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Does anyone know why over a year later, these models still aren't available outside of the DI set?

 Togusa wrote:
Does anyone know why over a year later, these models still aren't available outside of the DI set?

Without GW saying something: no.

My only guess is that they alot a budget to new releases and the stuff Primaris got in the codex hit the limit of that budget.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Togusa wrote:
Does anyone know why over a year later, these models still aren't available outside of the DI set?

Without GW saying something: no.

My only guess is that they alot a budget to new releases and the stuff Primaris got in the codex hit the limit of that budget.

Thanks for the response!

This was my first impression. The only other thing I could think of was that perhaps those models are coming in kits later on. Correct me if I am wrong, but all of the "new" GSC models coming in Tooth and Claw were originally in Overwatch Killteam, correct? So it could just be a long delayed release. Unless Codex: Primaris is a real thing...

 Togusa wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Togusa wrote:
Does anyone know why over a year later, these models still aren't available outside of the DI set?

Without GW saying something: no.

My only guess is that they alot a budget to new releases and the stuff Primaris got in the codex hit the limit of that budget.

Thanks for the response!

This was my first impression. The only other thing I could think of was that perhaps those models are coming in kits later on. Correct me if I am wrong, but all of the "new" GSC models coming in Tooth and Claw were originally in Overwatch Killteam, correct? So it could just be a long delayed release. Unless Codex: Primaris is a real thing...

Nope! New models that are different from the Overwatch Killteam ones.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Togusa wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Togusa wrote:
Does anyone know why over a year later, these models still aren't available outside of the DI set?

Without GW saying something: no.

My only guess is that they alot a budget to new releases and the stuff Primaris got in the codex hit the limit of that budget.

Thanks for the response!

This was my first impression. The only other thing I could think of was that perhaps those models are coming in kits later on. Correct me if I am wrong, but all of the "new" GSC models coming in Tooth and Claw were originally in Overwatch Killteam, correct? So it could just be a long delayed release. Unless Codex: Primaris is a real thing...

Nope! New models that are different from the Overwatch Killteam ones.

Are they? Hmm, well in that case this is quite perplexing.

**grabs storm shield**

I really, really just wish they'd squatted old marines and revamped the entire line.

**holds up storm shield**

Emperor protect me....

I know it's a rumor, but apparently the Primaris marines are not selling quite as well as GW was hoping for. Perhaps that has GW at a stand still with further releases?

 Togusa wrote:
Does anyone know why over a year later, these models still aren't available outside of the DI set?

The Gravis Captain is. He's also in "Know No Fear".

Lieutenants can be built pretty easily using the standard Intercessor or Captain kit.
Ancients can be done that way as well, you just need to find a standard and pole bit that fits.

In all likelihood though, the biggest reason is likely because they don't want to cannibalize sales. I wouldn't be surprised to see an Easy to Build Lieutenants with the Master-Crafted Stalker Bolt Rifles for the LTs.

HoundsofDemos wrote:
I know it's a rumor, but apparently the Primaris marines are not selling quite as well as GW was hoping for. Perhaps that has GW at a stand still with further releases?

Oh? I've not heard this rumor. In my local area there are tons of primaris armies. I personally like them far more than the old marine line.

HoundsofDemos wrote:
I know it's a rumor, but apparently the Primaris marines are not selling quite as well as GW was hoping for. Perhaps that has GW at a stand still with further releases?

Not likely. People who claim to know exacting details on sales usually are full of crap since GW doesn't seem to publish those numbers publicly.

That said Lieutenants, Ancients, and Gravis Captains weren't exactly in short supply despite being "only in Dark Imperium".
The individual Lieutenants that GW themselves have released(Blood Angels, Dark Angels, and now Space Wolves are getting one) don't seem to have done too poorly either--though they're effectively 'direct only' at this point despite not being listed as such and the Space Wolves one wasn't given a separate release but instead was packaged with "Tooth and Claw".

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Togusa wrote:
Does anyone know why over a year later, these models still aren't available outside of the DI set?

