What "bad" unit do you love

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**Lemondish**

Land Raiders.

As a mostly Deathwatch player right now, I lack for anti-tank. Not because I don't have choices, but because the choices I do have are stupid expensive. Like the Land Raider.

But man, that thing is just an absolute beast of a cool model...

Bonus: Repulsors - as the Primaris LR equivalent, I want to play more of these...but it's stupid expensive for the impact it has on the table. If it could fire SIA out of those storm bolters....

**Table**

Rubrics.

**gnome_idea_what**

Trukk Nobz- I love my kitted out models but they kinda die to everythng while accomplishing nothing.

**Alex_85**

Oh yes.

Terminators

**Venerable Ironclad**

Well I think they are better then most people give them credit for, but I love ripping apart my enemy's back line with Necron Flayed Ones.

**Giantwalkingchair**

Exorcists.
Back in the day, a single shot could terrorize an opponent. Friends would get nervous just seeing one on the table.
Now, you get lucky and get full 6 shots off and you roll your eyes because thats 6 dice that will barely scratch the paint work of whatever youve decided to waste your time pointing it at.
Still, its a great looking model and will always take it because my army feels incomplete without a giant organ on a tank firing missiles out its pipes.

**TonyH122**

For my Chaos force: Helbrutes. I just think they're so quintessentially 40k, and look great. Have three, never use them, but love them to pieces. I'd get ten if they were good.

For my Nids: Raveners. I just think they look so sleek. They were fine before the big FAQ, but now not so much. But oh how I love them. Just so Niddly!

**Brutus_Apex**

I love everything thats bad.

Incubi
Wraithblades
Wraith Lords
Wraith Knights
Terminators
Actual Tactical Marines
Assault Marines
Crusader Marines
Black Templars in general
Grey Knights (everything)
Chaplains
Land Raiders

You name it, if it does close combat then I probably like it and it probably sucks so bad that you will lose games just thinking about taking them.

**Stux**

TonyH122 wrote:
For my Chaos force: Helbrutes. I just think they're so quintessentially 40k, and look great. Have three, never use them, but love them to pieces. I'd get ten if they were good.

For my Nids: Raveners. I just think they look so sleek. They were fine before the big FAQ, but now not so much. But oh how I love them. Just so Niddly!

Raveners are still great in Jormungandr I think! Much cheaper than a Trygon and much more space around a unit of 3 for deploying units from tunnels.

**cosmicsoybean**

Excommunicatus wrote:
Zarakynel, or as I call her - The Violet Heart.

Nearly 700pts, She's massive, hard to hide and fragile

I disagree, at least in a mono slaanesh army, she pulls her weight quite well. drop her, kill pretty much anything in 1 round and she forces the enemy to put all of their firepower into her, and if they don't kill her shes going to be deleting anything she touches. Basically forces them to pick killing her, or ignoring the 100 daemonettes putting out like 300 attacks speeding towards them.

**TangoTwoBravo**

Deathwing Terminators.

**Bach**

For me, it's the Maulerfiend. Never has such a cool model been so worthless on the tabletop.

**dreadblade**

Nazrak wrote:
Nevelon wrote:
I agree that a marine list doesn’t feel like a marine army unless it has a squad or two of tacs. And I field full 10 man squads, with both the special and the heavy. I’m playing Ultramarines, if I don’t uphold the doctrines of the Codex, who will?

I pretty much field the full gambit of “suck” units. Terminators, assault marines, land raiders, chaplains, drop pods in 8th. The list goes on. Not all at once, mind you. I try to temper my inclusion of mediocre units by tightening up my list elsewhere. Plus I don’t play in a hyper-competitive meta. So it works out, and I have fun.

Much the same here. My idea of what constitutes a “proper” Space Marine army calcified somewhere around 1992 and I’m buggered if I’m changing that based purely on competitive efficiency.

Same here! I'm reliving my RT days in 8th edition

**Marmatag**

Genestealers. They're completely absent from the meta, but I love fielding them and can usually get some mileage out of them before they die.

**Xenomancers**

Galef wrote:
Xenomancers wrote:
For Eldar - it's wraith lords. I think they are one of the best looking models in the game. I try to include 2 of them to tone down lists sometimes.
Oh that's a good one. Is it too late to change my answer?

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It's never too late! Though it might be too late for wraithlords and their kin.

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Lemondish wrote:
Land Raiders.

As a mostly Deathwatch player right now, I lack for anti-tank. Not because I don't have choices, but because the choices I do have are stupid expensive. Like the Land Raider.

But man, that thing is just an absolute beast of a cool model...

Bonus: Repulsors - as the Primaris LR equivalent, I want to play more of these...but it's stupid expensive for the impact it has on the table. If it could fire SIA out of those storm bolters....

It has plenty of impact it just dies too easy for it's cost. I have hope that it will drop in price. As it stands though - it's auto include for a space marine army only pulling out of the space marine codex.

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Thadin wrote:
Xenomancers wrote:
Thadin wrote:
While it's not bad persay, it certainly has it's niche in ruining Mortarion and Eldar's life...

Love me my Astraeus. She's a beastly brick of resin with fairly nasty guns. The stats don't add up to 750 points, however... Such a shame.

I was so excited to get this thing - then saw it's rules and I was like...WAH?

I'm fine with it's rules. It's main cannon is powerful; it's just about a Baneblade Cannon, with a reliable number of shots, weaker STR if I remember right, but, the added bonus of ignoring Modifiers to Hit vs Targets with Fly. A host of other decent guns, hard to charge and tie down, ect.

