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PiñaColada wrote:

 JimOnMars wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:
Only the trait wasn't fully known since apparently they gain +1 to move advance and charge. 7 fething kits and scatter terrain, awesome rules and somehow still unhappy people prior to seeing any concrete points. Unreal.

Just a tip...

they are unhappy that they have to pay the points cost of a knight to get two buggies.

Do you think two buggies equal a knight?

To be fair, the cheapest knight is 354 points. I don't think any of the buggies are going to cost 177 points. (Dear god, let's hope not). But those are still rumours. This preview was however objectively lazy compared to the other ones

Sorry, I thought they were cheaper. But still...

Two and a half buggies are not worth a knight.

How much are armigers? How do their stats and guns stack up to a 140 point buggy?

PiñaColada wrote:

 JimOnMars wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:
Only the trait wasn't fully known since apparently they gain +1 to move advance and charge. 7 fething kits and scatter terrain, awesome rules and somehow still unhappy people prior to seeing any concrete points. Unreal.

Just a tip...

they are unhappy that they have to pay the points cost of a knight to get two buggies.

Do you think two buggies equal a knight?

To be fair, the cheapest knight is 354 points. I don't think any of the buggies are going to cost 177 points. (Dear god, let's hope not). But those are still rumours. This preview was however objectively lazy compared to the other ones

A fair point, 2 buggies probably aren't going to equal a knight.

But food for thought - all 6 buggies together are going to cost about the price of a castellan. Probably more. Considerably more, actually. Now that's an unfortunate comparison.

 Red Corsair wrote:

 deffrekka wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:
The stratagem (1/3 of the preview) was spoiled...by Games Workshop, a week ago.

And the Speedwaaagh! ability on the same article about the buggies that previewed that strat!

The only things "new" were the mek shop more dakka rule and the clan trait. But we already knew those from the leaks. Of course there are people who dont follow forums or hear/see these leaks so its entirely new to them, but it still doesnt excuse the fact they used 2 recycled preview items from a previous news article.

Imagine watching thursdays news and they tell you what happened last week on a tuesday...

Only the trait wasn't fully known since apparently they gain +1 to move advance and charge. 7 fething kits and scatter terrain, awesome rules and somehow still unhappy people prior to seeing any concrete points. Unreal.

Believe me I really, really don't want to start anything with anyone, so I'm just going to drop my comment and let it be what it is. But, yeah, the amount of whining coming from a segment of the Ork community is starting to get my goat. A lot of the comments are coming across like the rantings of a 9 year old who didn't get the exact toy he wanted for christmas. Spoiled and annoying. A lot of my personal, IRL ork friends are super happy with what they've seen so far.

Anyways, I noticed that Boyz, Lootas, and Nobz are "sold out" on the GW store, could there be more unrevealed kits?

 Jidmah wrote:
If you have ever read any codex review from FLG, you know how to read Reece's comments on units. The worst evaluation a unit can get is "great in the right situation" - so unless he calls something highly competitive, do not assume too much.

There also is the issue of orks working vastly different than most other armies, so many bloggers make assumptions based on how a unit would perform in an army they actually do play.

Always check if the person giving their opinion on a unit actually plays orks regularly.

Did people already forget how he told GK players they weren't playing their army right? I think that would've been harder to live down.

 JimOnMars wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:
Only the trait wasn't fully known since apparently they gain +1 to move advance and charge. 7 fething kits and scatter terrain, awesome rules and somehow still unhappy people prior to seeing any concrete points. Unreal.

Just a tip...

they are unhappy that they have to pay the points cost of a knight to get two buggies.

Do you think two buggies equal a knight?

Just a tip back, maybe stop using a unanimously agreed upon broken unit as your measure.

Here's one more, wait for the actual points instead of some poorly translated implied hearsay.

Kan klaw is S8 AP - 3 damage 3.

