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During my last game of 40K I had cast Wings of Sanguinius on my Librarian Dreadnought and placed him atop of the ruins. Now according to the Errata this is a legal move because he gained the FLY keyword from the psychic spell.

Page 248– Ruins
Change the first paragraph of rules text to read:
‘Unless they can Fly, Vehicles, Monsters, Cavalry
and Bikers can only be set up or end their move on
the ground floor of ruins.

Now my following psychic phase my psychic power was denied. So he no longer had the FLY keyword and this is where the disagreement occurred. My opponent thought that my Dreadnought should be immediately destroyed and removed from the game. I felt that was a bit harsh of a result, and argued that the Dreadnought had already been placed the turn before and I wasn't breaking the rule because I wasn't ending my movement nor was it being placed. Ultimately we could not come to an agreed result so we rolled off on it and kept playing. There was no yelling or tantrums but we both agreed we should seek an expert opinion. So I emailed G Dub and got a "ain't nobody got time for that " response. Which brings me here, hoping maybe a fresh set of eyes could help.

Sitting on the ruins doesn't violate any rules. You're only restricted to moving him there.

Agreed. If he's there already legally, as long as you don't move him and try to keep him up there. If you could reach the ground level, you could move him to the ground, or if you got Wings on him in a later turn he could move normally again.

Saying the dread would be immediately destroyed and taken out of the game has no basis in the rules.

Your friend was horribly misinformed, to the point where I feel he was intentionally trying to cheat you. The rules are explicitly clear, "Unless they can Fly, Vehicles, Monsters, Cavalry and Bikers can only be set up or end their move on the ground floor of ruins."

Nothing prevents the Dreadnought from being on the top floor of a ruin, only ending their move there.

Thanks for the replies. I completely agree with all of you. I felt fortunate to have won the roll off and believed we handled in a fair way.

While I agree with the comments above, I could certainly see the other side of this *if* you attempted to move the Dread.

As you cannot deploy or "end your move" in on an upper level of ruins, one could argue that the Dread could not make legal move, even if you stayed at the same level.
So by "beginning" your move, you have no legal way to "end the move" unless you have enough movement to end on the ground floor.
If you don't have enough movement to do so, what happens?

Of course the logical answer would be to just not move with the Dread at all if you cannot legal end its move. Problem solved, but I can kinda see why your opponent could have thought it would get destroyed, especially if he played in prior editions in which models that could not be placed for various reasons would be destroyed.

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especially if he played in prior editions in which models that could not be placed for various reasons would be destroyed.

Ya, I think his knee-jerk reaction to destroy it was based from the carryover from older editions. I don't think he was trying to cheat me. With that said I also believe I caught him off-guard with the move and it might have had a little panic sprinkled in as well.

Solution clear: in your next movement phase the dread must move off the upper levels and either down to ground level or anywhere else.

I had to go read Wings of sanguinus; and your dread was allowed to remain up there during your movement phase before your failed power usage., it is just the next one that he is not allowed to end his movement there(Note: the rules only deny "setting up or ending their move" on upper levels, with the right amount of movement you can totally move up and over or down ruins with no problem.). So if you are within 6" of the ground floor you can just jump straight down(hurray nebulous terrain rules!)

 Kommissar Kel wrote:
Solution clear: in your next movement phase the dread must move off the upper levels and either down to ground level or anywhere else.

I had to go read Wings of sanguinus; and your dread was allowed to remain up there during your movement phase before your failed power usage., it is just the next one that he is not allowed to end his movement there(Note: the rules only deny "setting up or ending their move" on upper levels, with the right amount of movement you can totally move up and over or down ruins with no problem.). So if you are within 6" of the ground floor you can just jump straight down(hurray nebulous terrain rules!)

Why would he have to move off? The rules only forbid setting up there and ending a move there. If he doesn't move then he is doing neither of these and can stay there without breaking any rules (there is a difference between a move and a movement phase). Also if you say he has to move down in his next movement what happens if he doesn't have a long enough move?

He can remain stationary or move down

U02dah4 wrote:
He can remain stationary or move down

Correct, but remember that it needs to have the movement to do so.
A dread with a 2.5" base and 6" move would need to move at least 5.5" to clear the distance of their base and 3' down (assuming a 3" level).
In that case, if there is more that .5" between the edge of the Dread's base and the edge of the level it is on, it will not have sufficient movement to reach the ground floor, meaning it cannot "end its move' outside of the ruin.
In these cases, you would have to remain stationary rather that start the Dreads move.

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 roflmajog wrote:

 Kommissar Kel wrote:
Solution clear: in your next movement phase the dread must move off the upper levels and either down to ground level or anywhere else.

I had to go read Wings of sanguinus; and your dread was allowed to remain up there during your movement phase before your failed power usage., it is just the next one that he is not allowed to end his movement there(Note: the rules only deny "setting up or ending their move" on upper levels, with the right amount of movement you can totally move up and over or down ruins with no problem.). So if you are within 6" of the ground floor you can just jump straight down(hurray nebulous terrain rules!)

Why would he have to move off? The rules only forbid setting up there and ending a move there. If he doesn't move then he is doing neither of these and can stay there without breaking any rules (there is a difference between a move and a movement phase). Also if you say he has to move down in his next movement what happens if he doesn't have a long enough move?

Exactly. People keep equating "end its move" with "end of movement phase". If it remains stationary, there was no move started, therefore no move was ended.

Looking back at the movement phase; you do not have to select every unit to move or remain stationary. I thought you did for some reason.