I wish it's Void Shield was better, and that it had a Transport Capacity, but that's just my opinion. I like it's rules. I don't like it's cost.

Another thing I wish, was for all Anti-Aircraft weapons, and things like it, I think it would be better if they had the Astraeus' wording. Ignore negative modifiers to hit when targeting fly keyword, rather than a mere +1 to hit. It's worse against non-eldar, not supersonic equivalent flyers, but stronger against stacked modifiers.

The fact it can't transport like 20 primaris models and Weak AF voidsheilds is mind blowing. I have a Falchion and it seems the difference in cost is worth it over the Asstrerus. Though they are both overcosted by at least 150 points.

**Nazrak**

Brother Castor wrote:
Nazrak wrote:
Nevelon wrote:
I agree that a marine list doesn’t feel like a marine army unless it has a squad or two of tacs. And I field full 10 man squads, with both the special and the heavy. I’m playing Ultramarines, if I don’t uphold the doctrines of the Codex, who will?

I pretty much field the full gambit of “suck” units. Terminators, assault marines, land raiders, chaplains, drop pods in 8th. The list goes on. Not all at once, mind you. I try to temper my inclusion of mediocre units by tightening up my list elsewhere. Plus I don’t play in a hyper-competitive meta. So it works out, and I have fun.

Much the same here. My idea of what constitutes a “proper” Space Marine army calcified somewhere around 1992 and I’m buggered if I’m changing that based purely on competitive efficiency.

Same here! I'm reliving my RT days in 8th edition

Haha, glad to hear it’s not just me then!

**grouchoben**

Terminators. I refuse to give up! The best I've come up with is 5 DW termis with power axes and SIA Combibolters. They do ... something.

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Bach wrote:
For me, it's the Maulerfiend. Never has such a cool model been so worthless on the tabletop.

Im interested as to why you say this. Not only have I never heard a complaint about it before but I use two as well. Sure they are not the hardiest unit around but for the price you get a good deal. However perhaps in your meta this is different, elaborate if you would, im honestly curious.

**Arson Fire**

The tyranid dimachaeron. The model is spectacular, and I love putting it on the table.
But it is possibly the most pillowfisted, squishy pile of trash in my collection.

**Desubot**

Vindicators

every single time.

**Nightlord1987**

Most of the Bad but still Played units are holdovers from last edition that I wont give up on.

Loyalists: SM Bikers and Thunderfire Cannons.

Orks: Lootaz, and Kommandos.

CSM: Spawn, Rhinos, Heldrakes.

Also adding the Lascannon Misile Launcher Helbrute.

**Galas**

grouchoben wrote:
Terminators. I refuse to give up! The best I've come up with is 5 DW termis with power axes and SIA Combibolters. They do ... something.

The best loyalist terminators I have found, are Deathwing Knights (A beast in meele but very expensive and bad delivery options), and Cathapractii terminators with 1 Lighting claw+Assault Bolter.

**Kitane**

Yep, the Raveners. I bought 9 of them for the old Subterranean Swarm formation, but I never had the opportunity to field them properly in the 7th edition.

I love the model design, it's frustrating how GW simply refuses to give them decent rules or access to biomorphs. No, being a cheap taxi doesn't really count.

That the kit doesn't contain generic biomorph bits? Many Nid kits are missing it as well, how about releasing a biomorph upgrade sprue or something...

**The Newman**

Can I just say "Space Marines" and leave it at that? No?

I do have to say that I don't understand the dislike for the Whirlwind. It's a 72" twin-linked Autocannon (which most people seem to agree is a good gun) with indirect fire. And not too much more expensive than a Dev squad with two ACs would be if a Dev squad could take ACs in the first place.

**Claas**

iGuy91 wrote:
Necron Lychguard.
No delivery mechanisms, 5 inch movement...wheeeee

Its pricey but you can take a cryptek with a veil, teleport him and NZ 9" away, then Obyron Ghostwalks a unit of warscythe Lychguard 3" away from enemy and withinh 6" of NZ for turn 1 charge. Also no restrictions on number of uses for Ghostwalk Mantle so then you can leapfrog over NZ to get some extra movement. Pricey and not competitive but can be fun if you want to kill something with lychguard.

**ccs**

Well, what're people currently hating on math-wise? I'll probably be using it. Maybe even in multiples.

As I've been away from the game for almost 2.5 editions I'm not yet current on what all units have been deemed bad this time.

I have noticed a lot of anti-marine sentiment though. So as the 1st army I'm pulling out of storage is my Space Wolves....
But if I had to pick? The worst will probably be my drop pods. Expensive & almost completely forbidden from doing there job.

**Vitali Advenil**

Deff Dreads. Expensive in points, terrible shooting, slow, and underwhelming in damage for what you pay, they're one of the worst walkers out there. But dammit, they're one of my favorite looking models in the entire game so it's not gonna stop me from fielding three of them.

**tneva82**

Vitali Advenil wrote:
Deff Dreads. Expensive in points, terrible shooting, slow, and underwhelming in damage for what you pay, they're one of the worst walkers out there. But dammit, they're one of my favorite looking models in the entire game so it's not gonna stop me from fielding three of them.

This + killa kans. Both die by saying "boo" but damn they look sweet.

**Just Tony**

Troops choices. Barring the start of my gaming experience when I didn't know better, my armies have all been built around 40-50% Troops. Same with that filthy squares game over there...

**darkcloak**

Prolly the 8th guy to say this but...

I like tactical squads.