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The Space Wolves Codex Sucks.

I'm not talking about competitive power level. I mean that it sucks from a fluff point of view compared to where we left off in 7th edition. By the time the War Zone Fenris book came out, we were given formations that reflected the unique fighting style of each of the Great Companies. We had a large, varied set of relics (12 in total, double what we have now) and psychic powers (30 total from 5 different disciplines). Formations could be used to make your army feel like an Iron Wolves armored column, a Blackmanes shock troop force, or an elite company of the Great Wolf himself.

Now, we feel more like vanilla marines than ever before. I know some people on this forum think that SW should just be part of the base SM codex, but if GW is going to sell me a whole different book and make me wait months for it, why does it feel like we're taking several steps back from last edition? What were we waiting for? I don't think it should've taken them so long to copy/paste the SM codex and add 3-4 pages of stratagems, warlord traits, and relics. They didn't even bother painting up a 'Primaris Wolf Priest', whatever that is (it certainly doesn't look like a Primaris Apothecary or Chaplain). What does a 'Primaris Rune Priest' look like? A baby blue librarian? No way.

Looking through the codex, the only new painted models they show are 5 Intercessors, 5 hellblasters, 5 reivers, a redemptor dreadnought and 3 aggressors. I would've appreciated some tips on converting the bland primaris stuff to fit into my army better.

The fluff section has 3 tiny paragraphs on primaris marines in the SW timeline section. That's it. They added some unit descriptions, but no fluff about how the rest of the chapter views primaris, how they integrated into the great companies, etc.

I can't help but be very underwhelmed by this codex. It feels like I paid $40 for 3 pages at the back beyond what I already had in my index and one of those pages was a misprint.

Most of your complaint can be seen as "welcome to 8th edition." I mean, look at what Imperial Fists and Iron Hands lost: options to play fluffier variants of their armies, relics and special rules.

EVERYONE lost formations. Some lived on as strategems, but basically any chance of seeing those again to organize your army around should have died when seeing the lack of formations in other armies.

GW's "tips" for conversions seem to live on largely through upgrade sprues (like Ultramarines, Blood Angels, and Dark Angels got) or WarhammerTV videos (they've done some for Kill Team). Not much conversion stuff exists in any codex anymore save for some legacy models that have been in the studio for ages now.

So basically any clambering over that lost stuff is a long time too late because the runes where on the wall a long time ago there. I mean Blood Angels lost the Devastation of Baal variant army build and extra stuff, Necrons lost their Decurion and variant relics, ect, ect, ect. The Wolves won't going to be special and get a bunch of stuff from last edition that other armies lost.

What you got is everything you already had, everything the vanilla marines have plus the usual collection of unique relics and the like. And much like the other Vanilla Marines +1 books (Dark Angels, Blood Angels namely) it's not that exciting but what were you expecting with a release that brings no new model kits to your army that you didn't already have access to via index?

Look, I know I sound abrasiveness here, but what did you honestly expect seeing what armies got? They weren't rolling the red carpet out on extra stuff this early into the edition, they were focused on getting you a codex with playable rules. I'd count on new stuff being the thing going forward post having the codexes out, in a slower release cycle than expecting to get a bunch of special stuff right out of the gate.

ok you're wrong.

By the time the War Zone Fenris book came out

At the very end lifespan of 7th edition.

we were given formations that reflected the unique fighting style of each of the Great Companies

Dude everyone lost their formations because the community as a whole resoundingly told GW they where a bad idea. If you're only just now upset that formations have left... what the hell have you been the last year? Hibernating?

We had a large, varied set of relics (12 in total, double what we have now

Thats cause Space Wolves had a codex and a supplement. that'll do it. eit woulda been nice to have a few more relics as space marines have 7 or so before you get to the chapter specific relics, but GW's more or less hit on a formula of 2 melee weapons, 1 set of armor, and some other equipment that gives buffs or auras.

and psychic powers (30 total from 5 different disciplines).

Yet again everyone's psykic powers list has been reduced, I ask once more what where you expecting?

Now, we feel more like vanilla marines than ever before.

why because you lack formations? 90% of the psykic pwoers space wolves had where the same.