The Gravis Captain is. He's also in "Know No Fear".

Lieutenants can be built pretty easily using the standard Intercessor or Captain kit.
Ancients can be done that way as well, you just need to find a standard and pole bit that fits.

In all likelihood though, the biggest reason is likely because they don't want to cannibalize sales. I wouldn't be surprised to see an Easy to Build Lieutenants with the Master-Crafted Stalker Bolt Rifles for the LTs.

For Lts I was just going to use the 30th Annv. "sgt" model. It should work, as long as I can give him a stalker bolter to match my army.

 Togusa wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Togusa wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Togusa wrote:
Does anyone know why over a year later, these models still aren't available outside of the DI set?

Without GW saying something: no.

My only guess is that they alot a budget to new releases and the stuff Primaris got in the codex hit the limit of that budget.

Thanks for the response!

This was my first impression. The only other thing I could think of was that perhaps those models are coming in kits later on. Correct me if I am wrong, but all of the "new" GSC models coming in Tooth and Claw were originally in Overwatch Killteam, correct? So it could just be a long delayed release. Unless Codex: Primaris is a real thing...

Nope! New models that are different from the Overwatch Killteam ones.

Are they? Hmm, well in that case this is quite perplexing.

**grabs storm shield**

I really, really just wish they'd squatted old marines and revamped the entire line.

**holds up storm shield**

Emperor protect me....

Squatting them wouldn't increase the new release budget. It would lead to the most salt outside of the Dead Sea though.

 Togusa wrote:

HoundsofDemos wrote:
I know it's a rumor, but apparently the Primaris marines are not selling quite as well as GW was hoping for. Perhaps that has GW at a stand still with further releases?

Oh? I've not heard this rumor. In my local area there are tons of primaris armies. I personally like them far more than the old marine line.

It's predicated most likely upon the nonsense that people aren't buying the individual boxes when they can get Dark Imperium splits.

To an extent, I could see that argument--but that's mostly because Dark Imperium just came with so much stuff on the Primaris side. Only reason to go individual boxes for Helblasters or Intercessors is to get their different weapon types.

HoundsofDemos wrote:
I know it's a rumor, but apparently the Primaris marines are not selling quite as well as GW was hoping for. Perhaps that has GW at a stand still with further releases?

You release half an army without a full range of options amidst all the other factions and of course it's going to be less of a seller on it's own. Just look at Sisters of Silence.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Togusa wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Togusa wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Togusa wrote:
Does anyone know why over a year later, these models still aren't available outside of the DI set?

Without GW saying something: no.

My only guess is that they alot a budget to new releases and the stuff Primaris got in the codex hit the limit of that budget.

Thanks for the response!

This was my first impression. The only other thing I could think of was that perhaps those models are coming in kits later on. Correct me if I am wrong, but all of the "new" GSC models coming in Tooth and Claw were originally in Overwatch Killteam, correct? So it could just be a long delayed release. Unless Codex: Primaris is a real thing...

Nope! New models that are different from the Overwatch Killteam ones.

Are they? Hmm, well in that case this is quite perplexing.

**grabs storm shield**

I really, really just wish they'd squatted old marines and revamped the entire line.

**holds up storm shield**

Emperor protect me....

Squatting them wouldn't increase the new release budget. It would lead to the most salt outside of the Dead Sea though.

No argument from me on that.


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 Kanluwen wrote:

 Togusa wrote:

HoundsofDemos wrote:
I know it's a rumor, but apparently the Primaris marines are not selling quite as well as GW was hoping for. Perhaps that has GW at a stand still with further releases?

Oh? I've not heard this rumor. In my local area there are tons of primaris armies. I personally like them far more than the old marine line.

It's predicated most likely upon the nonsense that people aren't buying the individual boxes when they can get Dark Imperium splits.

To an extent, I could see that argument--but that's mostly because Dark Imperium just came with so much stuff on the Primaris side. Only reason to go individual boxes for Helblasters or Intercessors is to get their different weapon types.

