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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/09/04 20:32:31
Subject: Unit coherency?
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Mindless Spore Mine
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So to be in coherency, a model needs to be within 2" of another model in the unit.
What prevents the unit from breaking into pairs as long as each model is within 2" of another model in the Unit
Very rules lawyery / exploit.
I believe it is possible by the wording. Would never do it, but is it legal? I think it may be.
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I bought squats. I want gyrocopters, and huge mortars.
Or Zoats, got a solid squad of them. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/09/04 20:49:53
Subject: Unit coherency?
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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FAQ'd very early on after endless discussion.
Q: Can I set up a unit, or finish any sort of move with a unit,
so that its models form several separate groups (where each
group consists of models from that unit that are within 2"
horizontally and 6" vertically of at least one other model from
their group)?
A: No. The unit must set up or finish any sort of move as
a single group.
Rulebook FAQ page 3.
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Stormonu wrote:For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules" |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/09/04 20:53:36
Subject: Re:Unit coherency?
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Executing Exarch
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I was sure it had been FAQ'd, since it's a question that often comes up in previous editions of 40k, but I can't seem to find it (I have checked the Rulebook FAQ, Designers Commentary, Stepping Into A New Edition, Chapter Approved 2017 FAQ, and The Big FAQ for the word "coherency").
One thing that might crop up if you're not careful in removing casualties is (from the Designer's Commentary):
Q: What happens if a unit that has become split up during battle cannot re-establish unit coherency the next time it moves?
A: In this case the unit cannot move.
Note that the rules concerning unit coherency apply any time that a unit is moved, including charging, piling in, consolidating, etc. Again, if a unit cannot end such a move in unit coherency, it cannot make the move.
{Edit} Ah, thanks for that JohnnyHell, silly me for thinking a rule about coherency would use the word "coherency" {/Edit}
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/09/04 20:54:18
Subject: Unit coherency?
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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I've provided the FAQ reference and quote above.
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Stormonu wrote:For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules" |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/09/04 20:54:55
Subject: Unit coherency?
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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Off the top of my head? When any model in on of the "pairs" is killed, the only movement action the unit can do in the next turn is to attempt to regain coherency. That could get pretty messy. EDIT: Thanx Johnnyhell, that was pretty cut-n-dry -
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/09/04 21:11:44
Subject: Re:Unit coherency?
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Lieutenant General
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From the Warhammer 40,000 8th edition Rulebook (emphasis added):
A unit must be set up and finish any sort of move as a group, with every model within 2" horizontally, and 6" vertically, of at least one other model from their unit: this is called unit coherency.
Not two or more groups but "... as a group..." and further clarified by the FAQ that JohnnyHell referenced.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/09/05 05:51:45
Subject: Unit coherency?
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Norn Queen
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For what it's worth, what the OP described WAS possible pre-Special-Snowflake-FAQ, since that is what the RaW states.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/09/05 06:31:23
Subject: Unit coherency?
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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BaconCatBug wrote:For what it's worth, what the OP described WAS possible pre-Special-Snowflake- FAQ, since that is what the RaW states.
Which is 100% irrelevant because it has been FAQ’d.
The RAW now includes all FAQ and Errata and does not allow it.
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Stormonu wrote:For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules" |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/09/05 09:02:21
Subject: Unit coherency?
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Captain of the Forlorn Hope
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BaconCatBug wrote:For what it's worth, what the OP described WAS possible pre-Special-Snowflake- FAQ, since that is what the RaW states.
It was not legal, as "A unit must be set up and finish any sort of move as a group"
Not two or more groups... As a (a meaning single) group.
People misreading a rule does not mean it was possible before the FAQ.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/09/05 13:09:39
Subject: Unit coherency?
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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DeathReaper wrote: BaconCatBug wrote:For what it's worth, what the OP described WAS possible pre-Special-Snowflake- FAQ, since that is what the RaW states.
It was not legal, as "A unit must be set up and finish any sort of move as a group"
Not two or more groups... As a (a meaning single) group.
People misreading a rule does not mean it was possible before the FAQ.
But... but... he is never wrong because reasons!
And I agree, the FAQ in no way changes anything. It just clarified the rule for the awkward and the intractable who thought they’d found a killer strategy.
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Stormonu wrote:For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules" |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/09/05 21:46:02
Subject: Unit coherency?
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Captain of the Forlorn Hope
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JohnnyHell wrote: DeathReaper wrote: BaconCatBug wrote:For what it's worth, what the OP described WAS possible pre-Special-Snowflake- FAQ, since that is what the RaW states.
It was not legal, as "A unit must be set up and finish any sort of move as a group"
Not two or more groups... As a (a meaning single) group.
People misreading a rule does not mean it was possible before the FAQ.
But... but... he is never wrong because reasons!
And I agree, the FAQ in no way changes anything. It just clarified the rule for the awkward and the intractable who thought they’d found a killer strategy.
Well his arguments are wrong sometimes. This thread is a perfect example of that.
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