I would've appreciated some tips on converting the bland primaris stuff to fit into my army better.

Add pelts, wolf tails and wolf teeth? seriously it's not hard. And they DO tell you what the squad markings for each type of Primars are.

The fluff section has 3 tiny paragraphs on primaris marines in the SW timeline section. That's it. They added some unit descriptions, but no fluff about how the rest of the chapter views primaris, how they integrated into the great companies, etc.

Yes they did. we know that there was some argument among the wolf lords about taking them at all, some fearing that Gulliman was using it as an excuse to foist the codex on them. We know that they've begun to prove their worth and people are coming around, we know Blood Claws really don't like them to a point where the chapter leadership needed to codify some dueling rules. etc. We know lots. fact is, of the 3 space marine codices I've read (space marines, dark angels and space wolves) Codex Space Wolves has the most information about how they're fitting in. as for the primaris wolf preist, they proably look like a Primaris chaplain with a wolf skull helmet instead of a human skull helmet, JUST LIKE A NORMAL WOLF PREIST

The fluff section has 3 tiny paragraphs on primaris marines in the SW timeline section. That's it. They added some unit descriptions, but no fluff about how the rest of the chapter views primaris, how they integrated into the great companies, etc.

it has a lot more and IMHO is proably the best source of information on how Primaris acclimative to a chapter of all the space marine codices. the dark angel and blood angel players WISH they got the kind of info Space Wolves did about Primaris Marines

I expected formations from 7th to show up as stratagems, not formations of course.

I feel like the book is just bad value with limited new model photos, limited fluff additions, and limited rules.

Why is it to be expected that 8th is a large step back from 7th in terms of army customization and rule variety?

 beir wrote:
I expected formations from 7th to show up as stratagems, not formations of course.

I feel like the book is just bad value with limited new model photos, limited fluff additions, and limited rules.

Why is it to be expected that 8th is a large step back from 7th in terms of army customization and rule variety?

You expected VERY wrong. How many armies got formations as strategems? I mean, where's my strategem to let cultists eat wounds for a nearby Helbrute, or my strategem that allows me to make a massive block of Necron warriors who get bonuses to RP?

I know of TWO formations that got strategems and maybe there are more, but they're only there for the four people or so who went out and bout 3 predators or vindicators for the Killshot or Linebreaker. That's about it. Maybe the 9 Zoanthrope one was a formation too, but the point is that we barely see ANY formations survive the edition change and your expectation was blatant wishlisting.

There aren't a lot of new models to show off for Wolves at this time beyond blue-grey Primaris. I mean they could paint up some of your new additions from the vanilla book, but that's about it.

And you're expecting what to be added for army customization? Unique FOCs? We have an FOC for basically any army comp you can imagine and somehow that doesn't let you build any of the past great companies? Or were you expecting to get chapter tactics AND a great company tactic on top of it?

Eldar, tyranids, dark eldar, Tau all got quite a bit of customization in choosing "chapter tactics". I'm paying the same for my codex and got much less. I'd rather just be rolled into the vanilla SM codex considering what we got. Just tack the 3 pages of warlord traits, relics, and 5-6 unique stratagems to the vanilla codex and give it to me 15 months earlier.

 beir wrote:
Eldar, tyranids, dark eldar, Tau all got quite a bit of customization in choosing "chapter tactics". I'm paying the same for my codex and got much less. I'd rather just be rolled into the vanilla SM codex considering what we got. Just tack the 3 pages of warlord traits, relics, and 5-6 unique stratagems to the vanilla codex and give it to me 15 months earlier.

That reeks of a false dichotomy. Why? Because you're comparing armies that represent ENTIRE FACTIONS to a book that represents a single subfaction. OF COURSE they have more varied tactics. Space Wolves FIGHT LIKE SPACE WOLVES. Any organizational nuance isn't worth noting when it doesn't change the main manner in what a Space Wolves are known for. This like like complaining that oranges only taste like oranges and don't come in a wide array of fruit flavors.

