Ork News & Rumors - New Codex, Speed Freeks,Rukkatrukk Squigbuggy revealed

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**PiñaColada**

Reece stated in the frontline gaming chat that the bad moons stratagem "is awesome" when someone said they weren't sold on bad moons without seeing their strat first..

(Yeah, yeah, Reece and the stompa debacle might have damaged his cred, but he's still an excellent player)

**docdoom77**

PiñaColada wrote:
Reece stated in the frontline gaming chat that the bad moons stratagem "is awesome" when someone said they weren't sold on bad moons without seeing their strat first..

(Yeah, yeah, Reece and the stompa debacle might have damaged his cred, but he's still an excellent player)

Stratagems are big deal. It's one of the things I'm waiting for before I commit to a paint scheme on my upcoming Speed Freaks army. I already have an old school Bad Moons army. Now it comes down to Evil Sunz or Blood Axes.

**TedNugent**

Blood axes strat wouldn't be that exciting if it wasn't for the fact that it's hard to get Ork units into cover, what with unit size and their preference for mid field and assault actions.

As it is it suits them pretty perfectly it seems to me, regardless of the strategem.

Now if evil sunz get to move twice, it is going to make walker and foot sloggers a real thing. A real damn thing.

**Psychocouac**

To be back to news:

On the French Wargame Studio Stream:
- Kustom Boom-blasta (red): 140 points
- Shockjump dragsta: 110 points

**docdoom77**

Psychocouac wrote:
To be back to news:

On the French Wargame Studio Stream:
- Kustom Boom-blasta (red): 140 points
- Shockjump dragsta: 110 points

140 for the Boom-blasta seems really steep to me.

**crzylgs**

docdoom77 wrote:
Psychocouac wrote:
To be back to news:

On the French Wargame Studio Stream:
- Kustom Boom-blasta (red): 140 points
- Shockjump dragsta: 110 points

140 for the Boom-blasta seems really steep to me.

Indeed. 110 seems too much for the SJD which is probably the best of the new buggies as its AT which Orks lack. Was thinking sub 100. 140 for the jack of all trades KBB doesn't seem right. Paying full price for the burnas or some weird GW maths going on :/

**lolman1c**

Yeah, I seriously don't think GW will get our pricing right at all... i mean who can seriously sit there when the index first came out and go "yeah, it's okay for orkd to be paying double fir their twin linked weapons unlike every other fsction in 40k".

However, I am very much pleased with rules so far.

**Guyver 3**

Psychocouac wrote:
To be back to news:

On the French Wargame Studio Stream:
- Kustom Boom-blasta (red): 140 points
- Shockjump dragsta: 110 points

But shock jump is 6 power and kbb is 5 power! Doesn’t make sense.

**docdoom77**

Guyver 3 wrote:
Psychocouac wrote:
To be back to news:

On the French Wargame Studio Stream:
- Kustom Boom-blasta (red): 140 points
- Shockjump dragsta: 110 points

But shock jump is 6 power and kbb is 5 power! Doesn’t make sense.

Maybe they got it backwards? Or maybe they're just wrong. Fingers crossed.

**Guyver 3**

Or it’s a case of gw thinking that an assault 6 st 7 2dam gun is really strong but forgetting that it’s on a unit with bs5+

**Vitali Advenil**

Guyver 3 wrote:
Or it’s a case of gw thinking that an assault 6 st 7 2dam gun is really strong but forgetting that it’s on a unit with bs5+

Like I've been saying, all of the vehicles with the exception of the Dragsta are terrible. Granted we don't know the full weapon profile of the Scrapjet, but all of the other vehicles do on average 1-3 wounds to MEQ. It's a shame because they look so amazing, but they're all gak unless we get news of some neat stratagems of special rules that buff them.

**nflagey**

Waaaagh!!! My Speedfreeks box has arrived at my FLGS!!!

However, I'm not sure I can pick it up before Saturday ...

**Daedalus81**

Psychocouac wrote:
To be back to news:

On the French Wargame Studio Stream:
- Kustom Boom-blasta (red): 140 points
- Shockjump dragsta: 110 points

"GW points new models to sell"

I'll worry when the rest of the details are out and I've been able to play a few games with proxies.

**Psychocouac**

That seems strange to me. I wonder if he just confound with the squigbuggy.

**Latro_**

lets face it the best ork lists are gonna be heavy on different clan detachments.

mine are all desert cammo blood axes, you can easily mix some clans up with a crap load of small coloured elastic bands on the models

e.g https://iconflexpack.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/rubber-2476_640.jpg

wont feel bad for doing it, just look at ye typical imperial soup tourney list! at least an ork one is just orks

**TedNugent**

Those point costs are out of touch with reality.

**gungo**

PiñaColada wrote:
Reece stated in the frontline gaming chat that the bad moons stratagem "is awesome" when someone said they weren't sold on bad moons without seeing their strat first..

