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So, MSU Death Skull Lootaz or big mob Bad Moon lootaz? Or Free Bootaz Lootaz?

 Nightlord1987 wrote:
Death Skulls might have the better Nobz and Mega Nobz.

Maybe. If youre jumping/teleporting meganobz I think Evil Suns would still be better

 Billagio wrote:


EDIT: Whoops this was already mentioned by Malkyr, ill just let him report everything

Feel free to carry on, I wont be able to stay for most of the Codex discussion anyway so I'd appreciate someone recording what I miss!

I guess if you're playing with very serious WYSIWYG types when you use the wrecker stratagem you should also give any vehicles you destroy a quick spray with some blue paint...….

 Nightlord1987 wrote:
So, MSU Death Skull Lootaz or big mob Bad Moon lootaz? Or Free Bootaz Lootaz?

Bad Moon i'm certain - the 5+ DDD strat, plus reroll 1s will produce way more pain than the single reroll. Deathskullz for heavy hitting weapons.

does the loot it thing work for the transport the unit was in?

e.g. mega nobz in a truk you kill the truk an they jump out, whack on the stat they have now 1+ save (obv 1 always fails but good vs mods).

 Latro_ wrote:
does the loot it thing work for the transport the unit was in?

e.g. mega nobz in a truk you kill the truk an they jump out, whack on the stat they have now 1+ save (obv 1 always fails but good vs mods).

It does not specify enemy vehicles, so it would seem that you can totally loot your own vehicles.
Which makes sense, actually. Why wouldn't the Orks strip down their vehicles after it gets destroyed? I could totally see them doing that.

Doubt it, unit is not on table to be within 3" of transport when destroyed.

 bullyboy wrote:
Doubt it, unit is not on table to be within 3" of transport when destroyed.

The sequence of events is

1) unit explodes, resolve mortals if applicable.

2) unit gets out within 3", rolls for 1s to see if models die.

3) transport is 'destroyed' and removed from play.

So yeah, it works on the transport you were riding in.

 bullyboy wrote:
Doubt it, unit is not on table to be within 3" of transport when destroyed.

So if the unit is embarked when it's destroyed, can they loot their own transport?

So... the Ork Codex is actually coming out in NOVEMBER and not ORKTOBER? Speed Freaks is coming out just four days before November? What marketing genus at GW came up with that? LOL Looks like Orktober was a big Orkfailure.

Happy for the Ork players to finally get a proper Codex for 8th. The new buggies are fantastic and very Mad Max. The stratagems dropped so far seem very Orky, but far too random for my tastes. Other people love it though, and it's very much in the flavor of what GW presents the Orks as.

 TedNugent wrote:

 bullyboy wrote:
Doubt it, unit is not on table to be within 3" of transport when destroyed.

So if the unit is embarked when it's destroyed, can they loot their own transport?

Yes. Read the "transports' block in the rules. You get out before the vehicle is destroyed.

the_scotsman wrote:

 bullyboy wrote:
Doubt it, unit is not on table to be within 3" of transport when destroyed.

The sequence of events is

1) unit explodes, resolve mortals if applicable.

2) unit gets out within 3", rolls for 1s to see if models die.

3) transport is 'destroyed' and removed from play.

So yeah, it works on the transport you were riding in.

Alternatively, you could have 30 blood axes boys follow around something fragile, like a lone killa kan.
Killa kan gets destroyed, you activate Loot it. You now have 30 boys with 4+ armor saves. If they are 'ard boyz they now have 3+ saves.
For 3 CP you can field 30 3+ saves for 180 points. I understand now why the 'ard boy strat is 2CP.

 Tamwulf wrote:
So... the Ork Codex is actually coming out in NOVEMBER and not ORKTOBER? Speed Freaks is coming out just four days before November? What marketing genus at GW came up with that? LOL Looks like Orktober was a big Orkfailure.

Ok, that's it. Cancel the codex. Pack it in guys. GW is done.

i guess it comes down to when it counts as 'destroyed' its still there on the table when they get out of it and before its removed

the_scotsman wrote:

 bullyboy wrote:
Doubt it, unit is not on table to be within 3" of transport when destroyed.

The sequence of events is

1) unit explodes, resolve mortals if applicable.

2) unit gets out within 3", rolls for 1s to see if models die.

3) transport is 'destroyed' and removed from play.

So yeah, it works on the transport you were riding in.

I'd tend to agree with The_Scotsman... But it's one of the classic RAW/RAI interpretations that'll probably need a GW FAQ clarification. Else people could argue around in circles for days. It would make sense that it was intended to buff trukk boys. Because they are so useless pre-Codex.

Picking a clan is going to be damn hard.

I might have to flip a coin after doing best of three - with reflips.

"So he [Wazdakka] is not in the current Ork Codex because there is no model for him"

Straight from GW's mouth, in case anyone still doubted the "no model, no rules" policy.

as i said a few pages back multiple detachments focused on different clans is gonna be the standard IMO.

 Tamwulf wrote:
So... the Ork Codex is actually coming out in NOVEMBER and not ORKTOBER? Speed Freaks is coming out just four days before November? What marketing genus at GW came up with that? LOL Looks like Orktober was a big Orkfailure.

