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2018/10/11 07:20:33
Subject: The Emperor as a nascent Warp God of "balance" and eating the chaos Gods.
I was thinking about the Emperor, specifically about what he could become a warp god of, if that's what will eventually happen to him, and how so many of the potential roles he could fill are frankly already covered by the big four.
Now, I suppose an entity that could amass enough independent worship could "tear away" aspects that the currant chaos gods have taken into themselves, and that's a compelling though on its own.
But so much of the lore has the chaos gods feeding on humanities emotions that the Emperor, as warp deity of the human species really needs to represent humanity in ALL of those aspects, good and bad, and in doing so, feed off them.
It makes me think that the original reason the Chaos gods opposed the Emperor was out of fear of being extinguished; now, 10,000 years later its out of fear of being consumed, as Slaanesh did to the Eldar and their Gods, by the Emperor should he ever be born into being a warp deity. That by reaching critical mass he'll automatically take all those things which humanity empowers into himself (again like Slaanesh) and either usurp the power base of the chaos gods, or just outright "consume them" into himself.
A lot of what you've said has already been said but the consuming bit is actually a pretty cool idea but would have the biggest antagonists of 40k more or less evaporate.
2018/10/11 08:16:48
Subject: The Emperor as a nascent Warp God of "balance" and eating the chaos Gods.
Yeah, its very much a "and then the setting ends" type situation, as the Emperor will then direct human evolution as he sees fit, and use his powers to ensure humanities continued dominance in the galaxy.
It would (probably) entail a galaxy wide xenocide, and after that a galaxy wide (relative) peace as humanity progresses along the path to being a psychic species. Essentially becoming like the old ones, except also have a big warp deity looking out for them.
Ratius wrote: One wonders if the IoM got to that stage who their main challengers would be? Extra Galactic forces only?
We already have an example of a race with an all-encompassing guiding force at a galactic level, which has been running away from an even larger threat for some time.
My bet is that the day the Emperor ascends to true godhood is the day we discover what the Tyranids are running from.
2018/10/11 09:13:06
Subject: The Emperor as a nascent Warp God of "balance" and eating the chaos Gods.
Forgive me if I'm wrong, but aren't The Four just manifestations of the emotions of psychic beings? What would happen to those emotions if The Four were to be consumed? Would they no longer have any effect on the Immaterium? Would the Warp then become stable and hospitable? Is it even possible to alter the Warp in this way, or is its nature fundamentally entangled with the emotions of psychic beings?
Ratius wrote: One wonders if the IoM got to that stage who their main challengers would be? Extra Galactic forces only?
We already have an example of a race with an all-encompassing guiding force at a galactic level, which has been running away from an even larger threat for some time.
My bet is that the day the Emperor ascends to true godhood is the day we discover what the Tyranids are running from.
I have a hypothesis (or maybe I stole it subconsciously ) that the Tyranids were sent, rather than sent running. They are a super weapon sent by someone or something that necessitates a stable Warp in order to travel/live and the only way to do this is to wipe out all of the lifeforms whose psychic influence disturbs this stability.
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2018/10/11 10:03:17
Subject: The Emperor as a nascent Warp God of "balance" and eating the chaos Gods.
According to really old lore, the warp before the chaos Gods rose to prominence was abit more like if “the force” from starwars had its own dimension. It weaved through, connected and bou d together the living things of the material universe on a higher plane of existence, and the chaos gods, in comming to be gods with the negative aspects they have being thier dominant faces, made the warp much more terrifying.
Ginjitzu wrote: Forgive me if I'm wrong, but aren't The Four just manifestations of the emotions of psychic beings? What would happen to those emotions if The Four were to be consumed? Would they no longer have any effect on the Immaterium? Would the Warp then become stable and hospitable? Is it even possible to alter the Warp in this way, or is its nature fundamentally entangled with the emotions of psychic beings?
What lore I've read says that Warp reflects everything going on in the real space, but minds of living beings affect it the most, which make the Warp move with the Warp gods being akin to vortexes in streams of thoughts and/or emotions, their actions and births and deaths are more like metaphorical representations e.g. Eldar gods died cause most who though about them died, or since the Orks are the most numerous beings in the galaxy the gods created by their single minded thoughs are the most powerful.
Emperors big folly was to think that Big Four are created by thoughs like other Warp gods, and not by emotions.
For Emperor to overpower them is a lot harder, since it would require the belief in Him to surpass the emotions of the galaxys worth of living things. I guess humanity would have to become as numerous and single minded as the Orks. Or get a fancy MacGuffin.
) that the Tyranids were sent, rather than sent running. They are a super weapon sent by someone or something that necessitates a stable Warp in order to travel/live and the only way to do this is to wipe out all of the lifeforms whose psychic influence disturbs this stability.
