls Wrath.

tneva82 wrote:

 TedNugent wrote:

Give it a rest.

Every brick and mortar I've walked into has a 15% discount.
That cuts the price down to $38.25.

And you get it in UK for 15%-20% off so 20.4£-21.675£. Point is? You are still paying more than exchange ratio says you should.

The person you were responding to and the person I was responding to both live in the United States

That's the point I was making. All due respect, my Finnish friend, but your squiggly lined poundage mumbo jumbo makey no sense on this side of the pond.

PiñaColada wrote:
I thought so too at first and that's my mistake for writing it hastily. But reading the text again I think the +1D,+1S is the shoota part and +1AP is everything. Oterwise the caveat of AP-1 becomes AP-2 wouldn't make sense anyways since shootas don't have AP

Maybe kustom shootas have become AP-1?

The Evil Sunz relic on a little Mek is a cheap enough upgrade to stuff in a 'Naut if the clan trait is as rumored.

+2" base move, +1" advance and charge helps a lot.

And right now together they're a 21/22PL unit in the Index, so if the 'Nauts get their price drop they'll be able to use the tellyporta too.

 Jidmah wrote:

PiñaColada wrote:
I thought so too at first and that's my mistake for writing it hastily. But reading the text again I think the +1D,+1S is the shoota part and +1AP is everything. Oterwise the caveat of AP-1 becomes AP-2 wouldn't make sense anyways since shootas don't have AP

Maybe kustom shootas have become AP-1?

Then da ded shiny shoota seems worse since you'd lose that AP
Edit: I'm dumb,I thought that the da ded shiny shoota was AP-0. Then maybe you're right. Man that'd be nice

Big mek? Why waste the points, you could just have a mini-mek sit inside all game for a few points

the_scotsman wrote:

Bowie wrote:
I know these are rumours so the wording might change, but....

Da Lucky Stikk doesn't replace a waaagh banna, which means a warboss could take one and you could have a waaagh banna holder as well for +2 to hit.

Now your Powa Klaws are hitting on 2+, and your boys will ignore any -1 to hit.

Edit: Rezmekkas redder armour second ability seems almost useless, how often are you going to find your transport still in combat at the start of your turn?
If you charge the enemy they will almost certainly fall back in their turn.
It will only ever come up if they charge you and fail to take out your transport, and how often will that happen when you have a 4+ armour save and no invul?

DLS only works on CHARACTERS, so you can't stack it up to make a unit of super boyz/nobz/killa kanz.

Shame, because killa kanz that hit on 3s sounds aaaaaaawesome.

the Wartrike is a character so da supa cyborg gives that vehicle 5+ fnp

Stompa with the mortal wound auro could be amazing... even a gorkanaut might be decent w it.

The psyker relic all but confirms a nerf to weirdboyz....

It would have been cool if you could combine gitstoppa shells and the dead shiny shoota however relic rules prevents that.

Da lucky stikk was nerfed hard.. it doesn’t even allow armor save rerolls anymore... you can’t use it on named characters...this could only be useful if you can get a character into a unit....or maybe using the index warboss/painboy on bike w klaw to make the klaw decent again... so i guess the 4 amigos list could work with painboy on bike w lucky stikk, zhardsnark, warboss on Wartrike, and warboss w relic klaw) all benefiting from +1 to hit character aura and FNP. That would surely be a very hard hitting and fast crew...

PiñaColada wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:

PiñaColada wrote:
I thought so too at first and that's my mistake for writing it hastily. But reading the text again I think the +1D,+1S is the shoota part and +1AP is everything. Oterwise the caveat of AP-1 becomes AP-2 wouldn't make sense anyways since shootas don't have AP

Maybe kustom shootas have become AP-1?

Then da ded shiny shoota seems worse since you'd lose that AP
Edit: I'm dumb, that the relic shoota was AP-0. Then maybe you're right. Man that'd be nice

I wouldn't bet on it, but who knows?

In general, the dead shiny shoota might be worth a CP. Mathhammer says it kills 2 guardsmen on average, that's 8 shoota boyz worth of shooting.


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gungo wrote:
The psyker relic all but confirms a nerf to weirdboyz....

Every. Single. Codex has this relic. It doesn't confirm gak, except GW loving their copy&paste rules.

 Jidmah wrote:

gungo wrote:
The psyker relic all but confirms a nerf to weirdboyz....

Every. Single. Codex has this relic. It doesn't confirm gak, except GW loving their copy&paste rules.

the_scotsman wrote:

Any time I see a relic version of one of these little infantry-toted guns, I can't help but giggle at how GW thinks this bolt pistol or whatever is somehow the equivalent to Cawls Wrath.

That's what you get when you decide to have relics, warlord traits etc free in points

 JohnU wrote:
The Evil Sunz relic on a little Mek is a cheap enough upgrade to stuff in a 'Naut if the clan trait is as rumored.

+2" base move, +1" advance and charge helps a lot.

And right now together they're a 21/22PL unit in the Index, so if the 'Nauts get their price drop they'll be able to use the tellyporta too.

According to BattleScribe Gorkanauts are 19PL

tneva82 wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:

Any time I see a relic version of one of these little infantry-toted guns, I can't help but giggle at how GW thinks this bolt pistol or whatever is somehow the equivalent to Cawls Wrath.

That's what you get when you decide to have relics, warlord traits etc free in points

They aren't "free" (unless you only consider the most narrow viewpoint of points). Otherwise you could take as many as you wanted, which is not the case. Relics are a resource, CPs are a resource, points are a resource. It's bad design to create a relic that has no functional use given you can only take a max of 3 of them.

 Kirasu wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:

Any time I see a relic version of one of these little infantry-toted guns, I can't help but giggle at how GW thinks this bolt pistol or whatever is somehow the equivalent to Cawls Wrath.

That's what you get when you decide to have relics, warlord traits etc free in points

They aren't "free" (unless you only consider the most narrow viewpoint of points). Otherwise you could take as many as you wanted, which is not the case. Relics are a resource, CPs are a resource, points are a resource. It's bad design to create a relic that has no functional use given you can only take a max of 3 of them.

They are in the sense one relic costs same as another. If game was balanced there would be cost difference between cawl's wrath and relic bolt pistol. But nooooo. They went for equilavent of having volcano cannon and lascannon cost same 1 slot in vehicle.

gungo wrote:
ok there buddy you keep thinking that!

Thinking what?

CSM has it.
DG has it.
Eldar have it.
Space Marines have it.

The fact that each Relic costs the same another Relic means they have a cost. You have a max of 3 Relic Points for a given army, and if each Relic cost 1 RP (Relic Point) then they have to actually be worth the cost, just like anything else in the game.

Since GW continually makes totally useless Relics they obviously don't understand that.

Currently the french wargame studio is streaming on the speed freaks.

Just catch up this about the evil sunz:

"with a stratagem to move twice."

Thousand sons also have it in form of a warlord trait.

But if they give us that relic and there's no change whatsoever to our psykers it feels incredibly lazy. Mind you, I don't really want a change to how our psykers work but I feel that it's pretty likely after seeing this


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Psychocouac wrote:
Currently the french wargame studio is streaming on the speed freaks.

Just catch up this about the evil sunz:

"with a stratagem to move twice."

*SQUEE*

Evil suns relic and clan tactics basically turns a gorkanaught into mortarion!