You're crying over not having your cake and getting to eat it to and it's honestly making me think this is just bait to make the ACTUAL Space Wolf players look bad because I refuse to believe someone could legitimately be this self-entitled about their army.

 beir wrote:
Eldar, tyranids, dark eldar, Tau all got quite a bit of customization in choosing "chapter tactics". I'm paying the same for my codex and got much less. I'd rather just be rolled into the vanilla SM codex considering what we got. Just tack the 3 pages of warlord traits, relics, and 5-6 unique stratagems to the vanilla codex and give it to me 15 months earlier.

Because it covers most septs, craftworlds, hive fleets etc. And if you were in the normal SM book you'd be getting much less fluff and only 1 unique space wolf thing for warlord traits, relics and stratagems. You'd probably not even have the unique psychic powers.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 beir wrote:
Eldar, tyranids, dark eldar, Tau all got quite a bit of customization in choosing "chapter tactics". I'm paying the same for my codex and got much less. I'd rather just be rolled into the vanilla SM codex considering what we got. Just tack the 3 pages of warlord traits, relics, and 5-6 unique stratagems to the vanilla codex and give it to me 15 months earlier.

That reeks of a false dichotomy. Why? Because you're comparing armies that represent ENTIRE FACTIONS to a book that represents a single subfaction. OF COURSE they have more varied tactics. Space Wolves FIGHT LIKE SPACE WOLVES. Any organizational nuance isn't worth noting when it doesn't change the main manner in what a Space Wolves are known for. This like like complaining that oranges only taste like oranges and don't come in a wide array of fruit flavors.

You're crying over not having your cake and getting to eat it to and it's honestly making me think this is just bait to make the ACTUAL Space Wolf players look bad because I refuse to believe someone could legitimately be this self-entitled about their army.

So charge me $20 for my subfaction book and charge the full faction armies full price. That would help set expectations that my army is just a subfaction and is getting less content as a result.

Do you really think SW codex is equal value to, say, tyranids based on content? A tyranid player gets many more play options in their book.

 beir wrote:
I expected formations from 7th to show up as stratagems, not formations of course.

I feel like the book is just bad value with limited new model photos, limited fluff additions, and limited rules.

Why is it to be expected that 8th is a large step back from 7th in terms of army customization and rule variety?

in the case of rule varity because they wanted to cut down on some of the bloat.

 beir wrote:

Do you really think SW codex is equal value to, say, tyranids based on content? A tyranid player gets many more play options in their book.

Apart from hive fleet adaptations/chapter tactics, yes.

 beir wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 beir wrote:
Eldar, tyranids, dark eldar, Tau all got quite a bit of customization in choosing "chapter tactics". I'm paying the same for my codex and got much less. I'd rather just be rolled into the vanilla SM codex considering what we got. Just tack the 3 pages of warlord traits, relics, and 5-6 unique stratagems to the vanilla codex and give it to me 15 months earlier.

That reeks of a false dichotomy. Why? Because you're comparing armies that represent ENTIRE FACTIONS to a book that represents a single subfaction. OF COURSE they have more varied tactics. Space Wolves FIGHT LIKE SPACE WOLVES. Any organizational nuance isn't worth noting when it doesn't change the main manner in what a Space Wolves are known for. This like like complaining that oranges only taste like oranges and don't come in a wide array of fruit flavors.

You're crying over not having your cake and getting to eat it to and it's honestly making me think this is just bait to make the ACTUAL Space Wolf players look bad because I refuse to believe someone could legitimately be this self-entitled about their army.

So charge me $20 for my subfaction book and charge the full faction armies full price. That would help set expectations that my army is just a subfaction and is getting less content as a result.

Do you really think SW codex is equal value to, say, tyranids based on content? A tyranid player gets many more play options in their book.

"I created false expectations despite being shown EXACTLY what GW is doing with the non-codex space marine chapters and somehow it's not my fault! They should just roll my codex into a supplement so I could complain about how they ruined my army by rolling it into the main Space Marine codex instead of keeping it a unique army with it's own codex!"

Emperor's teeth I just want to play a tiny violin for you and your absurdity.

