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 Haighus wrote:
How good are tankbuster bomms, especially in comparison to stikkbomms? Is it much of a benefit to "suddenly" have them in Boyz and Kommando mobs?

They are great and one of our best damage profiles:
d3 str8 ap-2 d6 only issue is 6in range...and the fact kommandos still need to hit with their shooting!

This is assuming same profile

Grenade d3 s8 ap-2 D6 damage. That's pretty solid for a freebie boost to those units anti tank power, and something to actually talk about when you think about a unit of tankbustas using that grenade strat with rerolls to hit vs vehicles.

Oh yeah a unit of tankbustas can now casually double their damage within 6" for 1cp? Sounds pretty tasty.

Another thought about a headscratcher nerf: Runtherds currently give GRETCHIN units a reroll of 1 to hit. If that rule is unchanged that applies to Killa Kanz. I'd be ok with that. Also, the Snakebites warlord trait gives Killa Kanz immunity to morale within 12. Since you don't care about kultur if you're running kan wall, Snakebites for morale immunity on your now 45pt minimum Kanz is pretty aces (down from 57 minimum in codex.)

apparently tank bustas have been nerfed. They now only re roll ones against vehicles not reroll everything? Can someone confirm that please? If so this is a gigantic nerf for Tank bustas!

I just laught loud when I saw the boyz can aslo have
tankbuster bomms for 0 additionnal cost!
3 in a unit of 30, with 3 rokkits, now we are talking!

Thing are looking better.

mortar_crew wrote:
I just laught loud when I saw the boyz can aslo have
tankbuster bomms for 0 additionnal cost!
3 in a unit of 30, with 3 rokkits, now we are talking!

Thing are looking better.

for 0 you might as well take them, do they replace any weapons?

 lolman1c wrote:
apparently tank bustas have been nerfed. They now only re roll ones against vehicles not reroll everything? Can someone confirm that please? If so this is a gigantic nerf for Tank bustas!

Pretty sure that guy just made a random reading error. I squinted at the codex in the video for a minute and I'm sure there is no "of 1" printed in that sentence.

This coded sounds kinda knee jerk reaction where they nerfed units people were using and tried to boost some units people weren’t without any real idea of balance.
So people are using Boyz, warbosses, painboyz, stormboys, KMK Mek guns? Nerf
People aren’t using Gretchin, deff dreads, nauts, trukks, meganobs or kommandos anymore? Buff

Saying that there is definitely a decent build or two in this codex...Boyz blobs can still work kinda....dreads have a usable but not competitive build, and trukk Boyz might have a roll as well, none of those seem truly competitive though... i think the competitive lists are going to lean heavily in the index (and index costs) using warboss on bike w relic klaw, painboy on bike w lukky stikk, zhardsnark, trike boss, skar Boyz w Gretchin screen as a base. Maybe morkanaut and maybe kommandos if recent leaks are true.

gungo wrote:
i think the competitive lists are going to lean heavily in the index using warboss on bike w relic klaw, painboy on bike w lukky stikk, zhardsnark, trike boss, skar Boyz w Gretchin screen as a base.

Maybe that works in the States, but here in Europe the Index units are effectively banned, because the ETC forbids them and the entire competitive scene follows ETC.

It looks some good stuff in the 'Dex, along with some strange point gains. (painboy, runtherds?)

However, what I am most frustrated about are the removal of options. Both in terms of models; non MANz Big mek with KFF, (MANz Warboss, all warbiker HQ's etc.) and the kits with no alternate options. (All the buggies.)

One of the strengths of Geedubs in the past was that it allowed you construct your models with what you thought was best (competitive,) or what looks coolest, (casual.) I guess those days are gone. I really don't want a world of one kit, no options going forward for any factions....

 lord_blackfang wrote:

gungo wrote:
i think the competitive lists are going to lean heavily in the index using warboss on bike w relic klaw, painboy on bike w lukky stikk, zhardsnark, trike boss, skar Boyz w Gretchin screen as a base.

Maybe that works in the States, but here in Europe the Index units are effectively banned, because the ETC forbids them and the entire competitive scene follows ETC.

Ouch that sucks to bad even warhammer workd allows the index as well as the itc, maybe that will change when the last few armies get thier books.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

gungo wrote:
i think the competitive lists are going to lean heavily in the index using warboss on bike w relic klaw, painboy on bike w lukky stikk, zhardsnark, trike boss, skar Boyz w Gretchin screen as a base.

Maybe that works in the States, but here in Europe the Index units are effectively banned, because the ETC forbids them and the entire competitive scene follows ETC.

Yeah, few places here also said you can;t use anything from the index in their tournaments.