The genius who realised that if all the new stuff was released any earlier, they'd have no new content to post on the community site through the rest of the month.

 lolman1c wrote:
You're on an internet forums. A place specifically designed to express people opinions. If you don't like it then don't come on here or try post positive opinions rather bogging down the forums with the same copy pasted message resulting in my responding with the same copy pasted message.

I love the internet. There was nothing copy and paste in my post, or did you miss the part about I don’t frequent the forum? I was reading posts about how bad everything seems, mixed with posts about how this was typical of GW. That made me think all the books must be unbalanced and was more generally curious if ANY were. I don’t think I commented on the vaidity of anyone’s opinions. This is just a reminder of why I don’t frequent the forums. If you and I were standing in a shop having the same discussion, I imagine we’d have a pleasant exchange.

Man, this makes me regret the fact that the buggies aren't dual-kits with shared bitz. I would totally have bought a Trukk, made the second buggy out of the trukk skeleton, and modeled ten boyz all holding bits of the trukk to represent my post-Loot It trukk boyz.

Re-use the heads from the trukk sprues to have the gunner just holding the Big Shoota still in the trukk mount, have the driver head on an ork boy holding a steering wheel on a stick as his choppa, one boy holding the door as a shield...

 Kirasu wrote:
Just because Knights will be used, doesn't mean the person USING Knights understands how to play the game.

True. This also applies to the ork player.

We might learn some stuff about the release, but I doubt we'll learn a lot about tactics. I'll still be watching

Mandragola wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:
Just because Knights will be used, doesn't mean the person USING Knights understands how to play the game.

True. This also applies to the ork player.

We might learn some stuff about the release, but I doubt we'll learn a lot about tactics. I'll still be watching

I still remember I watched a preview game for the 8th ed Tsons codex and one of the players had a predator with a twin las turret, 2 heavy bolters and a combi-melta.

That was an exciting moment for me.

That's a really great point that it can be used by the units inside a transport, after the transport blows up - if it sticks and actually does work this way, well; my love for the strategem just went up.

Shame it's a 5+ for 2cp, but I guess it's something - especially if it works with the Blood Axe's cover.

Also @CthululsSpy; they could just not attack that lone Killa Kan, as in reality, it's not likely to do too much - but it's an interesting concept.

As far as the new Deathskulls preview - color me hyped. It seems like they've got winning strategems, and that re-roll trait - so much better than I ever could have hoped for. Not so great for large squads; but I'll gladly take it on KMK/Cannon units.

I'm curious how the 3cp Snakebite stratagem will work out versus the 2cp Wreckers; I guess it will come out to army composition and metagame; and what you want to teleport in - depending how you can build a list, but you may be able to have some versatility every game.

Orks will need a lot of CP it seems - looks like grots are back on the menu, Boyz.

 TedNugent wrote:
Picking a clan is going to be damn hard.

I might have to flip a coin after doing best of three - with reflips.

This. How lucky are we to have so many clans that seem viable?

With all the stratagems and options, it's going to take a while to fully digest the ork book.

With what we've heard so far, I believe we are at least mid-tier, even if there are some misses (what book doesn't have these?)

If GW does something against soup with CA, but leaves Ork Soup as-is, I'm liking our chances.

Points will tell all.

The guy talking about the Codex is saying he focuses a lot on tournaments and the competitive scene. Thinks the codex is going to be really competitive and disrupt the IK/Imperial Soup meta

fe40k wrote:
That's a really great point that it can be used by the units inside a transport, after the transport blows up - if it sticks and actually does work this way, well; my love for the strategem just went up.

Shame it's a 5+ for 2cp, but I guess it's something - especially if it works with the Blood Axe's cover.

Also @CthululsSpy; they could just not attack that lone Killa Kan, as in reality, it's not likely to do too much - but it's an interesting concept.

As far as the new Deathskulls preview - color me hyped. It seems like they've got winning strategems, and that re-roll trait - so much better than I ever could have hoped for. Not so great for large squads; but I'll gladly take it on KMK/Cannon units.

I'm curious how the 3cp Snakebite stratagem will work out versus the 2cp Wreckers; I guess it will come out to army composition and metagame; and what you want to teleport in - depending how you can build a list, but you may be able to have some versatility every game.

Orks will need a lot of CP it seems - looks like grots are back on the menu, Boyz.

Good thing I have 120 of those.

Also, Loot it! is 1CP, and it works on any infantry unit, not just boyz.

So, you know, 5+ boyz, or 3+ nobz, or 1+ Meganobz... With what we know about nobz (them getting a double-choppa option specifically, and this stratagem) i'm not seeing how they can be that underpowered. 10 nobz with double choppa and 3+ armor save throwing out 50 S4 attacks is pretty good.

 Trimarius wrote:
So Deathskulls are the new winner for the heavy guns detachment? Rerolling one hit, wound, and damage per phase per unit works out much better on all those individual KMKs, gets you the reroll wounds and ten tankbusta bombs, and isn't too shabby on anything else with a big gun (or powerful melee attacks, really). The 6++ is just icing.

To be fair that grenade strategem didn't say Deathskullz strategem so it will be available to all kulturs.

Wartike Confirmed 120 points all wargear included. Likely can get first turn charge all the time. Quoted stats are basically what was leaked



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ere we go confirmed to be either dice, not just both


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Confirmed you dont need to rebase your models to 32mm. 25mm is still supported