If every Space Wolf player acted like you I'd take the time to build an acurate scale model of the Fang just so I could have my army break it every game they play. You are the worst kind of player because even when given your own unique book with special psychic powers, unique options, unique relics, a wide array of special characters and then given everything from the regular Marine book on top of it (making it so you're no longer locked out of stuff for no reason) you still cry about how abused and neglected your army is and how you want stuff you have no right having because the game has moved past those things and gave them up in the name of better game balance.

You are LITERALLY the kind of player that is toxic to this game because you poison the well for that others perceive the kind of people who play a given army, make the studio less likely to listen to feedback because all it you have to offer is "I WANT WHAT NO ONE ELSE HAS!" and basically just stinks up a room with your rotten personality.

Seriously, I haven't been this outright ticked off at anyone in a while and I should applaud you for it. I don't get this wound up easily, and hearing someone cry about how dang salty they are they can't have the things that EVERYONE lost in this edition just hit the right buttons, so congrats for that I suppose.

 beir wrote:


Do you really think SW codex is equal value to, say, tyranids based on content?

Yes.

/thread

 beir wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 beir wrote:
Eldar, tyranids, dark eldar, Tau all got quite a bit of customization in choosing "chapter tactics". I'm paying the same for my codex and got much less. I'd rather just be rolled into the vanilla SM codex considering what we got. Just tack the 3 pages of warlord traits, relics, and 5-6 unique stratagems to the vanilla codex and give it to me 15 months earlier.

That reeks of a false dichotomy. Why? Because you're comparing armies that represent ENTIRE FACTIONS to a book that represents a single subfaction. OF COURSE they have more varied tactics. Space Wolves FIGHT LIKE SPACE WOLVES. Any organizational nuance isn't worth noting when it doesn't change the main manner in what a Space Wolves are known for. This like like complaining that oranges only taste like oranges and don't come in a wide array of fruit flavors.

You're crying over not having your cake and getting to eat it to and it's honestly making me think this is just bait to make the ACTUAL Space Wolf players look bad because I refuse to believe someone could legitimately be this self-entitled about their army.

So charge me $20 for my subfaction book and charge the full faction armies full price. That would help set expectations that my army is just a subfaction and is getting less content as a result.

Do you really think SW codex is equal value to, say, tyranids based on content? A tyranid player gets many more play options in their book.

No they don't.Space Wolves have some of the greatest varity among the space marine factions. You can run a VERY shooty army, a VERY choppy one, etc. stop obsessing over the fact that Space Wolves, LIKE EVERY ONE Codex involving a single army only gets one chapter trait etc. if you'd been paying ANY attention to the codices AT ALL, the space wolves codex would come as no suprise to you. you'rew apparently upset that space wolves don't have as much rules varity as a codex that covers Ultramarines (and their hundreds of sucessors) Imperial Fists, White Scars, Salamanders Iron Hands, Raven Guard, AND THE HUNDREDS of sucessor chapters these chapters have?! Blood Angels and Dark angels each got a single trait, and 6 relics each, did you hear them bitching? And I'd argue BTW Space Wolves on Average has MUCH better relics then those two chapters.

rather then complain your, unrealistic, expectations where not met, look at what space wolves did get. they got a VERY solid codex

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 beir wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 beir wrote:
Eldar, tyranids, dark eldar, Tau all got quite a bit of customization in choosing "chapter tactics". I'm paying the same for my codex and got much less. I'd rather just be rolled into the vanilla SM codex considering what we got. Just tack the 3 pages of warlord traits, relics, and 5-6 unique stratagems to the vanilla codex and give it to me 15 months earlier.

That reeks of a false dichotomy. Why? Because you're comparing armies that represent ENTIRE FACTIONS to a book that represents a single subfaction. OF COURSE they have more varied tactics. Space Wolves FIGHT LIKE SPACE WOLVES. Any organizational nuance isn't worth noting when it doesn't change the main manner in what a Space Wolves are known for. This like like complaining that oranges only taste like oranges and don't come in a wide array of fruit flavors.

You're crying over not having your cake and getting to eat it to and it's honestly making me think this is just bait to make the ACTUAL Space Wolf players look bad because I refuse to believe someone could legitimately be this self-entitled about their army.

