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I'm thinking about what I should add to my list for this week. I'm up against a t-sons player, and this is what I got thus far.

Batallion - World Eaters

Exalted Champion w/ Power Axe - 75p
Dark Apostle w/ Power Maul - 74p

10x Cultists w/ Autoguns
9x Khorne Berzerkers w/ Icon of Wrath, Power Fist, 8 Chain Axes - 174
9x Khorne Berzerkers w/ Icon of Wrath, Power Fist, 8 Chain Axes - 174

Rhino w/ Havoc Launcher, Combi-Bolter - 83
Rhino w/ Havoc Launcher, Combi-Bolter - 83

Helbrute w/ Plasma Cannon, Missile Launcher - 127

I have 670 points remaining. Should I bolster my army with some backline like predators and skull cannons, or should I go balls to the wall with melee, and add in some stuff like bloodletters and skarbrand?

Depends, thousand sons will bring smite, is he bringing magnus?
Blob the Cultist squad to 40, tide of traitors still exists and still let's you recycle 160 pts aswell as making them mobile. Probably Safe to bring more cultists just for bubblewrap.

Maybee a daemon prince with wings for distraction carnifex duties?
Autocannon havocs for fluff and for anti heavy infantery and Monster duty?
Kyborgs? (granted no slaneshi ones)
Mutilators (i mean they dropped in price, massively, still terrible looking models)
Defiler kitted for melee?

You could also let some points blank to allow you to summon daemons, bloodletters could probably be good and you nearly can't fail to summon them.

No magnus, and good idea about the cultists.

 vaklor4 wrote:
No magnus, and good idea about the cultists.

When in doubt bring more fodder.
1x 40Cultist blob for tide and trolling and some smaller 10 man Cultist squads can do wonders.
Maybee consider a second detachment? A battalion only costs 120 for cultists in min tax form and could allow for more hq choices, warpsmiths for exemple, if you decide to run another hellbrute or vehicle can really pull their weight.

Not Online!!! wrote:

 vaklor4 wrote:
No magnus, and good idea about the cultists.

When in doubt bring more fodder.
1x 40Cultist blob for tide and trolling and some smaller 10 man Cultist squads can do wonders.
Maybee consider a second detachment? A battalion only costs 120 for cultists in min tax form and could allow for more hq choices, warpsmiths for exemple, if you decide to run another hellbrute or vehicle can really pull their weight.

The issue then is that it more seems like a gun line at that point...Which kind of defeats the purpose of bringing an assault army. Remember im not playing black legion, my army heavily benefits from a frontal assault style, with backline support being a secondary thing.

 vaklor4 wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 vaklor4 wrote:
No magnus, and good idea about the cultists.

When in doubt bring more fodder.
1x 40Cultist blob for tide and trolling and some smaller 10 man Cultist squads can do wonders.
Maybee consider a second detachment? A battalion only costs 120 for cultists in min tax form and could allow for more hq choices, warpsmiths for exemple, if you decide to run another hellbrute or vehicle can really pull their weight.

The issue then is that it more seems like a gun line at that point...Which kind of defeats the purpose of bringing an assault army. Remember im not playing black legion, my army heavily benefits from a frontal assault style, with backline support being a secondary thing.

Warpsmiths have, flamers, meltas and energy axes, and mechatentacles, both guns are short ranged weapons, they also profit from the legion trait whilest providing utility for hellbrutes and rhinos whilest they have a 2+ armor.
40man blob can be used to screen, die, tide, shoot and then charge, they also profit from the butchers nail, also since you bring an Apostel might aswell bring some core synergy units for him. The reason why i suggest this, is the fact that Inferno ammo will cut through you like Butter aswell as the smites. Your only protection against that for your Berserkers are the rhinos and nothing else. Take some more smaller Cultist squads which you can use offensively and cover your hellbrute / tie down stuff and you have an additional layer of protection. Additionally just because cultists have autoguns does not mean that after shooting a charge is not worth it. In fact since the butchers nails affect cultists makes them a really decent allrounder unit. (what else are Bajonetts for?)
This is also why i recommend a daemon prince with a Blade and wings. He will draw fire whilest still beeing cheap enough and provids general mobility.

I generally prefer claws, but honestly all three DPs are fantastic. And I do agree that it seems to me that inferno ammo will melt my guys without proper protection.

