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2018/09/19 00:17:09
Subject: [2000] - Nurgle - Death Guard - Renegade Knights - Need Advice
Running Nurgle,Deathguard and Rene. Knights for the 1st time at a local tournament. Made 2 lists I want to test out but only have time to practice 1 army until the event.
Renegade Knight [25 PL, 489pts]: Heavy stubber, Ironstorm Missile Pod
. Avenger gatling cannon and heavy flamer: Avenger gatling cannon, Heavy flamer
. Avenger gatling cannon and heavy flamer: Avenger gatling cannon, Heavy flamer
Renegade Knight [25 PL, 473pts]: Heavy stubber
. Avenger gatling cannon and heavy flamer: Avenger gatling cannon, Heavy flamer
. Avenger gatling cannon and heavy flamer: Avenger gatling cannon, Heavy flamer
++ Total: [111 PL, 2000pts] ++
List 1 is about phalanxing Poxwalkers and Plaguebearers up the board. Using buffs from gems, relics and HQ buffs. Nurglings to go into terrain and prevent DSing. PBC will move with the horde to take use of Nurgle Loci. Cultist will stay in DZ and bubble up the knight. Hoping to have board control and prevent my opponent from DSing into position.
List 2 swaps Pbearers for an extra PBC and 3 Nurglings. As well as an extra Dprince. This list is made incase my turns take too long with list 1 seeing a small bit hordy so swapping bodies for more Dakka.
What do you guys think about these lists? Am I just better off running a Deathguard Battalion and putting the Pbearers and Nurglings in the Troops choice? Or maybe you have a list that I could use that better than these? I also have a rules pack so I can upload it if people like.
Thanks in advance for your help.
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Renegade Armigers [18 PL, 348pts] . Renegade Armiger: Heavy stubber, Two armiger autocannons
. Renegade Armiger: Heavy stubber, Two armiger autocannons
Renegade Knight [25 PL, 473pts]: Heavy stubber
. Avenger gatling cannon and heavy flamer: Avenger gatling cannon, Heavy flamer
. Avenger gatling cannon and heavy flamer: Avenger gatling cannon, Heavy flamer
++ Total: [107 PL, 1999pts] ++
This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2018/09/19 07:45:59
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2018/09/19 09:59:20
Subject: Re:[2000] - Nurgle - Death Guard - Renegade Knights - Need Advice
Only issue I can see is that you're going to struggle to take out knights, leman rusd etc lists. Although you're going to do well with that amount of board control. If you're looking to make more poxwalkers pink horrors work better than plaguebearers or cultists as you can use their split ability to make 3 poxwalkers per pink horror.
I'd say that you could loose some troops and upgrade some of your characters for more daemon princes (skullreaver khorne, corruption nurgle etc) to give the list a bit more punch.
2018/09/19 10:56:22
Subject: [2000] - Nurgle - Death Guard - Renegade Knights - Need Advice
to split horrors you need spared point and poxwalkers cant anymore get over the starting unit size so it wont work so good. To take consistenly out Ik you must tailor your list against them, and that wont work in tournaments where you dont know who you will face.
This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2018/09/19 11:02:53
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2018/09/19 12:05:43
Subject: [2000] - Nurgle - Death Guard - Renegade Knights - Need Advice
blackmage wrote: to split horrors you need spared point and poxwalkers cant anymore get over the starting unit size so it wont work so good. To take consistenly out Ik you must tailor your list against them, and that wont work in tournaments where you dont know who you will face.
Ah didn't know that they'd faq the unit size. Does that apply to daemons with icon as well??
In my local scene knights are everywhere so I always think of facing those lists. Plus there's a couple that play 9 hellhounds or 9 leman russes. Which are a pain if you're not prepared for them.
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2018/09/19 13:28:02
Subject: Re:[2000] - Nurgle - Death Guard - Renegade Knights - Need Advice
small_gods wrote: Only issue I can see is that you're going to struggle to take out knights, leman rusd etc lists. Although you're going to do well with that amount of board control. If you're looking to make more poxwalkers pink horrors work better than plaguebearers or cultists as you can use their split ability to make 3 poxwalkers per pink horror.
I'd say that you could loose some troops and upgrade some of your characters for more daemon princes (skullreaver khorne, corruption nurgle etc) to give the list a bit more punch.
Thank you for the advice. If I was too add more anti-tank what's would you recommend I'd swap and bring? Dguard Battalion is only for CPs really and to make Poxwalkers T5 w/ Typhus and Pysker power. As well as the gem to make them the only target to shoot at. Is it possible to bring Plaguebearers in a Dguard Battalion or do they have to be in a Daemon detachment?
Renegade Armigers [18 PL, 348pts] . Renegade Armiger: Heavy stubber, Two armiger autocannons
. Renegade Armiger: Heavy stubber, Two armiger autocannons
Renegade Knight [25 PL, 473pts]: Heavy stubber
. Avenger gatling cannon and heavy flamer: Avenger gatling cannon, Heavy flamer
. Avenger gatling cannon and heavy flamer: Avenger gatling cannon, Heavy flamer
++ Total: [107 PL, 1999pts] ++
Thanks for the reply. Your list looks good man. Can you tell me a lot but more about it. As in, how you ran it, what it is built for how effective it was for horses and tanks?
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Well the best anti tank in these sorts of list are charcters that you can hide behind your hordes of poxwalkers etc. If you have anything else but a knight or something you can deepstrike (like oblitorators). Then you need to bring a few so you still have some left on turn 2.