So charge me $20 for my subfaction book and charge the full faction armies full price. That would help set expectations that my army is just a subfaction and is getting less content as a result.

Do you really think SW codex is equal value to, say, tyranids based on content? A tyranid player gets many more play options in their book.

"I created false expectations despite being shown EXACTLY what GW is doing with the non-codex space marine chapters and somehow it's not my fault! They should just roll my codex into a supplement so I could complain about how they ruined my army by rolling it into the main Space Marine codex instead of keeping it a unique army with it's own codex!"

Emperor's teeth I just want to play a tiny violin for you and your absurdity.

If every Space Wolf player acted like you I'd take the time to build an acurate scale model of the Fang just so I could have my army break it every game they play. You are the worst kind of player because even when given your own unique book with special psychic powers, unique options, unique relics, a wide array of special characters and then given everything from the regular Marine book on top of it (making it so you're no longer locked out of stuff for no reason) you still cry about how abused and neglected your army is and how you want stuff you have no right having because the game has moved past those things and gave them up in the name of better game balance.

You are LITERALLY the kind of player that is toxic to this game because you poison the well for that others perceive the kind of people who play a given army, make the studio less likely to listen to feedback because all it you have to offer is "I WANT WHAT NO ONE ELSE HAS!" and basically just stinks up a room with your rotten personality.

Seriously, I haven't been this outright ticked off at anyone in a while and I should applaud you for it. I don't get this wound up easily, and hearing someone cry about how dang salty they are they can't have the things that EVERYONE lost in this edition just hit the right buttons, so congrats for that I suppose.

GW set a precedent to n 7th that, among the SM subfactions, SW got more specialized rules and content. They then witheld the SW codex for over half a year beyond the other SM factions.

After that, we got a codex that is just another copy/paste job.

I don't think it's unreasonable to have expected more. I have no idea why this has triggered you so bad, but I guess you have some baggage that you're bringing to the discussion.

That "precedent" only existed because you had a codex and a supplement and was killed when 7th ended. If this was over the course of several editions you might have some sympathy, but you had the supplement barely a year before the edition came to a close and we were moving onto 8th.

And AGAIN, what did you think you could get with a codex that wasn't giving you new, unique kits? You weren't getting Russ, you weren't getting a new Frostwolf Sled Team, you weren't even getting signs of seeing a mass migration of formations as strategems. You basically invented a wishlist in your head of what you wanted and now want to blame GW for not catering to demands no one else even had or expected.

The only baggage I see in this thread is one salty wolf player who wants to have everything under the sun and doesn't get why others might be a bit put off by this rather entitled attitude of "I want it all".

Maybe you need to go watch the Veronica Salt scenes from Charlie and the Chocolate Factory to see why people would be a bit irked by such behavior.

 beir wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 beir wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 beir wrote:
Eldar, tyranids, dark eldar, Tau all got quite a bit of customization in choosing "chapter tactics". I'm paying the same for my codex and got much less. I'd rather just be rolled into the vanilla SM codex considering what we got. Just tack the 3 pages of warlord traits, relics, and 5-6 unique stratagems to the vanilla codex and give it to me 15 months earlier.

That reeks of a false dichotomy. Why? Because you're comparing armies that represent ENTIRE FACTIONS to a book that represents a single subfaction. OF COURSE they have more varied tactics. Space Wolves FIGHT LIKE SPACE WOLVES. Any organizational nuance isn't worth noting when it doesn't change the main manner in what a Space Wolves are known for. This like like complaining that oranges only taste like oranges and don't come in a wide array of fruit flavors.

You're crying over not having your cake and getting to eat it to and it's honestly making me think this is just bait to make the ACTUAL Space Wolf players look bad because I refuse to believe someone could legitimately be this self-entitled about their army.

So charge me $20 for my subfaction book and charge the full faction armies full price. That would help set expectations that my army is just a subfaction and is getting less content as a result.

Do you really think SW codex is equal value to, say, tyranids based on content? A tyranid player gets many more play options in their book.

