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Like:
- Look of models in the standard Primaris power armour
- How an Intercessor squad feels like marines "should" on the table (2 attacks, 2 wounds)


Dislike:
- Lack of mobility in HQ slot. Footslogging HQs are so meh.
- How the non-standard armour variants are so chunky... agressors, inceptors, gravis. They all look too rotund.
- The way they are over-gunning new models without making them particularly durable (e.g. Redemptor, Repulsor... cost ALL the points, shoot ALL the bullets)
- The name "Hellblasters" is awful... completely out of sync with the other names.


Happy to have some Primaris in my marines army but as yet I am not kicking down GW's door to buy more.

Hopefully they get...

- A razorback-style cheap transport with maybe only 23 guns rather than the repulsor's 27
- HQ's that can fly or at least move more than 6"
- Some kind of specialist fast moving assault/melee unit

Karol wrote:
The middle ages were so backward that we invented stuff like the printing press, new types of wind and water mills, the flying buttress,new types of ships, the eye glasses and the lens linked discoveries etc Just because people didn't have vulcanic soil needed to make roman cement doesn't mean middle ages made people run around in fur wearing helmets with horns.

Pedantic point, but you might like to check out a timeline of European history to see where the Dark Ages and middle ages occur and when.

 Silentz wrote:
Like:
- Look of models in the standard Primaris power armour
- How an Intercessor squad feels like marines "should" on the table (2 attacks, 2 wounds)


Dislike:
- Lack of mobility in HQ slot. Footslogging HQs are so meh.
- How the non-standard armour variants are so chunky... agressors, inceptors, gravis. They all look too rotund.
- The way they are over-gunning new models without making them particularly durable (e.g. Redemptor, Repulsor... cost ALL the points, shoot ALL the bullets)
- The name "Hellblasters" is awful... completely out of sync with the other names.


Happy to have some Primaris in my marines army but as yet I am not kicking down GW's door to buy more.

Hopefully they get...

- A razorback-style cheap transport with maybe only 23 guns rather than the repulsor's 27
- HQ's that can fly or at least move more than 6"
- Some kind of specialist fast moving assault/melee unit

Yeah, those are the main ones for me too. To be specific I would like:

A transport well under 200pts for Primaris.
Inceptor HQs.
Power weapon of some sort for Reivers.
Heavy melee loadout for Inceptors.

I'd also like a longer range loadout for Hellblasters, though there's a risk of too much redundancy with Devs.

Hit the nail on the head Silentz.

I was actually thinking the hellblasters today whilst daydreaming about a battlefront style (the Pandemic ones, not the EA ones) 40k video game, and it occurred to me...they’ve got them backwards with regards to names. Hellblasters with plasma incinerators? Why wasn’t it...Incinerators with plasma hellblasters?

 Future War Cultist wrote:
Hit the nail on the head Silentz.

I was actually thinking the hellblasters today whilst daydreaming about a battlefront style (the Pandemic ones, not the EA ones) 40k video game, and it occurred to me...they’ve got them backwards with regards to names. Hellblasters with plasma incinerators? Why wasn’t it...Incinerators with plasma hellblasters?

Mind blown

Intercessors
Inceptors
Incinerators
Agressors
Reivers

Works much better.

The_Real_Chris wrote:

Karol wrote:
The middle ages were so backward that we invented stuff like the printing press, new types of wind and water mills, the flying buttress,new types of ships, the eye glasses and the lens linked discoveries etc Just because people didn't have vulcanic soil needed to make roman cement doesn't mean middle ages made people run around in fur wearing helmets with horns.

Pedantic point, but you might like to check out a timeline of European history to see where the Dark Ages and middle ages occur and when.

And why. Religious zealotry harnassed by a landed class of warlords as the empire disintegrated and the once thriving middle classes fell into poverty from which one escape was soldiering in crusades against heretics in order to prop up an economy dependent on perpetual war and pillage and prone to infighting... Hmmmmm. Suspiciously like the current status quo and increasingly less resembling the newly geld age of Girlyman resurgent with his shiny new boy toys.

