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lolman1c wrote: okay, this is kinda stupid. The Kombi-weapon with rokkit is 12pts (great! 8pts deduction like it should be!) But the rokkit launcha (the exact same thing) is still 12pts... huh...
EldarExarch wrote: Has the changes to the Traktor cannon been discussed? See the Tabletop Tactics batrep for the confirmation.
They are 1 shot each, STR 8 Ap -2 D6DMG
However they HIT automatically, and if the target is a flyer they roll 2 D6 for dmg and choose the highest. Additionally if a unit with FLY keyword is destroyed by this gun they AUTOMATICALLY blow up.
All of this for ONLY 45 points. Spamming these is going to be absolutely INSANE.
When you say flyer, do you mean as in it has the flyer battlefield role, or it has the fly keyword?
Because if its the latter, it would be really dangerous against necrons, Tau, Eldar and Dark Eldar, as a lot of their vehicles and best units have Fly.
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EldarExarch wrote: Has the changes to the Traktor cannon been discussed? See the Tabletop Tactics batrep for the confirmation.
They are 1 shot each, STR 8 Ap -2 D6DMG
However they HIT automatically, and if the target is a flyer they roll 2 D6 for dmg and choose the highest. Additionally if a unit with FLY keyword is destroyed by this gun they AUTOMATICALLY blow up.
All of this for ONLY 45 points. Spamming these is going to be absolutely INSANE.
When you say flyer, do you mean as in it has the flyer battlefield role, or it has the fly keyword?
Because if its the latter, it would be really dangerous against necrons, Tau, Eldar and Dark Eldar, as a lot of their vehicles and best units have Fly.
Previous one was against keyword FLY. I don't imagine it has changed.
lolman1c wrote: okay, this is kinda stupid. The Kombi-weapon with rokkit is 12pts (great! 8pts deduction like it should be!) But the rokkit launcha (the exact same thing) is still 12pts... huh...
If you're firing the shoota at the same time then the rokkit is -1 to hit, so it's not exactly a huge improvement.
gungo wrote: What’s the price of nob bikers or someone please send me a pm w points link.
38 without gear if I'm reading the link from a few posts back correctly. So depending on Stabba, Big Choppa or PK should end up at around 45-50 a pop.
38
Big Choppa is 5
Stabba is 3
PK is 13
So 41 for stabba, 43 for big choppa and 51 for PK. Seems passable but not hyper-competitive to me. Think I'll make my Speed Freek Bikers into Nobs to gloriously charge into CC T1 along with a Wartrike Kind of wondering if I should give them Big Choppa's or Klaws.
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lolman1c wrote: okay, this is kinda stupid. The Kombi-weapon with rokkit is 12pts (great! 8pts deduction like it should be!) But the rokkit launcha (the exact same thing) is still 12pts... huh...
If you're firing the shoota at the same time then the rokkit is -1 to hit, so it's not exactly a huge improvement.
It\s still better weapon even if it's marginal benefit so them being identical price IS stupid. Minor effect but then again 12 pts for rokkit launcha is ridiculously expensive anyway so the stupidity is rokkit being still 12 pts.
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14 point nobs seems great to me. Basically 1 armor less than marines but an extra wound, extra strength and two extra attacks, for 1 point? If choppa still gives an attack, it's 3 extra attacks. Yes, please.
The Burna Trukk is a thing again. Cheap as chips and can use the shoot twice stratagem. With the cp, 48 auto hits. Yes, please.
Koptas are vastly cheaper. Not sure if two mobile rockkets at bs5+ are worth 54, though.
Lootas still half the value of autocannons. Why, GW, Why?
Trukks. Cheap enough to be mobile walls, even with nothing in them. Yes Please!
Funny how GW wants you to have certain things in your list, and take certain things out.
So my Dredd Mob list went down by about 243 points. That is so much vastly better than I could have possibly hoped. Not to mention price drops to nobs and well... just about everything I wanted a price drop for.
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tneva82 wrote: Wish codex would have been as good as videos. Seems GW only hires competent people at the marketing department(plus Duncan)
Up till now codex looks pretty decent really. Doesn't look like it's going to destroy top tournament tables but that's hardly something to judge a codex by IMO. There's a nice bunch of mean tricks in there (especially in the "get warbikers and big walkers in CC" department) and marked improvements to shooting as well to make Orks more varied than just Green Tide. My only complaints thus far are the Squigbuggy (should be around 100 like the rest of 'em) and Stompa (but maybe IK just need a general price hike... how does it hold up against non-Knight LoWs? Still Stompa should've been around 750 including all gubbinz probably).