"I created false expectations despite being shown EXACTLY what GW is doing with the non-codex space marine chapters and somehow it's not my fault! They should just roll my codex into a supplement so I could complain about how they ruined my army by rolling it into the main Space Marine codex instead of keeping it a unique army with it's own codex!"

Emperor's teeth I just want to play a tiny violin for you and your absurdity.

If every Space Wolf player acted like you I'd take the time to build an acurate scale model of the Fang just so I could have my army break it every game they play. You are the worst kind of player because even when given your own unique book with special psychic powers, unique options, unique relics, a wide array of special characters and then given everything from the regular Marine book on top of it (making it so you're no longer locked out of stuff for no reason) you still cry about how abused and neglected your army is and how you want stuff you have no right having because the game has moved past those things and gave them up in the name of better game balance.

You are LITERALLY the kind of player that is toxic to this game because you poison the well for that others perceive the kind of people who play a given army, make the studio less likely to listen to feedback because all it you have to offer is "I WANT WHAT NO ONE ELSE HAS!" and basically just stinks up a room with your rotten personality.

Seriously, I haven't been this outright ticked off at anyone in a while and I should applaud you for it. I don't get this wound up easily, and hearing someone cry about how dang salty they are they can't have the things that EVERYONE lost in this edition just hit the right buttons, so congrats for that I suppose.

GW set a precedent to n 7th that, among the SM subfactions, SW got more specialized rules and content. They then witheld the SW codex for over half a year beyond the other SM factions.

After that, we got a codex that is just another copy/paste job.

I don't think it's unreasonable to have expected more. I have no idea why this has triggered you so bad, but I guess you have some baggage that you're bringing to the discussion.

Except Space Wovles DIDN'T.

they got a grand total of 14 formations.

Meanwhile vanilla space Marines got 24 formations, TWICE what space wolves got. And each Chapter had formations clearly assopciated with it etc. well guess what, THOSE ARE GONE NOW TOO. and diffrentiating between White scars and Iron Hands seems a hell of a lot more important then diffrentiating between the blackmanes and the company of the great wolf. meanwhile, the pairing back of relics hurt others a LOT more then it did the space wolves, as raven guard, iron hands etc each had their own relic list each of which got paired back to a grand total of one item. you don't hear them complaining now do you? And yet again.. it's EARLY in 8th edition still, all those formations relics etc? a lotta em came very late in 7th edition. in a year or two when 8th edition is mature space wolves might have 20 relics, and 53 stratigiums, and lemen russ and a ton of other things.

Meanwhile look at what space wolves got, they have cataphracti and tarantos terminator armor now, as well as contemptor dreadnoughts, which in 7th edition space wolves had been denied for arbitrary reasons

By the standards of 8th edition and every other codex released thus far, the Space Wolves book is really good. Lots of good strategems, great psychic powers, a unique warlord trait system (that no one else has) and a variety of interesting and competitive units. I think any space marine player would trade their books for yours in a heartbeat. It only seems like less because you're comparing it to what was available at the END of 7th, after several years of releases and supplements. This is a different edition and space wolves did not receive less than anyone else up to this point.

heck the warlord trait system I think is such a neat one I'd love to see GW edit every other armies warlord traits to such a system with the next chapter approved

Boy wait until you've seen the Dark and Blood Angels codices, which should be representing them and their successors!

Most of the lore of the 8th edition codexes have been relatively lacking. They have no depth to them other than a list of dates in every single one, then a organization chart, timeline, different flavors of the faction, then pictures of units and unit descriptions. No actual lore is covered in the 8th edition codex, not the likes of 5th or 6th. 5th edition as much as people rag on it, had a sizeable amount of lore, including battles, and some amazing campaigns (world Engine, Rynn's World, Zeist Campaign, and the Iron Hands going freaking insane crusade stabby).

Alot of that is missing in these latest codexes (I didn't play 6th or 7th forgive me) but I came back and the codexes seem short handed not very indepth in terms of lore. While codexes live as more of a rulebook it is largely out of date relatively quickly based on FAQ's and the debacle with the new lord traits we can get that have to be printed out by the consumer (not fun).