 JimOnMars wrote:

PiñaColada wrote:

 JimOnMars wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:
Only the trait wasn't fully known since apparently they gain +1 to move advance and charge. 7 fething kits and scatter terrain, awesome rules and somehow still unhappy people prior to seeing any concrete points. Unreal.

Just a tip...

they are unhappy that they have to pay the points cost of a knight to get two buggies.

Do you think two buggies equal a knight?

To be fair, the cheapest knight is 354 points. I don't think any of the buggies are going to cost 177 points. (Dear god, let's hope not). But those are still rumours. This preview was however objectively lazy compared to the other ones

Sorry, I thought they were cheaper. But still...

Two and a half buggies are not worth a knight.

How much are armigers? How do their stats and guns stack up to a 140 point buggy?

In the setup you'd usually see them a warglaive is 177 points and a helverin is 174 points. They are worth their points, buggies over 100 wouldn't be. That's my super quick summary of the whole issue

 TedNugent wrote:
Kan klaw is S8 AP - 3 damage 3.

It's a nice weapon, but they're only WS5. Even with a +1 to hit 6 of them on 4 attacks is 8 MEQ, 10 GEQ, or 20 wounds on T7 3+ tank.
30 Boyz with +1 to hit with 20 in base is 11MEQ, 30 GEQ, or 7 on a tank.

Kans are more durable and absolutely have a place, but Boyz do, too. If a kan or two gets scraped by an Armiger you're testing on LD6 with no help at all.

 Red Corsair wrote:

 JimOnMars wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:
Only the trait wasn't fully known since apparently they gain +1 to move advance and charge. 7 fething kits and scatter terrain, awesome rules and somehow still unhappy people prior to seeing any concrete points. Unreal.

Just a tip...

they are unhappy that they have to pay the points cost of a knight to get two buggies.

Do you think two buggies equal a knight?

Just a tip back, maybe stop using a unanimously agreed upon broken unit as your measure.

Here's one more, wait for the actual points instead of some poorly translated implied hearsay.

Wut? I've seen like 10 vehicles names on different forums as all being cheaper and better. Are you basically saying that the Ork codex is fine but every other codex is broken? Because that doesn't fix the fact that they'll be a drag on your army even in casual games.

The fact is that a lot of people on here are positive but you and a few other people seem to be focusing on a few people who are being critical (and their arguments do make sense). Seriously, read through every single post and the majority of comments will be positive or at least neutral. I would hate an echo chamber so i feel the more opinions here the better. In addition,they're also, for a lot of the posts, posting data to back up their opinions which I greatly appreciate and helps give evidence to allow more people to debate against them and creating an atmosphere where the best possible answers come out and help shape the game to be better overall (with hopes that maybe the devs or other game devs read these forums).

I'd like to defend the point costs of the buggies by saying comparing them to things like Ravagers or knights is unfair due to how good those things are, but when you compare them to literally any other platform they still come off looking bad. Compare razborbacks to the buggies and tell me that is balanced. Now compare razrobacks with all the buffs they can get to buggies with all the buffs they can get and tell me that is balanced.

At this point I think it's fair to say the buggies are going to be trash with how reliable the rumors are about them. I think there is a good chance they will get the Armiger treatment and come out with terrible points, but receive very solid point drops in CA. I won't be buying any until then however.

If the -3 power level drops result in a 60 point price drop for the Naughts however I can see them being a very solid option. The bad moon variants will put out some respectable firepower alongside KMKs. Boyz being 7ppm is a really, really bad hit to the orks, but I am going to take it in faith that all cheap chaff is going up in points.

 Tibs Ironblood wrote:
I'd like to defend the point costs of the buggies by saying comparing them to things like Ravagers or knights is unfair due to how good those things are, but when you compare them to literally any other platform they still come off looking bad. Compare razborbacks to the buggies and tell me that is balanced. Now compare razrobacks with all the buffs they can get to buggies with all the buffs they can get and tell me that is balanced.