Here's a list of points changes from INDEX (NOT CA) to codex.

Battlewagon Down 40
Gunwagon/Bonecrusha added down 20 from battlewagon
Deff dread down 19
Flash git up 4 (rumored 4+ armor, S6 ap-2 D2 gun)
Gorkanaut down 45
Morkanaut down 50
Killa kan down 11
Mek gunz Down 7, now (?) Include krew in price
Trukk down 21
Stompa down 50
Snikrot up 1 (he was just oooone point too good)
Ghaz up 20
Mad dok up 15
Boyz up 1
Stormboyz up 1
Warboss up 10
Burna Boyz down 2
Nobz down 3
Noy bikes down 4
Warbikes down 4
Painboy up 12(? Illegible)
Runtherd up 9
Deffcopta down 25
Meganobz now 20

Big shootas down 1 (tl version down 4)
Bubblechukka down 3
Killkannon down 13
Kombirokkit down 8
Kombiscorcha down 2
Kopta rokkit down 4
Kmk up 22
Kombishoota down 2
Sag down 20
Traktor up 15
TBS down 4
Big Choppa down 4
Dred Klaws down 15 on first
Dred saw added at 10, kan klaw still 0, drilla added at 0 (new kan weapons)
Killsaw down 13/15
Pk down 12

Flash git up 4 (rumored 4+ armor, S6 ap-2 D2 gun)

This is very much confirmed.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

Flash git up 4 (rumored 4+ armor, S6 ap-2 D2 gun)

This is very much confirmed.

All of it or just the points cost?

omg YEEEEES! ork boys get free tankbusta bombs in each squad!!! I take the 1pt increase anyday for this!

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

Flash git up 4 (rumored 4+ armor, S6 ap-2 D2 gun)

This is very much confirmed.

All of it or just the points cost?

All of it. Lootas on 4+ is still unknown. Scorpions video makes it too hard to see if it's 4+ or 6+.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

Flash git up 4 (rumored 4+ armor, S6 ap-2 D2 gun)

This is very much confirmed.

All of it or just the points cost?

All of it. Lootas on 4+ is still unknown. Scorpions video makes it too hard to see if it's 4+ or 6+.

Cool.

Gitdakka wrote:
omg YEEEEES! ork boys get free tankbusta bombs in each squad!!! I take the 1pt increase anyday for this!

Correct - 1 in 10. 0 points.

the_scotsman wrote:
Here's a list of points changes from INDEX (NOT CA) to codex.

Battlewagon Down 40
Gunwagon/Bonecrusha added down 20 from battlewagon
Deff dread down 19
Flash git up 4 (rumored 4+ armor, S6 ap-2 D2 gun)
Gorkanaut down 45
Morkanaut down 50
Killa kan down 11
Mek gunz Down 7, now (?) Include krew in price
Trukk down 21
Stompa down 50
Snikrot up 1 (he was just oooone point too good)
Ghaz up 20
Mad dok up 15
Boyz up 1
Stormboyz up 1
Warboss up 10
Burna Boyz down 2
Nobz down 3
Noy bikes down 4
Warbikes down 4
Painboy up 12(? Illegible)
Runtherd up 9
Deffcopta down 25
Meganobz now 20

Big shootas down 1 (tl version down 4)
Bubblechukka down 3
Killkannon down 13
Kombirokkit down 8
Kombiscorcha down 2
Kopta rokkit down 4
Kmk up 22
Kombishoota down 2
Sag down 20
Traktor up 15
TBS down 4
Big Choppa down 4
Dred Klaws down 15 on first
Dred saw added at 10, kan klaw still 0, drilla added at 0 (new kan weapons)
Killsaw down 13/15
Pk down 12

Gaaaah! Ork army nerfed into oblivion when it needed buffs!!!! /Sarcasm

Local group are quite excited by the Traktor Cannon auto hitting. Thinking is it’s a decent counter to Venom Spam.

Gitdakka wrote:
omg YEEEEES! ork boys get free tankbusta bombs in each squad!!! I take the 1pt increase anyday for this!

Same here, all these rules to boot!
Take your 1 point increase, I will take 30 boyz bands!!

Thanks for the info folks. So ladz are basically forced to pay 10 points for the bomb. Thats not great, but it is better than just goimg up 1pt per model for nothing!

 davou wrote:


Gaaaah! Ork army nerfed into oblivion when it needed buffs!!!! /Sarcasm

The lack of sarcasm tag would have made that post indistinguishable from "real" ork posters.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

Flash git up 4 (rumored 4+ armor, S6 ap-2 D2 gun)

This is very much confirmed.