While there are other things, I could complain about the space wolves codex is lacking substance, like most of the codexes. Its across the board, which seems to be a theme of 8th. Its great as an introductory though, but with so few books or information about the latest events in Dark Imperium or Indomitus Crusade, we are just sorta stuck in this limbo of "erm.... what is exactly going on and what is different?"

Which seems to be of more bad plot development or the writing team needed more time. Which I wouldn't doubt, I had been hopeful that Ashes of Prospero would at least bring a new character to the space wolves instead of dead characters or useless wolf lords... (deathgaze really?)



Its currently kind of meh. But most space marines are meant to be the training wheels of 40k.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 beir wrote:
Eldar, tyranids, dark eldar, Tau all got quite a bit of customization in choosing "chapter tactics". I'm paying the same for my codex and got much less. I'd rather just be rolled into the vanilla SM codex considering what we got. Just tack the 3 pages of warlord traits, relics, and 5-6 unique stratagems to the vanilla codex and give it to me 15 months earlier.

That reeks of a false dichotomy. Why? Because you're comparing armies that represent ENTIRE FACTIONS to a book that represents a single subfaction. OF COURSE they have more varied tactics. Space Wolves FIGHT LIKE SPACE WOLVES. Any organizational nuance isn't worth noting when it doesn't change the main manner in what a Space Wolves are known for. This like like complaining that oranges only taste like oranges and don't come in a wide array of fruit flavors.

You're crying over not having your cake and getting to eat it to and it's honestly making me think this is just bait to make the ACTUAL Space Wolf players look bad because I refuse to believe someone could legitimately be this self-entitled about their army.

This is like base level of self entitlement nowadays. This forum has become a canker

 SHUPPET wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 beir wrote:
Eldar, tyranids, dark eldar, Tau all got quite a bit of customization in choosing "chapter tactics". I'm paying the same for my codex and got much less. I'd rather just be rolled into the vanilla SM codex considering what we got. Just tack the 3 pages of warlord traits, relics, and 5-6 unique stratagems to the vanilla codex and give it to me 15 months earlier.

That reeks of a false dichotomy. Why? Because you're comparing armies that represent ENTIRE FACTIONS to a book that represents a single subfaction. OF COURSE they have more varied tactics. Space Wolves FIGHT LIKE SPACE WOLVES. Any organizational nuance isn't worth noting when it doesn't change the main manner in what a Space Wolves are known for. This like like complaining that oranges only taste like oranges and don't come in a wide array of fruit flavors.

You're crying over not having your cake and getting to eat it to and it's honestly making me think this is just bait to make the ACTUAL Space Wolf players look bad because I refuse to believe someone could legitimately be this self-entitled about their army.

This is like base level of self entitlement nowadays. This forum has become a canker

between threads like this and "OMG! PAGE 15 HAS A TYPO! GW SUCKS THEY SHOULD GIVE ME THE RULES FOR FREE"

Be thankful we got so much good stuff, as for the fluff we can't expect lots of new fluff. GW are trying their hardest to get all the codex's out. Things won't settle down in eighth for a while, they won't be able to focus on single factions at least until the codex's are out. Out of all the other releases at least we got a new character, plus we get acess to so much stuff now, not just contemptors and cataphractii termies but also SM's stuff like the stalker tank and the interceptor flyer, I'm happy as <REMOVED>. There are some drawbacks from the codex but overall we got off light. Warzone Fenris happened like a few months ago, seriously what else can you expect no other legions have had such an amount of fluff other than the blood angels.

Edited for language - BrookM

I kinda agree with the OP's point that it would've been nice to have seen SW versions of some of the new-to-the-codex units in the colour section - replacing one of the images of Bjorn the Fell-Handed with a Wulfen Dreadnought, for example, or showing the Tartoros/Cataphractii terminators in a SW scheme would've been cool.

I'm a little surprised that the timeline didn't explicitly reference the raid to rescue the original 13th Company from Prospero, as I thought they'd be using that to justify adding the HH gear to the 'dex. It might be that I've missed a reference in the unit entries, as I've not read the book in detail yet.