Besides that tech history does not begin with Rome...

 jeff white wrote:

The_Real_Chris wrote:

Karol wrote:
The middle ages were so backward that we invented stuff like the printing press, new types of wind and water mills, the flying buttress,new types of ships, the eye glasses and the lens linked discoveries etc Just because people didn't have vulcanic soil needed to make roman cement doesn't mean middle ages made people run around in fur wearing helmets with horns.

Pedantic point, but you might like to check out a timeline of European history to see where the Dark Ages and middle ages occur and when.

And why. Religious zealotry harnassed by a landed class of warlords as the empire disintegrated and the once thriving middle classes fell into poverty from which one escape was soldiering in crusades against heretics in order to prop up an economy dependent on perpetual war and pillage and prone to infighting... Hmmmmm. Suspiciously like the current status quo and increasingly less resembling the newly geld age of Girlyman resurgent with his shiny new boy toys.

Besides that tech history does not begin with Rome...

The crusades didn't occur till after the dark ages, and by the time of the crusades, the western empire had been gone for about 600 years. And even so, the cause of the dark ages was a mix of things but was primarily caused by 2 things: a huge surge of germanic tribes migrating into the empire, welcome or not, and decades of civil and political strife. As the basic functions of the government collapsed, citizens sought protection under wealthy landlords who would later become the barons of medieval Europe, paving the way for a feudal society.

After West Rome finally collapsed the landlords and german warlords fought over the remnants from their humble wooden castles (mottes and baileys) and it is this period that really defined the dark ages. Once the nation states of France and Germany came into being, Northern Europe got a lot more stable.
Oh, and the vikings didn't help any. Their raids really damaged any progress being made by the local rulers. The siege of Paris was particularly spectacular.

Of course historians hate the term "dark ages" since it brings up negative and erroneous images of the time period. Ireland was finally somewhat stabilized thanks to the efforts of St. Patrick and the various new monasteries that sought to maintain and advance knowledge. (but then the vikings also burnt those down eventually, but that was later in the period)
There's also the fact that the Eastern Empire flourished for some centuries during the "dark ages" and kept all their knowledge and also made advancements.

So, not quite a representation of 40k I'd say. Maybe some bits were inspiration taken to 11.

But back to the topic. Primaris Intercessors/Reivers are cool but lack special weapons which really kills it for me. Everything else is meh to ugly (looking at you dreadnought)
And TBH, I'm not entirely convinced that Primaris will replace old marines. A bloated model line that sells doesn't really need culling does it? Maybe in 20 years old marines will go the way of he ork buggy: smashed in a promo video.

BertBert wrote:
Mind blown

 Silentz wrote:
Intercessors
Inceptors
Incinerators
Agressors
Reivers

Works much better.

You see what I mean yes? In fact, you might even be able to forget the name helblaster altogether. Have just Primaris Incinerators with plasma rifles, auto plasma guns or heavy plasma guns. Or maybe that’s too dreary, but I definitely think that Incinerator is a better name for the troop type.

And I also think that the old stubby marines won’t be phased out until every one of their units has a Primaris replacement lined up. So far at best we have a equivalents for tacticals, devastators, close range foot scouts, assault squads, centurions, and most (every?) foot slogging type character except for the tech priest. We’d need terminator, sniper scout, bike and speeder equivalents too, not to mention more tanks and aircraft if the Primes where to ever carry the range by themselves. Along with interceptor heroes and new bike heroes too.

Idea for these theorical sniper scouts; guys in the ‘Reiver’ type armour but with different helmets and wearing camo cloaks equipped with improved sniper rifles or bolt carbines.

Maybe it's just my local meta, but the only thing Primaris really feel like they're missing as a stand-alone force is the ability to destroy heavy vehicles/monstrous creatures at range.