The weird thing to me, is that I didn't buy a DI box. I started my collection with the individuals. I get a discount where I shop, but it was because the DI stuff "feels" cheap to me when compared to the full kits.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Togusa wrote:
Does anyone know why over a year later, these models still aren't available outside of the DI set?

The Gravis Captain is. He's also in "Know No Fear".

Lieutenants can be built pretty easily using the standard Intercessor or Captain kit.
Ancients can be done that way as well, you just need to find a standard and pole bit that fits.

In all likelihood though, the biggest reason is likely because they don't want to cannibalize sales. I wouldn't be surprised to see an Easy to Build Lieutenants with the Master-Crafted Stalker Bolt Rifles for the LTs.

Regarding the LTs: I used a little parts swapping to make one out of the Anniversary Sergeant to have an assault bolter on him. But yeah, basically not hard to make one. That said, we should have a proper generic blister for one like the non-codex chapters have gotten.

 Togusa wrote:

HoundsofDemos wrote:
I know it's a rumor, but apparently the Primaris marines are not selling quite as well as GW was hoping for. Perhaps that has GW at a stand still with further releases?

Oh? I've not heard this rumor. In my local area there are tons of primaris armies. I personally like them far more than the old marine line.

the Prime source of that rumor tends to come from people who don't like Primaris Marines. the Primaris kits are only about a year old, so their being no new primaris releases is hardly suprising.

GW tends to keep a handful of models unique to their starter kits every edition. it's likely we won't see a gravis captain outside of DI until next edition.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

HoundsofDemos wrote:
I know it's a rumor, but apparently the Primaris marines are not selling quite as well as GW was hoping for. Perhaps that has GW at a stand still with further releases?

You release half an army without a full range of options amidst all the other factions and of course it's going to be less of a seller on it's own. Just look at Sisters of Silence.

You think Primaris don't have plenty of options at the moment? They have tons of stuff already and no doubt they'll get more in the future. If DI, those small starter kits and the 40k conquests is anything to go by then I have no doubt that Primaris are a good seller so far.

As for the question they can be got easily and cheaply on ebay at the moment. Maybe they'll each get an individual release later with their own sprue and more options once GW decide to do another wave.

MistaGav wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

HoundsofDemos wrote:
I know it's a rumor, but apparently the Primaris marines are not selling quite as well as GW was hoping for. Perhaps that has GW at a stand still with further releases?

You release half an army without a full range of options amidst all the other factions and of course it's going to be less of a seller on it's own. Just look at Sisters of Silence.

You think Primaris don't have plenty of options at the moment? They have tons of stuff already and no doubt they'll get more in the future. If DI, those small starter kits and the 40k conquests is anything to go by then I have no doubt that Primaris are a good seller so far.

As for the question they can be got easily and cheaply on ebay at the moment. Maybe they'll each get an individual release later with their own sprue and more options once GW decide to do another wave.

Oh, they have enough options to fill out a Brigade if you go MSU, but let's not pretend that the army is well rounded in terms of balance. They're damn good models (and have made me swear off buying regular Marines ever again) and will definitely be the focus of Marine support going forward, but if sales are lagging it's because there isn't enough there to buy after a certain point. I mean I've only been picking stuff up for around a month now and I've got nearly a unit of everything already (just need a box of Reivers, the unique stuff from DI, an Apothecary and a Chaplain and I will have one of everything) and I'm not even dropping large amounts of cash on these guys at a time (around $130-150 USD at a time).

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Togusa wrote:
Does anyone know why over a year later, these models still aren't available outside of the DI set?

The Gravis Captain is. He's also in "Know No Fear".

Lieutenants can be built pretty easily using the standard Intercessor or Captain kit.
Ancients can be done that way as well, you just need to find a standard and pole bit that fits.

In all likelihood though, the biggest reason is likely because they don't want to cannibalize sales. I wouldn't be surprised to see an Easy to Build Lieutenants with the Master-Crafted Stalker Bolt Rifles for the LTs.

Regarding the LTs: I used a little parts swapping to make one out of the Anniversary Sergeant to have an assault bolter on him. But yeah, basically not hard to make one. That said, we should have a proper generic blister for one like the non-codex chapters have gotten.