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
Be thankful we got so much good stuff, as for the fluff we can't expect lots of new fluff. GW are trying their hardest to get all the codex's out. Things won't settle down in eighth for a while, they won't be able to focus on single factions at least until the codex's are out. Out of all the other releases at least we got a new character, plus we get acess to so much stuff now, not just contemptors and cataphractii termies but also SM's stuff like the stalker tank and the interceptor flyer, I'm happy as <REMOVED>. There are some drawbacks from the codex but overall we got off light. Warzone Fenris happened like a few months ago, seriously what else can you expect no other legions have had such an amount of fluff other than the blood angels.

Edited for language - BrookM

even the blood angels didn't get much fluff, I've been comparing all the marine codices, Blood angels and Dark angels got a little bit of "this is how to bring things up to speed" but other thern that not a whole lot. their codices mostly repeated and clarified info we'd been told already about primarisd Marines. the space wolf codex, as I said, really gives us more info about how they fit into the chapter. It's IMHO the most signfcigent bit of primaris Lore since codex space marines

BrianDavion wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
Be thankful we got so much good stuff, as for the fluff we can't expect lots of new fluff. GW are trying their hardest to get all the codex's out. Things won't settle down in eighth for a while, they won't be able to focus on single factions at least until the codex's are out. Out of all the other releases at least we got a new character, plus we get acess to so much stuff now, not just contemptors and cataphractii termies but also SM's stuff like the stalker tank and the interceptor flyer, I'm happy as <REMOVED>. There are some drawbacks from the codex but overall we got off light. Warzone Fenris happened like a few months ago, seriously what else can you expect no other legions have had such an amount of fluff other than the blood angels.

Edited for language - BrookM

even the blood angels didn't get much fluff, I've been comparing all the marine codices, Blood angels and Dark angels got a little bit of "this is how to bring things up to speed" but other thern that not a whole lot. their codices mostly repeated and clarified info we'd been told already about primarisd Marines. the space wolf codex, as I said, really gives us more info about how they fit into the chapter. It's IMHO the most signfcigent bit of primaris Lore since codex space marines

Yeah like the lore on the reivers is great, how they ignore all other marines and only buddy up to the wolf scouts etc.

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
Be thankful we got so much good stuff, as for the fluff we can't expect lots of new fluff. GW are trying their hardest to get all the codex's out. Things won't settle down in eighth for a while, they won't be able to focus on single factions at least until the codex's are out. Out of all the other releases at least we got a new character, plus we get acess to so much stuff now, not just contemptors and cataphractii termies but also SM's stuff like the stalker tank and the interceptor flyer, I'm happy as <REMOVED>. There are some drawbacks from the codex but overall we got off light. Warzone Fenris happened like a few months ago, seriously what else can you expect no other legions have had such an amount of fluff other than the blood angels.

Edited for language - BrookM

even the blood angels didn't get much fluff, I've been comparing all the marine codices, Blood angels and Dark angels got a little bit of "this is how to bring things up to speed" but other thern that not a whole lot. their codices mostly repeated and clarified info we'd been told already about primarisd Marines. the space wolf codex, as I said, really gives us more info about how they fit into the chapter. It's IMHO the most signfcigent bit of primaris Lore since codex space marines

Yeah like the lore on the reivers is great, how they ignore all other marines and only buddy up to the wolf scouts etc.

Agreed. And the fact that they had toi insisute a formalized dueling rules cause blood claws kept picking fights? And the friendly rivalry between intercessor squads and grey hunters etc? it's GREAT. Space Wolves are the first army where you read the codex and feel that "yeah these guys have been added in, are interacting and there are some growing pains as everyone gets used to each other" as opposed to a differant type of marine bolted on

Well, its a pity that the new SW does not fulfill the expectations.
I really liked the 13th Company and I played it in the 3rd ed. Among other things, this made SW unique.

 wuestenfux wrote:
Well, its a pity that the new SW does not fulfill the expectations.
I really liked the 13th Company and I played it in the 3rd ed. This made SW very unique.

They might and probably will release the 13th in the future (especially since prospero burns and all the new wulfen stuff), so it wouldn't be wise adding a 'make your own' as they want to sell more. I can imagine the 13th being released at the same time as Russ coming back.