Well did the maths... because I only run like 40boyz and mainly run heavry stuff my list went from 2096 pts to 1927pts... so that's cool.. 169pts means I can comfortably add some stuff hear and there... I will be replacing my painboy for another weirdboy though... not only is he cheaper but 2 weirdboyz will mean i can run a snakebites detachment no problem.
lolman1c wrote: okay, this is kinda stupid. The Kombi-weapon with rokkit is 12pts (great! 8pts deduction like it should be!) But the rokkit launcha (the exact same thing) is still 12pts... huh...
If you're firing the shoota at the same time then the rokkit is -1 to hit, so it's not exactly a huge improvement.
It\s still better weapon even if it's marginal benefit so them being identical price IS stupid. Minor effect but then again 12 pts for rokkit launcha is ridiculously expensive anyway so the stupidity is rokkit being still 12 pts.
yeah, I can just not fire both and have the option to decide and still keep the 5bs. Also overwatch is better.
Funny how GW wants you to have certain things in your list, and take certain things out.
I don't think it has anything to do with that, because you and I value Lootas differently - especially if they are indeed 4+ armor.
You keep saying that word (4+). I don't think it means what you think it means.
WHERE ARE YOU GETTING THAT?
Out of thin air. It's been confirmed multiple times they are unchanged. Only way to get 4+ would be looted strategem(good luck ensuring you have vehicle blow next to them BEFORE they get shot and...well having one of your vehicles destroyed is generally bad to begin with....) and cover.
Lootas suck. They sucked before and they didn't get buffed here. They didn't get nerfed which is surprise but at least something.
Honestly, my true opinion is happy and sad. I'm extremely lucky GW wants my army to be the new thing so honestly most of my stuff got points reductions. (the dakka jet didn't but I'll live).
However, I'm also upset because other ork players have basically had their army nerfed because a few people at tournaments like to spam... and I'm not talking about boyz (even though people will have had their points go up by 100+pts or so). But the +8pts to painboy and warboss for me just kinda seems useless. (it's not a nerf to stop anyone from taking more, just kinda annoying.
plus the big mek in mega armour getting no adjustments (making me take a a 30pts more expensive model just because). I mean the teckmarine has a 2+ save and basically the same weapon with the same amount of attack... kinda seems weird how he is 57pts with everything and our mega one is 77pts before weapons! (mine is 113pts in total... so I'll just be taking the big mek from index just for the kff... or I might just not even take a big mek anymore. XD )
Yesterdays battle report did make me over react a lot (I admit that now) but I still feel the is real criticism to be had with this codex.
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Out of thin air. It's been confirmed multiple times they are unchanged. Only way to get 4+ would be looted strategem(good luck ensuring you have vehicle blow next to them BEFORE they get shot and...well having one of your vehicles destroyed is generally bad to begin with....) and cover.
Lootas suck. They sucked before and they didn't get buffed here. They didn't get nerfed which is surprise but at least something.
Yea, not out of thin air. It's been floating around for a bit now.
Confirmed like how the GMG video didn't show that Burnas or MANZ changed points?
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An Orks v Knight battle report. I haven't watched it yet, so I have no idea what the lists are but the players are at least a bit more well versed in their armies than yesterdays stream. Could be fun to see what they bring to combat kights (hopefully not that darn stompa)
Well knights won but surprisingly little left. Then again full knight army isn't most competive army to begin with and suffers most vs deep striking stuff so that plays to orks side. Also 50-50 roll with 30 boyz DZ charging worked so half the time that doesn't. Ork player was also moving at times incorrectly like moving bunch of grots, THEN moving weirdboy and then moving rest of grots creating circle through which weirdboy couldn't move though not sure how much moves like these would affect.
Also what was up with knight player CHAAAAAAAARGE attitude? He was worried about getting outshot by orks? Rushing into h2h just seems like playing to orks hand. Especially with deep strike coming in so stuff like charge all knights with zero overwatch became possibility. Why didn't knights initially stand back and shoot stuff dead from range rather than rush toward h2h ASAP? (also harpoon vs trukk rather than battlewagon?). Seems like typical GW BR intended to showcase faction rather than maximising efficiency.
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"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!"
looking at the pts, its quality makes it hard to tell some pts, but it looks like the killakan is now 40pts, and down 11pts from the index.
i run dreddmob. im glad to see the pts redutions in both kans/dredds/meganobz. the gmorkanaut is nice to have a reduction with extra shots but im not sure its enough to boost them to competitive level (out side of telyporting the gorkanaut right into the enemies face for maximum smashing).
im kinda confused on the purpose of the kan/dredd getting so many melee options. i get that it gives us options for anti tank or anti infantry, but why?
all our new kits are monobuild.not a single upgrade. why all of the sudden this increase in the options for this existing kit? unless your getting a new kit of them then you will have to change the claws on all your kans/dredds becasue back when you made them they were just the one wpn. im glad we have the options, but confused.
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Seems the 140 points- doomsayers fears were unfounded after all.
Kind of wondering if I should give them Big Choppa's or Klaws.
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