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Hello,

Since the ancient rule says "...it can either shoot with one of its weapons as if it were the shooting phase..." and the signum rule says "Before this unit shoots in the Shooting phase..." I was wondering if we could use it when the model dies and does its final attack. And if so, is the Chapter Ancient really worth taking instead if the Company one?

Also, same question for the Cherub?

CypherF wrote:
Hello,

Since the ancient rule says "...it can either shoot with one of its weapons as if it were the shooting phase..." and the signum rule says "Before this unit shoots in the Shooting phase..." I was wondering if we could use it when the model dies and does its final attack. And if so, is the Chapter Ancient really worth taking instead if the Company one?

Also, same question for the Cherub?

Strictly speaking, you cannot. Just because the model shoots as if it were the phase, it doesn't actually become the phase.

Ancient procs on a model by model basis. Signum can only be procced/used when the UNIT shoots.

When you've taken casualties during opponents' turn, your UNIT of devs are not shooting, so no, it wouldn't work the way you're asking.