At this point I think it's fair to say the buggies are going to be trash with how reliable the rumors are about them. I think there is a good chance they will get the Armiger treatment and come out with terrible points, but receive very solid point drops in CA. I won't be buying any until then however.

If the -3 power level drops result in a 60 point price drop for the Naughts however I can see them being a very solid option. The bad moon variants will put out some respectable firepower alongside KMKs. Boyz being 7ppm is a really, really bad hit to the orks, but I am going to take it in faith that all cheap chaff is going up in points.

I'm still not convinced they're 140 points. That would be just insane even for GW. I think the guy is wrong.

 lolman1c wrote:

 Tibs Ironblood wrote:
I'd like to defend the point costs of the buggies by saying comparing them to things like Ravagers or knights is unfair due to how good those things are, but when you compare them to literally any other platform they still come off looking bad. Compare razborbacks to the buggies and tell me that is balanced. Now compare razrobacks with all the buffs they can get to buggies with all the buffs they can get and tell me that is balanced.

At this point I think it's fair to say the buggies are going to be trash with how reliable the rumors are about them. I think there is a good chance they will get the Armiger treatment and come out with terrible points, but receive very solid point drops in CA. I won't be buying any until then however.

If the -3 power level drops result in a 60 point price drop for the Naughts however I can see them being a very solid option. The bad moon variants will put out some respectable firepower alongside KMKs. Boyz being 7ppm is a really, really bad hit to the orks, but I am going to take it in faith that all cheap chaff is going up in points.

I'm still not convinced they're 140 points. That would be just insane even for GW. I think the guy is wrong.

Yeah same, people claim that PL to points conversion rate is always a bit wonky but a lot of that is many options skewing it or point drops not reflected in PL drops. These are all new models with what I guess are very few individual options. I truly think we can translate 5PL to 90-110 points, 6PL to 110-130. If I had to guess either the French guy mixed up the names of the buggies (with the squigbuggy) or someone asked him in a way that could be misinterpreted. At least that's what I'm holding out hope for. The KBB for 90 points wouldn't be crazy good (or maybe even good) but palatable.

 Tibs Ironblood wrote:
I'd like to defend the point costs of the buggies by saying comparing them to things like Ravagers or knights is unfair due to how good those things are, but when you compare them to literally any other platform they still come off looking bad. Compare razborbacks to the buggies and tell me that is balanced. Now compare razrobacks with all the buffs they can get to buggies with all the buffs they can get and tell me that is balanced.

At this point I think it's fair to say the buggies are going to be trash with how reliable the rumors are about them. I think there is a good chance they will get the Armiger treatment and come out with terrible points, but receive very solid point drops in CA. I won't be buying any until then however.

If the -3 power level drops result in a 60 point price drop for the Naughts however I can see them being a very solid option. The bad moon variants will put out some respectable firepower alongside KMKs. Boyz being 7ppm is a really, really bad hit to the orks, but I am going to take it in faith that all cheap chaff is going up in points.

What point costs, we haven't seen the codex yet.

 lolman1c wrote:

 Tibs Ironblood wrote:
I'd like to defend the point costs of the buggies by saying comparing them to things like Ravagers or knights is unfair due to how good those things are, but when you compare them to literally any other platform they still come off looking bad. Compare razborbacks to the buggies and tell me that is balanced. Now compare razrobacks with all the buffs they can get to buggies with all the buffs they can get and tell me that is balanced.

At this point I think it's fair to say the buggies are going to be trash with how reliable the rumors are about them. I think there is a good chance they will get the Armiger treatment and come out with terrible points, but receive very solid point drops in CA. I won't be buying any until then however.

If the -3 power level drops result in a 60 point price drop for the Naughts however I can see them being a very solid option. The bad moon variants will put out some respectable firepower alongside KMKs. Boyz being 7ppm is a really, really bad hit to the orks, but I am going to take it in faith that all cheap chaff is going up in points.

I'm still not convinced they're 140 points. That would be just insane even for GW. I think the guy is wrong.