The Newman wrote:
Maybe it's just my local meta, but the only thing Primaris really feel like they're missing as a stand-alone force is the ability to destroy heavy vehicles/monstrous creatures at range.

Yeah, need some Lasblasters

EDIT:

Actually no. Do it with Aggressors. One hand held underslung Lascannon equivalent. Give them relentless/shoot twice when stationary and bonza.

Point defense lasers on their shoulders: 12" Pistol d3, S5, -1 AP, 1D. Hits on full BS when firing overwatch. (Will also shoot twice when stationary).

If Centurions weren't 10-20 points overpriced they'd pretty much fit the bill. They're the only available old-marine infantry that's actually bigger than an Intercessor, so they don't look out of place in a Primaris army.

The Newman wrote:
If Centurions weren't 10-20 points overpriced they'd pretty much fit the bill. They're the only available old-marine infantry that's actually bigger than an Intercessor, so they don't look out of place in a Primaris army.

Aye, the las/missile loadout is eye watering. Actually MORE points than a twin las/missile dreadnought!

The cent missiles are better tbf, but when you compare the durability of the two models the pricing is insane.

But everyone knows this. The question will be has GW written off centurions at this point, or are they a going concern? Part of the issue there is that only the core chapters even get centurions, so if they want to give Primaris a long range high damage infantry Centurions may not be the answer, even costed appropriately.

I still love the terminators image, more tan any primaris model. Agressors has are a very nice model too, but they don't arrive to the termis.

I prefeer as collector: -the intercessor over the tactical
- the Dreadnought over the Redemptor
-the Land Raider over the Repulsor
-the assault marines over the reivers
-the terminators over agressors or centurions
-the primaris captain over the "normal" one

Special mention for the inceptor, I like them as model and also for play them.

And about the terminators, ATM y don't use them on table.I would like but...

Alex_85 wrote:
I still love the terminators image, more tan any primaris model. Agressors has are a very nice model too, but they don't arrive to the termis.

I prefeer as collector: -the intercessor over the tactical
- the Dreadnought over the Redemptor
-the Land Raider over the Repulsor
-the assault marines over the reivers
-the terminators over agressors or centurions
-the primaris captain over the "normal" one

Special mention for the inceptor, I like them as model and also for play them.

And about the terminators, ATM y don't use them on table.I would like but...

Mostly agree with this!

Redemptor I'm completely the opposite though. I think it's one of the best Marine kits released in years hah!

Also I don't see Terminators as directly competing with Gravis. I see them as very different roles. I think we will see a Primaris version of the Indomitus Terminator aesthetic one day.

Oh, and while I'm not that big on Reivers I do actually prefer Inceptors to Assault Marines. Obviously they too are very different roles, but aethetically there's a connection.

 Silentz wrote:

- The name "Hellblasters" is awful... completely out of sync with the other names.

Can we take a moment to look at this, because honestly I never even noticed that at some point in the Games Workshop Creative Department LLC, Archibald Fakelatin took a sick day and they had a temp fill in whose name was coming up with names for the direct to video Hellraiser sequels.

Every SINGLE name for everything these guys have is ultra pretentious ultra copyrightable fake latin bullcrap and then you've got HELLLLLLLLLLLLLBLASTERRRRRRRS, a name that Vince Mcmahon would feel silly yelling while the lights came on and the smoke machine kicked up.


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Stux wrote:

Alex_85 wrote:
I still love the terminators image, more tan any primaris model. Agressors has are a very nice model too, but they don't arrive to the termis.

I prefeer as collector: -the intercessor over the tactical
- the Dreadnought over the Redemptor
-the Land Raider over the Repulsor
-the assault marines over the reivers
-the terminators over agressors or centurions
-the primaris captain over the "normal" one

Special mention for the inceptor, I like them as model and also for play them.

And about the terminators, ATM y don't use them on table.I would like but...