All of it or just the points cost?

They were already 4+ armour in the index it must be noted.


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 Haighus wrote:
Thanks for the info folks. So ladz are basically forced to pay 10 points for the bomb. Thats not great, but it is better than just goimg up 1pt per model for nothing!

Yeah, I can live with that.

 Haighus wrote:
Thanks for the info folks. So ladz are basically forced to pay 10 points for the bomb. Thats not great, but it is better than just goimg up 1pt per model for nothing!

Looking over the changes, Boyz blobz got a heavy hit while trukk Boyz came out looking pretty solid. The only exception is the one big blob you pop in with da jump to distract and clear chaff - they get a fight twice strat and improved odds to get in. Mob up 30 and 10 and da jump them in, watch them tear up.

Everything nobz got some long, sensuous loving with points drops in all directions and a couple really interesting new build options particularly double Choppa nobz. 12 double Choppa nobz looting their trukk as they leave throw 61 S5 attacks, W2 3+ save for 14ppm.

We iz da best assault Marines!


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Edit: check your index lolman.

4+ on nobz, 6+ on flash git.

the_scotsman wrote:

 Haighus wrote:
Thanks for the info folks. So ladz are basically forced to pay 10 points for the bomb. Thats not great, but it is better than just goimg up 1pt per model for nothing!

Looking over the changes, Boyz blobz got a heavy hit while trukk Boyz came out looking pretty solid. The only exception is the one big blob you pop in with da jump to distract and clear chaff - they get a fight twice strat and improved odds to get in. Mob up 30 and 10 and da jump them in, watch them tear up.

Everything nobz got some long, sensuous loving with points drops in all directions and a couple really interesting new build options particularly double Choppa nobz. 12 double Choppa nobz looting their trukk as they leave throw 61 S5 attacks, W2 3+ save for 14ppm.

We iz da best assault Marines!


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Edit: check your index lolman.

4+ on nobz, 6+ on flash git.

sorry, i was looking at their BS+ for some reason. XD

yeah, I basically figured out I can improve my boyz horde over all (when I finally paint um up) by taking two weird boyz, giving them +1A, da jumping them, making them snake bites and attacking twice. Plus a 9" away lets me throw the 3 bombs and fire 3 rokkits... I do like what the codex is allowing me to abuse. XD I just feel bad for mah mates lootas. XD

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 davou wrote:


Gaaaah! Ork army nerfed into oblivion when it needed buffs!!!! /Sarcasm

The lack of sarcasm tag would have made that post indistinguishable from "real" ork posters.

They're absolutely exhausting. Math when it suits then, anecdotes when it doesen't and dismissal without consideration of any dissent from the dissent.

 Rinkydink wrote:
It looks some good stuff in the 'Dex, along with some strange point gains. (painboy, runtherds?)

However, what I am most frustrated about are the removal of options. Both in terms of models; non MANz Big mek with KFF, (MANz Warboss, all warbiker HQ's etc.) and the kits with no alternate options. (All the buggies.)

One of the strengths of Geedubs in the past was that it allowed you construct your models with what you thought was best (competitive,) or what looks coolest, (casual.) I guess those days are gone. I really don't want a world of one kit, no options going forward for any factions....

Hey, now, the trike boss has an alternative head for the driver! What other options could Orks possibly need?!

+1A and da jump has been attempted since index came out. It sounds good but a) it requires 2 weirdboys that have habit of perilling so it's basically 1 time trick reliably. Then it's 50-50 whether unit charges or will get vaporised. Any chaff will make that useless. And frankly in most cases if you get that charge you don't NEED that warpath. You don't even need choppa. Shoota mob will do just fine. Issue isn't generally with # of attacks. It's been getting there safely. Foot slogging in a game where sub-standard gunline deletes 60+ model a turn isn't working and da jump is 50-50 of charge or simply get deleted(and make model deletion rate FASTER so you lose more than 60 model per turn you da jump boyz ahead). That or you are up against something like knight where you struggle anyway. Even warpathed choppa unit will do just 6 wounds with choppas.

The klan to use is, as with basically everything that involves h2h in new codex, evil sun. Then it's actually better than 50-50 do you get to charge(most likely chaff) or will you simply get deleted.

Unless that fight twice strategem is snakebite only there's no reason to take snakebite for that. Evil sun is the alaitoc of ork codex. And frankly...Fight twice 50-50 odds or fight once reliably?

Hi All

Hopefully this will help with the discussion on reviewing the index points v codex points for base model cost (I haven't had the time to do the wargear yet)



I've done this from the photo leaks but its hard to read some of the numbers, any mistakes let me know.