Insane point values are entirely a reasonable thing to expect from GW. You need only to look at the Stompa to know it is very, very possible for them to make massive mistakes and then not fix them for a very long time and even then they may still not be fixed.

 Togusa wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:

 deffrekka wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:
The stratagem (1/3 of the preview) was spoiled...by Games Workshop, a week ago.

And the Speedwaaagh! ability on the same article about the buggies that previewed that strat!

The only things "new" were the mek shop more dakka rule and the clan trait. But we already knew those from the leaks. Of course there are people who dont follow forums or hear/see these leaks so its entirely new to them, but it still doesnt excuse the fact they used 2 recycled preview items from a previous news article.

Imagine watching thursdays news and they tell you what happened last week on a tuesday...

Only the trait wasn't fully known since apparently they gain +1 to move advance and charge. 7 fething kits and scatter terrain, awesome rules and somehow still unhappy people prior to seeing any concrete points. Unreal.

Believe me I really, really don't want to start anything with anyone, so I'm just going to drop my comment and let it be what it is. But, yeah, the amount of whining coming from a segment of the Ork community is starting to get my goat. A lot of the comments are coming across like the rantings of a 9 year old who didn't get the exact toy he wanted for christmas. Spoiled and annoying. A lot of my personal, IRL ork friends are super happy with what they've seen so far.

Anyways, I noticed that Boyz, Lootas, and Nobz are "sold out" on the GW store, could there be more unrevealed kits?

I, for one, am absolutely thrilled at PL3 trukks, among other things. What makes me whine is that GW had a great opportunity to knock the ball out of the park with the buggies, and they fall on their ass and overpoint them.

They spent upwards of a million dollars sculpting these things, creating molds, and promoting the bejesus out of them. And they will probably break even, selling a few to sit on everyone's shelf. If I owned a gaming company, I would rather have people play with the models, not sit and gather dust. I guess I am upset that GW does not share my values.

I was also looking to support my FLGS with a big order, and I still might get some grots (about the only thing I don't have enough of) but that's it. Obviously, if we are all wrong about this, I'll put in for a bunch of them, but if not, i'll just use the models I have.

Or I will go to ebay and get FOUR old buggies instead of the one new one.

Has there ever been a case when the upgraded model in a line went up in points cost by a factor of FOUR?

Have they leaked the Trikeboss stats yet?

This is it. We want gw to succeed. We're like parents at a football game cheering our kid on and shouting advice in over excitement. However, we just happen to be the parents of a extremely athletic and muscular kid who just runs and cries in the corner when someone passes them the ball.

 Billagio wrote:
Have they leaked the Trikeboss stats yet?

I think I remember seeing some about only being s5, a melta type weapon, +2 -2 2 damage klaw, T6 8 or 9 wounds. That is off of my rough memory however, but it was around that ballpark.

 JimOnMars wrote:

 Togusa wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:

 deffrekka wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:
The stratagem (1/3 of the preview) was spoiled...by Games Workshop, a week ago.

And the Speedwaaagh! ability on the same article about the buggies that previewed that strat!

The only things "new" were the mek shop more dakka rule and the clan trait. But we already knew those from the leaks. Of course there are people who dont follow forums or hear/see these leaks so its entirely new to them, but it still doesnt excuse the fact they used 2 recycled preview items from a previous news article.

Imagine watching thursdays news and they tell you what happened last week on a tuesday...

Only the trait wasn't fully known since apparently they gain +1 to move advance and charge. 7 fething kits and scatter terrain, awesome rules and somehow still unhappy people prior to seeing any concrete points. Unreal.

Believe me I really, really don't want to start anything with anyone, so I'm just going to drop my comment and let it be what it is. But, yeah, the amount of whining coming from a segment of the Ork community is starting to get my goat. A lot of the comments are coming across like the rantings of a 9 year old who didn't get the exact toy he wanted for christmas. Spoiled and annoying. A lot of my personal, IRL ork friends are super happy with what they've seen so far.