Mostly agree with this!

Redemptor I'm completely the opposite though. I think it's one of the best Marine kits released in years hah!

Also I don't see Terminators as directly competing with Gravis. I see them as very different roles. I think we will see a Primaris version of the Indomitus Terminator aesthetic one day.

Oh, and while I'm not that big on Reivers I do actually prefer Inceptors to Assault Marines. Obviously they too are very different roles, but aethetically there's a connection.

I'm gonna throw out a solid "doubt it" on that one. I do not think it's a coincidence that in the years since Games Workshop's copyright troubles, they've been steadily releasing kits that solidify the basic aesthetic of "what looks like a space marine" which very critically includes the look of the helmet and the basic body proportions. Something as aesthetically divergent as the Elephanthead terminators or the weird hunchback scouts isn't going to be seen again.

Fair enough.

I don't think it would be exactly the same, it would be reproportioned to look like someone vaguely human shaped would fit in the armour! And scaled up to the Primaris scale of course.

Personally I see the basic aethetic or Terminators to be almost as big a part of the identity of Marines, and by extension 40k and even GW as a whole, as Power Armour. So I think they will be keen to continue it in this new age.

Of course, right now it probably doesn't feel like they are important, with how rarely we see Termies on the table :/

the_scotsman wrote:

 Silentz wrote:

- The name "Hellblasters" is awful... completely out of sync with the other names.

Can we take a moment to look at this, because honestly I never even noticed that at some point in the Games Workshop Creative Department LLC, Archibald Fakelatin took a sick day and they had a temp fill in whose name was coming up with names for the direct to video Hellraiser sequels.

Every SINGLE name for everything these guys have is ultra pretentious ultra copyrightable fake latin bullcrap and then you've got HELLLLLLLLLLLLLBLASTERRRRRRRS, a name that Vince Mcmahon would feel silly yelling while the lights came on and the smoke machine kicked up.

Exactly!

AND does the concept of "Hell" actually have any meaning in 40k? Even though it actually kind of does exist (I guess the Warp is pretty close) does anyone refer to it as Hell in any of the books, ever?

And if Hell did exist, would you want to blast it with an S8 gun?

It's such BS

They're called Incinerators now for me.

Stux wrote:
Fair enough.

I don't think it would be exactly the same, it would be reproportioned to look like someone vaguely human shaped would fit in the armour! And scaled up to the Primaris scale of course.

Personally I see the basic aethetic or Terminators to be almost as big a part of the identity of Marines, and by extension 40k and even GW as a whole, as Power Armour. So I think they will be keen to continue it in this new age.

Of course, right now it probably doesn't feel like they are important, with how rarely we see Termies on the table :/

More like, how many terminator kits have we had since the last time an elephant-helmet termie was released

not aggressors
not death guard
not thousand sons
not cataphractii
not tartaros
not Those Guys Who Are Totally Not A Space Marine Release You Guys Theyre Totally Unique And Different They Just Have Terminators And Land Raiders And Dreadnoughts And Boltguns Allarus Terminators

Stux wrote:
Personally I see the basic aethetic or Terminators to be almost as big a part of the identity of Marines, and by extension 40k and even GW as a whole, as Power Armour. So I think they will be keen to continue it in this new age.

Of course, right now it probably doesn't feel like they are important, with how rarely we see Termies on the table :/

Agree. I see a a space ship in any psi-fi movie and inmediatelly the SM terminators come to my mind, walking along dark floors.

Too many points for being eliminated shortly, but this is how they are right now.

Ok, but conversely that could also be a sign that they are working on Primaris Indomitus Terminators. Seeing as these things have whtat, a 9 month lead time or something like that isn't it?

Also, when was the last Space Hulk release..? That's probably technically it haha

 Silentz wrote:
Exactly!