To be fair, the non-codex Chapters seem to have gotten one because they were intended to also get a non-codex loadout.

DA got Plasma Pistols, Wolves look to be getting Bolt Carbines, and Blood Angels got an empty hand(!!!!).

The two Lieutenants in the Dark Imperium box cover everything barring the Stalker Bolt Rifle.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Togusa wrote:
Does anyone know why over a year later, these models still aren't available outside of the DI set?

The Gravis Captain is. He's also in "Know No Fear".

Lieutenants can be built pretty easily using the standard Intercessor or Captain kit.
Ancients can be done that way as well, you just need to find a standard and pole bit that fits.

In all likelihood though, the biggest reason is likely because they don't want to cannibalize sales. I wouldn't be surprised to see an Easy to Build Lieutenants with the Master-Crafted Stalker Bolt Rifles for the LTs.

Regarding the LTs: I used a little parts swapping to make one out of the Anniversary Sergeant to have an assault bolter on him. But yeah, basically not hard to make one. That said, we should have a proper generic blister for one like the non-codex chapters have gotten.

To be fair, the non-codex Chapters seem to have gotten one because they were intended to also get a non-codex loadout.

DA got Plasma Pistols, Wolves look to be getting Bolt Carbines, and Blood Angels got an empty hand(!!!!).

The two Lieutenants in the Dark Imperium box cover everything barring the Stalker Bolt Rifle.

Everytime I look at the DI box I am both interested and frustrated. Interested in the unique models I want to add to my army, and frustrated that I'll need to convert to give the Intercessors a grenade launcher in each squad.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Everytime I look at the DI box I am both interested and frustrated. Interested in the unique models I want to add to my army, and frustrated that I'll need to convert to give the Intercessors a grenade launcher in each squad.

Or you could just swap two of the Intercessors from Dark Imperium into Lieutenants and put the Grenade Launchers in each squad...?

I split a Tooth & Claw with a buddy(I have no Redemptor, Aggressors, or basic Intercessor sets) and I'm planning on doing that--and it's not like Lieutenants have that unique of a loadout.

MistaGav wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

HoundsofDemos wrote:
I know it's a rumor, but apparently the Primaris marines are not selling quite as well as GW was hoping for. Perhaps that has GW at a stand still with further releases?

You release half an army without a full range of options amidst all the other factions and of course it's going to be less of a seller on it's own. Just look at Sisters of Silence.

You think Primaris don't have plenty of options at the moment? They have tons of stuff already and no doubt they'll get more in the future. If DI, those small starter kits and the 40k conquests is anything to go by then I have no doubt that Primaris are a good seller so far.

As for the question they can be got easily and cheaply on ebay at the moment. Maybe they'll each get an individual release later with their own sprue and more options once GW decide to do another wave.

Also, there's not a lot of push to rush out kits for models that can be readily scratchbuilt from available kits, unless I missed some rule that says 'these models must look EXACTLY like this.'

 Kanluwen wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Everytime I look at the DI box I am both interested and frustrated. Interested in the unique models I want to add to my army, and frustrated that I'll need to convert to give the Intercessors a grenade launcher in each squad.

Or you could just swap two of the Intercessors from Dark Imperium into Lieutenants and put the Grenade Launchers in each squad...?

I split a Tooth & Claw with a buddy(I have no Redemptor, Aggressors, or basic Intercessor sets) and I'm planning on doing that--and it's not like Lieutenants have that unique of a loadout.

DI already comes with two LTs so why would I make 2 more LTs?

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Everytime I look at the DI box I am both interested and frustrated. Interested in the unique models I want to add to my army, and frustrated that I'll need to convert to give the Intercessors a grenade launcher in each squad.

Or you could just swap two of the Intercessors from Dark Imperium into Lieutenants and put the Grenade Launchers in each squad...?

I split a Tooth & Claw with a buddy(I have no Redemptor, Aggressors, or basic Intercessor sets) and I'm planning on doing that--and it's not like Lieutenants have that unique of a loadout.