Anyways, I noticed that Boyz, Lootas, and Nobz are "sold out" on the GW store, could there be more unrevealed kits?

I, for one, am absolutely thrilled at PL3 trukks, among other things. What makes me whine is that GW had a great opportunity to knock the ball out of the park with the buggies, and they fall on their ass and overpoint them.

They spent upwards of a million dollars sculpting these things, creating molds, and promoting the bejesus out of them. And they will probably break even, selling a few to sit on everyone's shelf. If I owned a gaming company, I would rather have people play with the models, not sit and gather dust. I guess I am upset that GW does not share my values.

I was also looking to support my FLGS with a big order, and I still might get some grots (about the only thing I don't have enough of) but that's it. Obviously, if we are all wrong about this, I'll put in for a bunch of them, but if not, i'll just use the models I have.

Or I will go to ebay and get FOUR old buggies instead of the one new one.

Has there ever been a case when the upgraded model in a line went up in points cost by a factor of FOUR?

Again, WHAT POINTS??? We've not seen any points yet. Just speculation based on PL nonsense.

I've never played or own Orks before, But I'm planning on ordering all 6 buggies and the new boss in December after I see the codex, see the full rules, all strats and points, etc. It just seems useless to speculate on something we haven't gotten confirmation about.

Also, I find it highly suspect that GW would invest in new kits, and not make them really, really good. Look at the Castellan, it wouldn't have sold if it didn't have super good rules.

GW has a track record of releasing new kits with bad rules thus hurting their sales. See: Most of the Primaris line - Ork Gork/Morkanauts, flashgitz, Armigers (initial release points). They are sometimes so incompetent at balancing their points that I genuinely believe they could not convincingly point their new models with the intent to over buff them to sell.

 Tibs Ironblood wrote:

 Billagio wrote:
Have they leaked the Trikeboss stats yet?

I think I remember seeing some about only being s5, a melta type weapon, +2 -2 2 damage klaw, T6 8 or 9 wounds. That is off of my rough memory however, but it was around that ballpark.

The melta was double shot 8" range and could be used as a skorcha.

the klaw was D3 damage per kirioth, and reroll wound. He posted the video with the stats on KiriothTV.

Other than that I think you're close. 5 attacks. Then 3 questionable shotguns with 12" range and S5 with 2 attacks.

Kan klaws are S8? this pleases me. I love running a squad of 6 of them, they routinely catch people off guard with how deadly they are in melee.
Yeah, WS5+, uh....they have a LOT of attacks though and they all hurt really, really bad lol.

 Togusa wrote:


Again, WHAT POINTS??? We've not seen any points yet. Just speculation based on PL nonsense.

I've never played or own Orks before, But I'm planning on ordering all 6 buggies and the new boss in December after I see the codex, see the full rules, all strats and points, etc. It just seems useless to speculate on something we haven't gotten confirmation about.

Also, I find it highly suspect that GW would invest in new kits, and not make them really, really good. Look at the Castellan, it wouldn't have sold if it didn't have super good rules.

I think the most confusing part is the rumored points not lining up with the known PL. Either GW goofed the values or the rumor is wrong. If it wasn't Kirioth that leaked points then both are probably equally possible at the moment.

 Billagio wrote:
Have they leaked the Trikeboss stats yet?

The leaks we got were:
Rumoured at 120 points
M14 ws2 bs5 s5 t6 w8 attacks5 ld7 sv4

Killa jet: Select one profile before attacking with this weapon:
-Burna Rng 8 Assaultd6 s5 ap-1 damage 1 attacks auto hit.
-Cutta. Rng8 assault2 s8 ap-4 d6 damage. If target is within half range of this weapon, roll 2 dice when determining damage and discard the lowest result.
Snagga Klaw (shooting). Rng8 assault1 s4 ap0 damage1 reroll to wound rolls with this weapon
Twin Boomstick. Range12 assault2 s5 ap0 dmg1. If target is with half range of this weapon, add 1 to hit rolls
Snagga Klaw (melee) s+2 ap-2 dmgD3 reroll to wound rolls for this weapon.
Abilities: Ere we go, mob rule, dakka dakka dakka
Friendly <clan> ork bikes and vehicles that are within 6”s of this models at the start of the close charge phase may charge even if the advanced this turn.
Once per battle, when advancing, this model may add 6”s to their movement instead of rolling a die.
Explodes. When this model is reduced to 0wounds roll a d6. On a 6 each unit within 3”s suffers 1 mortal wound.