AND does the concept of "Hell" actually have any meaning in 40k? Even though it actually kind of does exist (I guess the Warp is pretty close) does anyone refer to it as Hell in any of the books, ever?

And if Hell did exist, would you want to blast it with an S8 gun?

It's such BS

They're called Incinerators now for me.

I'm so glad that's catching on.

 Future War Cultist wrote:

 Silentz wrote:
Exactly!

AND does the concept of "Hell" actually have any meaning in 40k? Even though it actually kind of does exist (I guess the Warp is pretty close) does anyone refer to it as Hell in any of the books, ever?

And if Hell did exist, would you want to blast it with an S8 gun?

It's such BS

They're called Incinerators now for me.

I'm so glad that's catching on.

I'll put my hand up and say I am a big apologist for Primaris, but even I like this idea haha

 Future War Cultist wrote:

 Silentz wrote:
Exactly!

AND does the concept of "Hell" actually have any meaning in 40k? Even though it actually kind of does exist (I guess the Warp is pretty close) does anyone refer to it as Hell in any of the books, ever?

And if Hell did exist, would you want to blast it with an S8 gun?

It's such BS

They're called Incinerators now for me.

I'm so glad that's catching on.

Kind of reminds me of a very slightly more PG-13 version of that time when George Lucas really REALLY wanted to call one of the droid vehicles rolling around in the background so he could make a toy and lego set in the Prequels a "Hellfire droid" but the focus groups didnt like it so it got renamed a "hailfire droid".

Someone from GW legal came down to the game design workshop at one point and gave them authorization to use exactly one cuss word: hell.

And someone raised their hand and said "does this mean we can rename the stupid hot-shot lasg-"

"nowealreadyhaveacopyrightonthatshutupsteve"

and then the guy who came up with the names for all the Space Wolf stuff had himself an idea...

Stux wrote:

The Newman wrote:
If Centurions weren't 10-20 points overpriced they'd pretty much fit the bill. They're the only available old-marine infantry that's actually bigger than an Intercessor, so they don't look out of place in a Primaris army.

Aye, the las/missile loadout is eye watering. Actually MORE points than a twin las/missile dreadnought!

The cent missiles are better tbf, but when you compare the durability of the two models the pricing is insane.

But everyone knows this. The question will be has GW written off centurions at this point, or are they a going concern? Part of the issue there is that only the core chapters even get centurions, so if they want to give Primaris a long range high damage infantry Centurions may not be the answer, even costed appropriately.

That can't possibly be right.

[Checks Battlescribe]...[/Checks Battlescribe]

Holy [expletive deleted] a single Centurion is more expensive than a basic Dreadnaught. What spastic baboon thought that was ok? How does that get past playtesting? How does that get past proofreading?

danp164 wrote:
I confess I haven;t read much on the Dark Imperium just caught the clip notes that Primaris were under construction for 10k years as a directive from the Girlyman to mech master Belly Crawl and now the king has returned the Primaris have been released to chapters as reinforcements, this is the sum total of my Dark Imperum Lore knowledge, I am ok with this... furious retconning.

From a model perspective however when compared to a regular human model Genestealer cultist for example they look bang on as a massive super soldier. My issue is I know have a squad of 10 intercessors (Thank you warhammer conquest) ad I thought I would add them to my small DW army (Just veteran 2 kill teams atm) but by comparison they make the standard veteran marines look.... um a little... off kilter? So i'm wondering ow others have dealt with it, Hope it grows on you? or just start a full Primaris SM army?

I ask because I'm going to be doing a slow grow league soon with a few new players and I'm wondering whether to double down on a mixed DW army or start full Primaris SM Army...

My issue with the primaris line is that all of the models are devoid of any *soul.* When compared to the kit of Sternguard, or to the more recent Centurion/Death Watch kits, they're just bland and generic scifi troopers with long boltguns and purity seals glued on. I've recently made the decision to reubild my olver 6th/7th edition Salamanders because i have the time, money and interest in doing so, before the old line is gone permanently!