DI already comes with two LTs so why would I make 2 more LTs?

Maybe you want Stalker Bolt Rifles for them? I dunno.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Everytime I look at the DI box I am both interested and frustrated. Interested in the unique models I want to add to my army, and frustrated that I'll need to convert to give the Intercessors a grenade launcher in each squad.

Or you could just swap two of the Intercessors from Dark Imperium into Lieutenants and put the Grenade Launchers in each squad...?

I split a Tooth & Claw with a buddy(I have no Redemptor, Aggressors, or basic Intercessor sets) and I'm planning on doing that--and it's not like Lieutenants have that unique of a loadout.

DI already comes with two LTs so why would I make 2 more LTs?

Maybe you want Stalker Bolt Rifles for them? I dunno.

Not really. Assault bolters are a better choice hands down.

Maybe if the Stalker was Heavy 2 I'd consider it.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Everytime I look at the DI box I am both interested and frustrated. Interested in the unique models I want to add to my army, and frustrated that I'll need to convert to give the Intercessors a grenade launcher in each squad.

Or you could just swap two of the Intercessors from Dark Imperium into Lieutenants and put the Grenade Launchers in each squad...?

I split a Tooth & Claw with a buddy(I have no Redemptor, Aggressors, or basic Intercessor sets) and I'm planning on doing that--and it's not like Lieutenants have that unique of a loadout.

DI already comes with two LTs so why would I make 2 more LTs?

Maybe you want Stalker Bolt Rifles for them? I dunno.

Not really. Assault bolters are a better choice hands down.

Maybe if the Stalker was Heavy 2 I'd consider it.

I don't know about that, AP 2 and 12" more range is worth something.

maybe but not a whole lot, now if they where sniper weapons, I'd never play a game without a squad with the things.

The Newman wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Everytime I look at the DI box I am both interested and frustrated. Interested in the unique models I want to add to my army, and frustrated that I'll need to convert to give the Intercessors a grenade launcher in each squad.

Or you could just swap two of the Intercessors from Dark Imperium into Lieutenants and put the Grenade Launchers in each squad...?

I split a Tooth & Claw with a buddy(I have no Redemptor, Aggressors, or basic Intercessor sets) and I'm planning on doing that--and it's not like Lieutenants have that unique of a loadout.

DI already comes with two LTs so why would I make 2 more LTs?

Maybe you want Stalker Bolt Rifles for them? I dunno.

Not really. Assault bolters are a better choice hands down.

Maybe if the Stalker was Heavy 2 I'd consider it.

I don't know about that, AP 2 and 12" more range is worth something.

Lower number of shots (could be heavy 2 instead), loss of reliable moving and shooting (could be Rapid Fire like the Stalker boltgun instead) and lacks any sniper bonus (could actually be a sniper type weapon that actually snipes). Any of those things could make this weapon better than it is, but instead we get a waste of an option.

The heavy plasma has a similar issue actually.

 Togusa wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Togusa wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Togusa wrote:
Does anyone know why over a year later, these models still aren't available outside of the DI set?

Without GW saying something: no.

My only guess is that they alot a budget to new releases and the stuff Primaris got in the codex hit the limit of that budget.

Thanks for the response!

This was my first impression. The only other thing I could think of was that perhaps those models are coming in kits later on. Correct me if I am wrong, but all of the "new" GSC models coming in Tooth and Claw were originally in Overwatch Killteam, correct? So it could just be a long delayed release. Unless Codex: Primaris is a real thing...

Nope! New models that are different from the Overwatch Killteam ones.

Are they? Hmm, well in that case this is quite perplexing.

**grabs storm shield**

I really, really just wish they'd squatted old marines and revamped the entire line.

**holds up storm shield**

Emperor protect me....

8th Ed favours weight of fire. You're going to need some Honour Guard to soak wounds.

That is usually true, but if you plan to park those bolters far away where they will never get into rapid fire range, then the stalker bolters become interesting.

They shouldn't cost more than the rapid fire version though.