 Togusa wrote:

 JimOnMars wrote:

 Togusa wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:

 deffrekka wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:
The stratagem (1/3 of the preview) was spoiled...by Games Workshop, a week ago.

And the Speedwaaagh! ability on the same article about the buggies that previewed that strat!

The only things "new" were the mek shop more dakka rule and the clan trait. But we already knew those from the leaks. Of course there are people who dont follow forums or hear/see these leaks so its entirely new to them, but it still doesnt excuse the fact they used 2 recycled preview items from a previous news article.

Imagine watching thursdays news and they tell you what happened last week on a tuesday...

Only the trait wasn't fully known since apparently they gain +1 to move advance and charge. 7 fething kits and scatter terrain, awesome rules and somehow still unhappy people prior to seeing any concrete points. Unreal.

Believe me I really, really don't want to start anything with anyone, so I'm just going to drop my comment and let it be what it is. But, yeah, the amount of whining coming from a segment of the Ork community is starting to get my goat. A lot of the comments are coming across like the rantings of a 9 year old who didn't get the exact toy he wanted for christmas. Spoiled and annoying. A lot of my personal, IRL ork friends are super happy with what they've seen so far.

Anyways, I noticed that Boyz, Lootas, and Nobz are "sold out" on the GW store, could there be more unrevealed kits?

I, for one, am absolutely thrilled at PL3 trukks, among other things. What makes me whine is that GW had a great opportunity to knock the ball out of the park with the buggies, and they fall on their ass and overpoint them.

They spent upwards of a million dollars sculpting these things, creating molds, and promoting the bejesus out of them. And they will probably break even, selling a few to sit on everyone's shelf. If I owned a gaming company, I would rather have people play with the models, not sit and gather dust. I guess I am upset that GW does not share my values.

I was also looking to support my FLGS with a big order, and I still might get some grots (about the only thing I don't have enough of) but that's it. Obviously, if we are all wrong about this, I'll put in for a bunch of them, but if not, i'll just use the models I have.

Or I will go to ebay and get FOUR old buggies instead of the one new one.

Has there ever been a case when the upgraded model in a line went up in points cost by a factor of FOUR?

Again, WHAT POINTS??? We've not seen any points yet. Just speculation based on PL nonsense.

I've never played or own Orks before, But I'm planning on ordering all 6 buggies and the new boss in December after I see the codex, see the full rules, all strats and points, etc. It just seems useless to speculate on something we haven't gotten confirmation about.

Also, I find it highly suspect that GW would invest in new kits, and not make them really, really good. Look at the Castellan, it wouldn't have sold if it didn't have super good rules.

The same french youtubers who have correctly gotten a bunch of previous releases said that the Boosta-Blasta was 140 and the Dragsta was 110. Thats not speculation based on power level, because both of those are solidly higher than "Power level *20".

It would make sense for them to have those two points values if they have a pre-release copy of Speed Freeks, which includes the 40k rules for those two buggies, which we know people have.

 Togusa wrote:

 JimOnMars wrote:

 Togusa wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:

 deffrekka wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:
The stratagem (1/3 of the preview) was spoiled...by Games Workshop, a week ago.

And the Speedwaaagh! ability on the same article about the buggies that previewed that strat!

The only things "new" were the mek shop more dakka rule and the clan trait. But we already knew those from the leaks. Of course there are people who dont follow forums or hear/see these leaks so its entirely new to them, but it still doesnt excuse the fact they used 2 recycled preview items from a previous news article.