Just compare the Repulsor to the Landraider. The Raider looks infinitely better in every way. The Repulsor by contrast just looks like something they stole from the scrap room Bungie uses to toss all their failed Halo/Destiny designs into....

The_Real_Chris wrote:

Karol wrote:
The middle ages were so backward that we invented stuff like the printing press, new types of wind and water mills, the flying buttress,new types of ships, the eye glasses and the lens linked discoveries etc Just because people didn't have vulcanic soil needed to make roman cement doesn't mean middle ages made people run around in fur wearing helmets with horns.

Pedantic point, but you might like to check out a timeline of European history to see where the Dark Ages and middle ages occur and when.

It ends in 1492. all the things I listed were used or invented before that date. I really isn't a smart thing to echo XVI-XIX century propaganda. The dark ages were not dark. Even the migration period was not dark, because like in all war times, stuff like metalurgy expirianced a period of growth.

My issue with the primaris line is that all of the models are devoid of any *soul.* When compared to the kit of Sternguard, or to the more recent Centurion/Death Watch kits, they're just bland and generic scifi troopers with long boltguns and purity seals glued on. I've recently made the decision to reubild my olver 6th/7th edition Salamanders because i have the time, money and interest in doing so, before the old line is gone permanently!

I think they have "soul", if they are run as DW. If the non DW primaris got special or heavy weapons and not just bland bolters they would have soul too.

the_scotsman wrote:

 Silentz wrote:

- The name "Hellblasters" is awful... completely out of sync with the other names.

Can we take a moment to look at this, because honestly I never even noticed that at some point in the Games Workshop Creative Department LLC, Archibald Fakelatin took a sick day and they had a temp fill in whose name was coming up with names for the direct to video Hellraiser sequels.

Every SINGLE name for everything these guys have is ultra pretentious ultra copyrightable fake latin bullcrap and then you've got HELLLLLLLLLLLLLBLASTERRRRRRRS, a name that Vince Mcmahon would feel silly yelling while the lights came on and the smoke machine kicked up.


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Stux wrote:

Alex_85 wrote:
I still love the terminators image, more tan any primaris model. Agressors has are a very nice model too, but they don't arrive to the termis.

I prefeer as collector: -the intercessor over the tactical
- the Dreadnought over the Redemptor
-the Land Raider over the Repulsor
-the assault marines over the reivers
-the terminators over agressors or centurions
-the primaris captain over the "normal" one

Special mention for the inceptor, I like them as model and also for play them.

And about the terminators, ATM y don't use them on table.I would like but...

Mostly agree with this!

Redemptor I'm completely the opposite though. I think it's one of the best Marine kits released in years hah!

Also I don't see Terminators as directly competing with Gravis. I see them as very different roles. I think we will see a Primaris version of the Indomitus Terminator aesthetic one day.

Oh, and while I'm not that big on Reivers I do actually prefer Inceptors to Assault Marines. Obviously they too are very different roles, but aethetically there's a connection.

I'm gonna throw out a solid "doubt it" on that one. I do not think it's a coincidence that in the years since Games Workshop's copyright troubles, they've been steadily releasing kits that solidify the basic aesthetic of "what looks like a space marine" which very critically includes the look of the helmet and the basic body proportions. Something as aesthetically divergent as the Elephanthead terminators or the weird hunchback scouts isn't going to be seen again.

See this is what currently concerns me though. Everyone seems to think GW is riding this high right now, and everything has changed. But, has it? With the recent price hikes, I'm not sure it really has. There are new stratagems inside KT boxes al a Formations in 7th edition. If the KT boxes are selling well and the complaints about this are low, you can bet your pants that within the next year they'll port this same tired mode back into 40K proper and with each new kit or box, the stratagems present within them will break the base game more and more, the same way formations did in 7th.