Perhaps I should bring a helbrute with a power scourge? It has all the right tools to murder rubric marines, and is a good distraction to protect my rhinos further.

You could technically also leave points over and use them as reeinforcement points. summoning bloodletters is a possibility and they can deal reliably with heavily armored infantry.
For 350pts you'd get 50 blood letters, that could be very usefull to summon in a pinch.


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 vaklor4 wrote:
I generally prefer claws, but honestly all three DPs are fantastic. And I do agree that it seems to me that inferno ammo will melt my guys without proper protection.

Perhaps I should bring a helbrute with a power scourge? It has all the right tools to murder rubric marines, and is a good distraction to protect my rhinos further.

Actually, just food for thought, take the melee defiler and one warpsmith behind it and walk in your enemies directon.
You get a battlecannon and a reaper autocannon out of it. A huge melee danger relatively cheap and most importantly a really though unit since the defiler can heal itself and gets more Backup through the warpsmith.

Also don't be confused if i reccomend more fodder for the grinder, kinda the Modus operandi if you play a khorne R&h army.
Khorne is pleased either way, just don't forget to charge with your cultists.

I unfortunatly do not own a melee defiler. I use mine with a havoc launcher/lascannon, to pretty good effect. I just didnt see the point, seeing as most of my army is built for melee already.

 vaklor4 wrote:
I unfortunatly do not own a melee defiler. I use mine with a havoc launcher/lascannon, to pretty good effect. I just didnt see the point, seeing as most of my army is built for melee already.

Well the crab claws still work right
But Yeah in that case probably a tad to expensive for sending on a hail Mary rush. ..
In any case the most common dakka khorne armies field are autocannons, do you have a hellbrute with a reaper and a scourge?
A dakkafiend could also do good.
A melee hellbrute with a scourge could work well btw. You just have to get them there.
Would something speak against a 3rd khorne Berserker squad with Rhino to transport the warpsmith for hellbrute babysitting duty and flaming stuff?

Not Online!!! wrote:

 vaklor4 wrote:
I unfortunatly do not own a melee defiler. I use mine with a havoc launcher/lascannon, to pretty good effect. I just didnt see the point, seeing as most of my army is built for melee already.

Well the crab claws still work right
But Yeah in that case probably a tad to expensive for sending on a hail Mary rush. ..
In any case the most common dakka khorne armies field are autocannons, do you have a hellbrute with a reaper and a scourge?
A dakkafiend could also do good.
A melee hellbrute with a scourge could work well btw. You just have to get them there.
Would something speak against a 3rd khorne Berserker squad with Rhino to transport the warpsmith for hellbrute babysitting duty and flaming stuff?

I'd have to tally up my number of Berzerkers, most of my models are not at home atm so im sorta low on my Zerker boys atm But yeah, a third bus with a warpsmith may be good too.

Do you have raptors avilable? Or Chaos spawn? some of them could also be usefull. Especially the spawn since fast and relativly durable. I run my two Solo can take quite some fire and also dish out some pain.

Btw daemon prince is regardless of claws or overgrown shank usefull so to each their own.

No raptors, only warp talons. And I do own 4 Spawn.

 vaklor4 wrote:
No raptors, only warp talons. And I do own 4 Spawn.

Actually even better, since they deny overwatch and get more melee attacks.
I am however still not a fan of them. their price Tag isn't right imo. Like kroot.
2x2 spawn wolfpacks for 132pts could be a decent pressure support.

Tbh their price is just fine for what they offer. They are 15 points before their claws. So take the stock marine stats, add a 5++ invuln, 6+ movement, flight, daemon keyword, and the ability to /ignore overwatch/, and it is pretty decently valued. Sure it doesn't have shooting...But being able to give a big middle finger to Tau armies and flamers is worth it.

 vaklor4 wrote:
Tbh their price is just fine for what they offer. They are 15 points before their claws. So take the stock marine stats, add a 5++ invuln, 6+ movement, flight, daemon keyword, and the ability to /ignore overwatch/, and it is pretty decently valued. Sure it doesn't have shooting...But being able to give a big middle finger to Tau armies and flamers is worth it.

But but but where is the honor or fun in that?

All jokes aside, that is one army that they get their value and as much as it hurts their claws are not good priced.
On the other hand Showing the middle one to corner Camper.inc certainly is a value on it's own.