Imagine watching thursdays news and they tell you what happened last week on a tuesday...

Only the trait wasn't fully known since apparently they gain +1 to move advance and charge. 7 fething kits and scatter terrain, awesome rules and somehow still unhappy people prior to seeing any concrete points. Unreal.

Believe me I really, really don't want to start anything with anyone, so I'm just going to drop my comment and let it be what it is. But, yeah, the amount of whining coming from a segment of the Ork community is starting to get my goat. A lot of the comments are coming across like the rantings of a 9 year old who didn't get the exact toy he wanted for christmas. Spoiled and annoying. A lot of my personal, IRL ork friends are super happy with what they've seen so far.

Anyways, I noticed that Boyz, Lootas, and Nobz are "sold out" on the GW store, could there be more unrevealed kits?

I, for one, am absolutely thrilled at PL3 trukks, among other things. What makes me whine is that GW had a great opportunity to knock the ball out of the park with the buggies, and they fall on their ass and overpoint them.

They spent upwards of a million dollars sculpting these things, creating molds, and promoting the bejesus out of them. And they will probably break even, selling a few to sit on everyone's shelf. If I owned a gaming company, I would rather have people play with the models, not sit and gather dust. I guess I am upset that GW does not share my values.

I was also looking to support my FLGS with a big order, and I still might get some grots (about the only thing I don't have enough of) but that's it. Obviously, if we are all wrong about this, I'll put in for a bunch of them, but if not, i'll just use the models I have.

Or I will go to ebay and get FOUR old buggies instead of the one new one.

Has there ever been a case when the upgraded model in a line went up in points cost by a factor of FOUR?

Again, WHAT POINTS??? We've not seen any points yet. Just speculation based on PL nonsense.

I've never played or own Orks before, But I'm planning on ordering all 6 buggies and the new boss in December after I see the codex, see the full rules, all strats and points, etc. It just seems useless to speculate on something we haven't gotten confirmation about.

Also, I find it highly suspect that GW would invest in new kits, and not make them really, really good. Look at the Castellan, it wouldn't have sold if it didn't have super good rules.

here's the thing. a good portion of the player base follows your ideology. I like the models im gonna buy them anyway. The problem with that is when this happens, the sales figures won't reflect the rules and the actual players who want useable units get shafted. Good for you for not buying something on it's level of OP but from a sales standpoint GW can't realize they messed up when players are buying the kits anyway. It's the problem with the split in the Ork player base. If a knight had utter garbage rules, I could almost guarantee their sales would feel it.

the_scotsman wrote:
The same french youtubers who have correctly gotten a bunch of previous releases said that the Boosta-Blasta was 140 and the Dragsta was 110. Thats not speculation based on power level, because both of those are solidly higher than "Power level *20".

It would make sense for them to have those two points values if they have a pre-release copy of Speed Freeks, which includes the 40k rules for those two buggies, which we know people have.

The shokkjump dragsta is 6PL so 110 points is right in line with the lower end of that. It's just the KBB that's way off if true.

the speed freeks doesn't come with points. Just PL. I was told by a friend who already opened a copy.


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PiñaColada wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:
The same french youtubers who have correctly gotten a bunch of previous releases said that the Boosta-Blasta was 140 and the Dragsta was 110. Thats not speculation based on power level, because both of those are solidly higher than "Power level *20".

It would make sense for them to have those two points values if they have a pre-release copy of Speed Freeks, which includes the 40k rules for those two buggies, which we know people have.

The shokkjump dragsta is 6PL so 110 points is right in line with the lower end of that. It's just the KBB that's way off if true.

Again, I kinda feel like even at 110 points this is a little too much. I'd have probably grumpily agreed with 90 points. However, what will hurt is boyz if they go up in points. Even someone like me who just brings only 40boyz (which trust me... never last 2 turns) will have to add 40pts to their army!