(Yeah, yeah, Reece and the stompa debacle might have damaged his cred, but he's still an excellent player)

It’s likely a shoot again stratagem which would be awesome but hardly game changing

**Tibs Ironblood**

If the buggies are all 100+ points they are garbage bin material competitive wise.

**Daedalus81**

Tibs Ironblood wrote:
If the buggies are all 100+ points they are garbage bin material competitive wise.

Maybe, but that will depend on CA and other factors.

**the_scotsman**

Ahahahaha....yep that "Ork codex sure is gonna be awesome"

140 points. Jesus. For a shooting vehicle that outputs fewer wounds on a vehicle than an 85-point Raider with a dark lance.

Well here I was thinking id find a decent vehicle to run my bonkers overpriced Grot Mega Tank as, but at those point values 169 points for 7 bs4+ rokkits is practically fearsome!

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Daedalus81 wrote:
Tibs Ironblood wrote:
If the buggies are all 100+ points they are garbage bin material competitive wise.

Maybe, but that will depend on CA and other factors.

Daedalus 2 weeks ago: "orks probably won't be changed in CA you won't have to buy it"

Daedalus now: "the buggies will surely be priced in CA no worries guys

"

**Red Corsair**

Or maybe he means other armies stuff is going to get bumped and things like the stompa or the buggies will make more sense.

**Daedalus81**

the_scotsman wrote:

Daedalus 2 weeks ago: "orks probably won't be changed in CA you won't have to buy it"

Daedalus now: "the buggies will surely be priced in CA no worries guys "

You've made a blunder.

I'm not claiming Orks will change in CA. I'm saying things around them will change. Good try though.

**Obi_wang**

Whew, good thing I faltered before buying the speedfreeks box. At those points costs the vehicles feel a little DOA maybe they will errata them back down to reality.

**the_scotsman**

Daedalus81 wrote:
the_scotsman wrote:

Daedalus 2 weeks ago: "orks probably won't be changed in CA you won't have to buy it"

Daedalus now: "the buggies will surely be priced in CA no worries guys "

You've made a blunder.

I'm not claiming Orks will change in CA. I'm saying things around them will change. Good try though.

The are plenty of currently underpriced things you can compare a 140 point boosta blasta to and it comes out unfavorable. It's just extra funny when you compare it to things that are half decent.

For example:

Boosta blasta (140pts)

T6 W8 4+ averages 2 S7 ap-2 D2 hits.

Helverin (170pts)

T7 3+ 5++ W12(IIRC) averages 5.5 S8 ap-1 D3 hits.

Yep that sure looks like a 20% increase in effectiveness for a 20% increase in cost to me!!

**Obi_wang**

the_scotsman wrote:
Daedalus81 wrote:
the_scotsman wrote:

Daedalus 2 weeks ago: "orks probably won't be changed in CA you won't have to buy it"

Daedalus now: "the buggies will surely be priced in CA no worries guys "

You've made a blunder.

I'm not claiming Orks will change in CA. I'm saying things around them will change. Good try though.

The are plenty of currently underpriced things you can compare a 140 point boosta blasta to and it comes out unfavorable. It's just extra funny when you compare it to things that are half decent.

For example:

Boosta blasta (140pts)

T6 W8 4+ averages 2 S7 ap-2 D2 hits.

Helverin (170pts)

T7 3+ 5++ W12(IIRC) averages 5.5 S8 ap-1 D3 hits.

Yep that sure looks like a 20% increase in effectiveness for a 20% increase in cost to me!!

We will just have to see what the codex looks like before we can make rash judgements.

**Therion**

Guyver 3 wrote:
geargutz wrote:
it all comes down to how GW is unable to correctly price survivability and ballistic skill.

for suvivability they think sheer amounts of wounds is enough and a pitiful d3 wonds repaired a round. so our expensive beefy stompa should cost way more then the knight becasue double wounds right? nope. any lascanon will melt through those wounds in no time, we cant even stack repairs anymore.

for balistic skill they are the most ignorant game maker for their own rules. most will say that shooting is even better then it was last edition, so thus anything that doesnt shoot well should be cheap right? nope. orks still pay alot for the damage and shots of our wpns, not the actual hit chance. just look at the dragsta for evidence of this. its our most accurate model yet it is very close to price to all the other bs5 buggies we got.

the dragsta will probably be the best selling buggy during this release.

I think it’s obvious that gw costs units on what they could do not what they will averagely will do.

Really? So that’s why the Shadowsword that can potentially do 114 wounds to the Stompa in one phase costs only 404 points? They pointed it based on what it can do? It’s so obvious!

**Midnightdeathblade**

So whens Orktober?

**tneva82**

Now

**TedNugent**

Really? When's the codex release.

**NurglesR0T**

Well, the preorder for the codex is in October so does that count?