Can we also mention the fact that GW really does seem to just be flooding the market with release after release in the same way that a breacher would knock down a door in Afghanistan in a terrorist compound and spray buckshot, just hoping to get a hit? I really have a feeling that part of their recent success is related to the fact that they're selling so many varied products, rather than actually increasing spending due to quality products at reasonable prices. Look at tactical marine kits, compared to Intercessors. In the intercessor kit, you get....BOLTGUNS! Wooo! But in the tactical kit you get Boltguns, Meltas, Flamers, Plasma and Gravity, bolt pistols, grav pistols, plas pistols, chain swords, power axes, power swords, power fists, knives, a missile launcher and a heavy bolter!

The custom ability of the Tactical Kit over the Primaris kit is no contest, the primaris lose every time on this.


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Karol wrote:

The_Real_Chris wrote:

Karol wrote:
The middle ages were so backward that we invented stuff like the printing press, new types of wind and water mills, the flying buttress,new types of ships, the eye glasses and the lens linked discoveries etc Just because people didn't have vulcanic soil needed to make roman cement doesn't mean middle ages made people run around in fur wearing helmets with horns.

Pedantic point, but you might like to check out a timeline of European history to see where the Dark Ages and middle ages occur and when.

It ends in 1492. all the things I listed were used or invented before that date. I really isn't a smart thing to echo XVI-XIX century propaganda. The dark ages were not dark. Even the migration period was not dark, because like in all war times, stuff like metalurgy expirianced a period of growth.

My issue with the primaris line is that all of the models are devoid of any *soul.* When compared to the kit of Sternguard, or to the more recent Centurion/Death Watch kits, they're just bland and generic scifi troopers with long boltguns and purity seals glued on. I've recently made the decision to reubild my olver 6th/7th edition Salamanders because i have the time, money and interest in doing so, before the old line is gone permanently!

I think they have "soul", if they are run as DW. If the non DW primaris got special or heavy weapons and not just bland bolters they would have soul too.

I don't even think they have it there. They still look like bad copies of characters from Destiny or from League of Legends. They remind me so much more of Infinity models than they do of "Warhammer" models.

They don't look anything like infinity models, inifnity models actually look good.

 Togusa wrote:

danp164 wrote:
I confess I haven;t read much on the Dark Imperium just caught the clip notes that Primaris were under construction for 10k years as a directive from the Girlyman to mech master Belly Crawl and now the king has returned the Primaris have been released to chapters as reinforcements, this is the sum total of my Dark Imperum Lore knowledge, I am ok with this... furious retconning.

From a model perspective however when compared to a regular human model Genestealer cultist for example they look bang on as a massive super soldier. My issue is I know have a squad of 10 intercessors (Thank you warhammer conquest) ad I thought I would add them to my small DW army (Just veteran 2 kill teams atm) but by comparison they make the standard veteran marines look.... um a little... off kilter? So i'm wondering ow others have dealt with it, Hope it grows on you? or just start a full Primaris SM army?

I ask because I'm going to be doing a slow grow league soon with a few new players and I'm wondering whether to double down on a mixed DW army or start full Primaris SM Army...

My issue with the primaris line is that all of the models are devoid of any *soul.* When compared to the kit of Sternguard, or to the more recent Centurion/Death Watch kits, they're just bland and generic scifi troopers with long boltguns and purity seals glued on. I've recently made the decision to reubild my olver 6th/7th edition Salamanders because i have the time, money and interest in doing so, before the old line is gone permanently!

In fairness many people where complaining that the latest SM models had too much bling I think giving us the marines in just their armor and letting us bling them out is proably the right way to go. bling and tabards can be added on after the fact. eaither with bits and peices collected from various other kits, some green stuff (for the record I suck with green stuff myself so I'm NOT saying "ohh you can just do anything with green stuff) or from forge world. one area where GW was smart was making primaris heads and shoulders interchangeable with old marine heads and shoulders. those are invariably the easiest and most common pieces for customization)