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So, I play orks, and as such I'm only accustomed to simple army detachments (usually 1-2 ), and one relic, because that's all I have.

But I was playing someone with an ultramarines army, and 2 knights, each of which had their own detachment from different houses.

I've seen people take, say, a marine detachment with their own relic alongside an IG detachment with their own relic.

Consequently, my understanding was that each army detachment gets their own relic. So, the UM detachment gets their own. Do each of the knights, from different houses and detachments, get their own relics for free, or do they have to spend command points to get multiple relics?

Or, do you only get one relic for 'free' per faction, regardless of how many detachments from that faction you bring?

I couldn't really find much on relic rules, except for my own CA relic, which just said the ork army gets a relic, so I'm not sure how exactly they work when you have multiple armies and relic options.

Not really correct at all, but don't worry, because we're here to help!


Each army gets 1 free Relic. All Factions that currently have a codex have a Stratagem that can purchase additional relics for a cost of Command Points (has always been 1CP for one of a faction's relics, or 3CP instead for two of a faction's relics). As such, for each different Codex-Having Faction you bring to the table, you can theoretically bring 2 additional relics to the table.

You only get access to stratagems if you have at least one valid detachment of each faction.

It’s actually debatable that you get the relics for difffernt faction detachments other than your worlord’s. Each stratagem says “extra” as the qualifying condition requiring there to be one prior to that. I expect the FAQ to address this in some manner.

 NecronLord3 wrote:
It’s actually debatable that you get the relics for difffernt faction detachments other than your worlord’s. Each stratagem says “extra” as the qualifying condition requiring there to be one prior to that. I expect the FAQ to address this in some manner.

Not really debatable since the Death Guard FAQ.

Q: If my army is led by a Chaos Space Marines Warlord, and
I have a Detachment of Death Guard, can I use the Gifts of
Decay Death Guard Stratagem to include a Relic on a Death
Guard Character?
A: Yes. The only requirement to have access to
Stratagems is that you have a Detachment of the
appropriate Faction. If you have a Death Guard
Detachment, you have access to their Stratagems.

Any detachment of X Faction lets you use their Stratagem to gain extra relics.

Wouldn’t be the first time this edition that GW has totally reversed a mistake in their FAQ, since the requirements of the stratagem are still not met even if you are allowed to use it.

 NecronLord3 wrote:
Wouldn’t be the first time this edition that GW has totally reversed a mistake in their FAQ, since the requirements of the stratagem are still not met even if you are allowed to use it.

This isn't a new FAQ ruling. If they were going to change it, they've had the opportunity to do so.

So the argument is that an FAQ answer that's been up for over a year with changes made to the FAQ (but not to this answer) is that it might be a mistake.

Could they change it? Sure, they could change it. Right now though? It's pretty clear.

 Yarium wrote:
Not really correct at all, but don't worry, because we're here to help!


Each army gets 1 free Relic. All Factions that currently have a codex have a Stratagem that can purchase additional relics for a cost of Command Points (has always been 1CP for one of a faction's relics, or 3CP instead for two of a faction's relics). As such, for each different Codex-Having Faction you bring to the table, you can theoretically bring 2 additional relics to the table.

Ok, hold on. So, in the case of the UM + Knights army I mentioned, that combined army could bring one relic, correct? And if the knights wanted to bring a relic, they'd pay 1 CP, and for 2 they'd pay 3CP, and ditto for the UM.

So, the knights don't get a free relic just for being from a different faction? It's just one FREE relic per army, regardless of the amount of factions and/or detachments?


That makes sense, honestly, but where is that defined? I didn't see anything about relics in the BRB.

 Kap'n Krump wrote:
That makes sense, honestly, but where is that defined? I didn't see anything about relics in the BRB.

Answered five posts up by Jacksmiles.

 Kap'n Krump wrote:

 Yarium wrote:
Not really correct at all, but don't worry, because we're here to help!


Each army gets 1 free Relic. All Factions that currently have a codex have a Stratagem that can purchase additional relics for a cost of Command Points (has always been 1CP for one of a faction's relics, or 3CP instead for two of a faction's relics). As such, for each different Codex-Having Faction you bring to the table, you can theoretically bring 2 additional relics to the table.

Ok, hold on. So, in the case of the UM + Knights army I mentioned, that combined army could bring one relic, correct? And if the knights wanted to bring a relic, they'd pay 1 CP, and for 2 they'd pay 3CP, and ditto for the UM.

So, the knights don't get a free relic just for being from a different faction? It's just one FREE relic per army, regardless of the amount of factions and/or detachments?


That makes sense, honestly, but where is that defined? I didn't see anything about relics in the BRB.

It's not in the BRB and it's actually not as simple as one free relic per army. The Codices, and I think it's every Codex, says you get 1 free relic for having your warlord be of that faction. That's the freebie. All extra relics beyond that, including ones for separate factions, have to be gained by using the appropriate 1CP/3CP stratagem.

 Kap'n Krump wrote:

 Yarium wrote:
Not really correct at all, but don't worry, because we're here to help!


Each army gets 1 free Relic. All Factions that currently have a codex have a Stratagem that can purchase additional relics for a cost of Command Points (has always been 1CP for one of a faction's relics, or 3CP instead for two of a faction's relics). As such, for each different Codex-Having Faction you bring to the table, you can theoretically bring 2 additional relics to the table.

Ok, hold on. So, in the case of the UM + Knights army I mentioned, that combined army could bring one relic, correct? And if the knights wanted to bring a relic, they'd pay 1 CP, and for 2 they'd pay 3CP, and ditto for the UM.

So, the knights don't get a free relic just for being from a different faction? It's just one FREE relic per army, regardless of the amount of factions and/or detachments?


That makes sense, honestly, but where is that defined? I didn't see anything about relics in the BRB.

Correct. Only thing how knights differ regarding others thus is that their relic giving strategem also makes knight also a character so they can have one. Keep that in mind as those knights suddenly can do also heroic interventions. Don't try to block knight from moving forward by leaving infantry 1.1" front of it!

Also on similar note knights can give 1-2 knights also warlord traits in same way(can be same or different to relic ones) who don't count as warlord for slay the warlord etc.