The easiest to fit in is the nurgle daemon prince with the corruption relic. You give him virrulent touch and cast virrulent blessing. Which all stacks up and can make him have a decent punch getting up to 7 damage on 5s and 6s to woind (I think).
My favorite is the Khorne DP with skullreaver, he is immense against titans and most big stuff. Although you'd loose your nurgle daemons trait if you takr him.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Oh and you can bring plaguebearers in a deathguard detachment and have nurgle as yoir faction keyword. But you loose your deathguard legion trait.
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2018/09/19 20:55:51
Subject: [2000] - Nurgle - Death Guard - Renegade Knights - Need Advice
blackmage wrote: to split horrors you need spared point and poxwalkers cant anymore get over the starting unit size so it wont work so good. To take consistenly out Ik you must tailor your list against them, and that wont work in tournaments where you dont know who you will face.
Ah didn't know that they'd faq the unit size. Does that apply to daemons with icon as well??
In my local scene knights are everywhere so I always think of facing those lists. Plus there's a couple that play 9 hellhounds or 9 leman russes. Which are a pain if you're not prepared for them.
you never cant get over starting size with demon icon you only recover up to d6 SLAIN models, so if you lost 4 you can regain max 4, i try to keep Ik at bay right now playing 4 Dp's , 1 korne Dp with skullreaver and 3 Ts dp (one with axe), that and lot of smites let me keep them in check, Ik start to really become dangerous when they bring lot of bodies protecting them, so you cant smite them or easily charge.
small_gods wrote: Only issue I can see is that you're going to struggle to take out knights, leman rusd etc lists. Although you're going to do well with that amount of board control. If you're looking to make more poxwalkers pink horrors work better than plaguebearers or cultists as you can use their split ability to make 3 poxwalkers per pink horror.
I'd say that you could loose some troops and upgrade some of your characters for more daemon princes (skullreaver khorne, corruption nurgle etc) to give the list a bit more punch.
Thank you for the advice. If I was too add more anti-tank what's would you recommend I'd swap and bring? Dguard Battalion is only for CPs really and to make Poxwalkers T5 w/ Typhus and Pysker power. As well as the gem to make them the only target to shoot at. Is it possible to bring Plaguebearers in a Dguard Battalion or do they have to be in a Daemon detachment?
Renegade Armigers [18 PL, 348pts] . Renegade Armiger: Heavy stubber, Two armiger autocannons
. Renegade Armiger: Heavy stubber, Two armiger autocannons
Renegade Knight [25 PL, 473pts]: Heavy stubber
. Avenger gatling cannon and heavy flamer: Avenger gatling cannon, Heavy flamer
. Avenger gatling cannon and heavy flamer: Avenger gatling cannon, Heavy flamer
++ Total: [107 PL, 1999pts] ++
Thanks for the reply. Your list looks good man. Can you tell me a lot but more about it. As in, how you ran it, what it is built for how effective it was for horses and tanks?
well.... how i ran depend by opponent and mission, all my model which fire control the backfield, against static gunlines Ik move closer looking for a charge and roast some units with heavy flamers locking some guns in melee, Nurgle battalion give me decent board control and something annoying to deal with, tanks are handled by massive firepower i can deliver and the Dp's, Nurgle dp with virulent blessing+corruption wound any tank at 2+ re rolling wounds delivering up tp 7 wound each swing (3 for corruption x2 with a 7+ to wound thanks to virulent blessing +1 for locus), usually i dont have lot of troubles with thanks (at least with normal played tournament lists). This list can deliver a large amount of damage, can have troubles if someone can quickly dispose of your Pb, but if you start and get off miasma on them, -2 to hit is huge, until now i didn't find a list which in a single turn removed 30 pb at -2 to hit.
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2018/09/22 16:53:15
Subject: [2000] - Nurgle - Death Guard - Renegade Knights - Need Advice
Renegade Armigers [9 PL, 174pts] . Renegade Armiger: Heavy stubber, Two armiger autocannons
Renegade Armigers [9 PL, 174pts] . Renegade Armiger: Heavy stubber, Two armiger autocannons
Renegade Knight [25 PL, 489pts]: Heavy stubber, Ironstorm Missile Pod
. Avenger gatling cannon and heavy flamer: Avenger gatling cannon, Heavy flamer
. Avenger gatling cannon and heavy flamer: Avenger gatling cannon, Heavy flamer
By changing warlord and warlord trait to Arch-Contaminator I can make the PBC re-roll all wound rolls and that will help with getting 6+ to wound giving addition wound to each D3 dmg. Do you think swapping Warlord traiths would be a wise move?
yes in list posted above i have an arch contaminator Dp
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2018/09/22 20:03:13
Subject: [2000] - Nurgle - Death Guard - Renegade Knights - Need Advice
i might have troubles with list with Castellan+AM+BA cause his castellan over perform my Ik's or some demons lists like nurgle+ts. too much resilent bodies and too much hard hitters (dp's+psychic power) but most depend by mission and your skills with the list, btw i think that's a good overall list, you have decent numeber of bodies a good fire phase and some quality melee, for a local tournament i m sure it is a great list, tomorrow i have a tournament but i decided to change list this time, i will play a mono demons list based on infantry, another kind of list can give troubles to list we are talking about, the best counter you have is double gatling Ik it can wreak havocs on demonic infatry, 2 gatling Ik's are a pain in the ass for infantry based lists.
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