So, if rumours are true, we could be looking at my list going up overall in points! In an army that was already being outnumbered and out dakkad by every faction I faced.

Again though... rumours are rumours so i still latch onto the hope that everything will be okay. I won't mind boyz going up in points if every single other unit goes down enough that it means my list goes down overall.

the_scotsman wrote:

 Togusa wrote:

 JimOnMars wrote:

 Togusa wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:

 deffrekka wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:
The stratagem (1/3 of the preview) was spoiled...by Games Workshop, a week ago.

And the Speedwaaagh! ability on the same article about the buggies that previewed that strat!

The only things "new" were the mek shop more dakka rule and the clan trait. But we already knew those from the leaks. Of course there are people who dont follow forums or hear/see these leaks so its entirely new to them, but it still doesnt excuse the fact they used 2 recycled preview items from a previous news article.

Imagine watching thursdays news and they tell you what happened last week on a tuesday...

Only the trait wasn't fully known since apparently they gain +1 to move advance and charge. 7 fething kits and scatter terrain, awesome rules and somehow still unhappy people prior to seeing any concrete points. Unreal.

Believe me I really, really don't want to start anything with anyone, so I'm just going to drop my comment and let it be what it is. But, yeah, the amount of whining coming from a segment of the Ork community is starting to get my goat. A lot of the comments are coming across like the rantings of a 9 year old who didn't get the exact toy he wanted for christmas. Spoiled and annoying. A lot of my personal, IRL ork friends are super happy with what they've seen so far.

Anyways, I noticed that Boyz, Lootas, and Nobz are "sold out" on the GW store, could there be more unrevealed kits?

I, for one, am absolutely thrilled at PL3 trukks, among other things. What makes me whine is that GW had a great opportunity to knock the ball out of the park with the buggies, and they fall on their ass and overpoint them.

They spent upwards of a million dollars sculpting these things, creating molds, and promoting the bejesus out of them. And they will probably break even, selling a few to sit on everyone's shelf. If I owned a gaming company, I would rather have people play with the models, not sit and gather dust. I guess I am upset that GW does not share my values.

I was also looking to support my FLGS with a big order, and I still might get some grots (about the only thing I don't have enough of) but that's it. Obviously, if we are all wrong about this, I'll put in for a bunch of them, but if not, i'll just use the models I have.

Or I will go to ebay and get FOUR old buggies instead of the one new one.

Has there ever been a case when the upgraded model in a line went up in points cost by a factor of FOUR?

Again, WHAT POINTS??? We've not seen any points yet. Just speculation based on PL nonsense.

I've never played or own Orks before, But I'm planning on ordering all 6 buggies and the new boss in December after I see the codex, see the full rules, all strats and points, etc. It just seems useless to speculate on something we haven't gotten confirmation about.

Also, I find it highly suspect that GW would invest in new kits, and not make them really, really good. Look at the Castellan, it wouldn't have sold if it didn't have super good rules.

The same french youtubers who have correctly gotten a bunch of previous releases said that the Boosta-Blasta was 140 and the Dragsta was 110. Thats not speculation based on power level, because both of those are solidly higher than "Power level *20".

It would make sense for them to have those two points values if they have a pre-release copy of Speed Freeks, which includes the 40k rules for those two buggies, which we know people have.

Yeah, and those points values are completely subject to change, just like the points costs for Dark Imperium units already changed in the Indexes (which came out at the same time?). Until we have a confirmed points value from the codex I'm going to take these point values with a spoonful of Having said that, pricing the exhaust flamers of the Boost-Blasta like 4 separate Burna's (56 points total?) would be... mildly ridiculous.

Well we will know in about 72 hours for sure... Here comes the Orkalypse... Either we'll fight our way to Ork heaven or end up in the awful ork hell for another 10 years... Where a squad of 30 boyz will lose against a squad of Necron Snipers in cc, the Stompa is a waste of plastic and you forget what anything does because of all the redundant rules.... *shivers as I remember 7th edition*.