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Although I don't really like it, I can understand why they have taken away options from the Codex that need a lot of modelling and conversion work, or that use parts that are no longer available.

However, the policy on straightforward kitbashing of compatible parts is inconsistent.

For example, they still allow special weapons and sergeant weapons in standard bike squads, even though that requires mixing bike squads with tactical squad parts.
However, they no long have Apothecaries on bikes or Company Veterans on bikes, even though these just require mixing in parts from the Command Squad kit - the arms and torsos are all compatible, so no modelling or conversion work is needed. It's strange that they don't still allow options like this - it doesn't seem to provide much of an opportunity for 3rd parties when GW already makes all the necessary sprues. In fact, it would just be another (small) sales opportunity for GW without having to make anything new.

Then they strangely still allow some options that require more conversion work - e.g. scout sergeants can take any sergeant weapons, even though the scout kit doesn't have them!

 Galef wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
They still need to go.

Why? I legitimately do not understand this viewpoint. Why do older options HAVE to go away. What is the detriment to the overall game if a handful of players want to tote around extra rules for their old models? Or even let players convert them once they get deeper into the hobby?

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Indeed. It made some amount of sense when they removed the Las/plas option due to it being useless under the rules at that time (4th ed, IIRC) but after bringing it back, it seems unnecessary to remove it yet again.

 Kaiyanwang wrote:

 Galef wrote:

 Kaiyanwang wrote:
GW does not add the lines for Bikes and whatnot because is afraid of being "Chapterhoused" again.
It's really that simple.

They've released more minis in the last 2 years than in the last 20 prior to that (at least it feels that way). There's no reason for them to not just release all these minis will all their options that have been available for years.
Most of the options lost have been on HQs, so if wouldn't be hard to just release more claimpacks

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Oh, I am all for it. But their investments in this regard are schizophrenic. New factions, 8 Primaris Lieutenants (for the next Codex: Lieutenants, I guess), and factions that lose HQs.

Today they have announced ANOTHER plastic special edition Primaris Lieutenant.



We have now more Primaris Lieutenant than plastic Ork, Tau and Dark Eldar HQ options combined. And all of them have the same DAMM GEAR.

What kind of feeling is that facial expression trying to convey?

I like him....

HoundsofDemos wrote:
What kind of feeling is that facial expression trying to convey?

Constipation?

 Mmmpi wrote:

HoundsofDemos wrote:
What kind of feeling is that facial expression trying to convey?

Constipation?

Lol so true.

It also make me laugh that they've took the time and money to produce what five or six clam pack characters when all they need to do was a kit like the space marine commander but Primaris sized. Would have saved them some money and probably sold more.

HoundsofDemos wrote:
What kind of feeling is that facial expression trying to convey?

'Feth, did I leave the stove on...?'




It's looking like the 9th edition Marine codex will be Codex: Primaris Lieutenants.

 Galas wrote:

We have now more Primaris Lieutenant than plastic Ork, Tau and Dark Eldar HQ options combined. And all of them have the same DAMM GEAR.

I would not be surprised if GW sold as many Space Marines as Orks, Tau, and Dark Eldar combined.

meleti wrote:

 Galas wrote:

We have now more Primaris Lieutenant than plastic Ork, Tau and Dark Eldar HQ options combined. And all of them have the same DAMM GEAR.

I would not be surprised if GW sold as many Space Marines as Orks, Tau, and Dark Eldar combined.

Sure, but these guys are limited which means there's no way they'll sell as much as a product that's always available (plus there's now 9 different LT sculpts, how many people need 9 LTs?). At this point I'm convinced that GW could provide plenty of alternate HQ sculpts as a solution to their monopose designs. A couple Farseers here, a couple Ork bosses there etc...

Dandelion wrote:

meleti wrote:

 Galas wrote:

We have now more Primaris Lieutenant than plastic Ork, Tau and Dark Eldar HQ options combined. And all of them have the same DAMM GEAR.

I would not be surprised if GW sold as many Space Marines as Orks, Tau, and Dark Eldar combined.

Sure, but these guys are limited which means there's no way they'll sell as much as a product that's always available (plus there's now 9 different LT sculpts, how many people need 9 LTs?). At this point I'm convinced that GW could provide plenty of alternate HQ sculpts as a solution to their monopose designs. A couple Farseers here, a couple Ork bosses there etc...

But if you're going to make a promotional miniature for large tournaments, why not make it for the most collected faction in your game? Are you really going to get the same sales figures from a Farseer as a Space Marine?

OrkPlayer137 wrote:
Although I don't really like it, I can understand why they have taken away options from the Codex that need a lot of modelling and conversion work, or that use parts that are no longer available.

However, the policy on straightforward kitbashing of compatible parts is inconsistent.

For example, they still allow special weapons and sergeant weapons in standard bike squads, even though that requires mixing bike squads with tactical squad parts.
However, they no long have Apothecaries on bikes or Company Veterans on bikes, even though these just require mixing in parts from the Command Squad kit - the arms and torsos are all compatible, so no modelling or conversion work is needed. It's strange that they don't still allow options like this - it doesn't seem to provide much of an opportunity for 3rd parties when GW already makes all the necessary sprues. In fact, it would just be another (small) sales opportunity for GW without having to make anything new.

Then they strangely still allow some options that require more conversion work - e.g. scout sergeants can take any sergeant weapons, even though the scout kit doesn't have them!

Don't forget that they allow Librarians to take Jump Packs, even though they don't make a model that comes with one... While removing the Codex option for a Blood Angels Sanguinary Priest to take one.

meleti wrote:

Are you really going to get the same sales figures from a Farseer as a Space Marine?

When it's the fifteenth identically-armed and armored promotional space marine? Yes, quite possibly.

meleti wrote:

Dandelion wrote:

meleti wrote:

 Galas wrote:

We have now more Primaris Lieutenant than plastic Ork, Tau and Dark Eldar HQ options combined. And all of them have the same DAMM GEAR.

I would not be surprised if GW sold as many Space Marines as Orks, Tau, and Dark Eldar combined.

Sure, but these guys are limited which means there's no way they'll sell as much as a product that's always available (plus there's now 9 different LT sculpts, how many people need 9 LTs?). At this point I'm convinced that GW could provide plenty of alternate HQ sculpts as a solution to their monopose designs. A couple Farseers here, a couple Ork bosses there etc...

But if you're going to make a promotional miniature for large tournaments, why not make it for the most collected faction in your game? Are you really going to get the same sales figures from a Farseer as a Space Marine?

You misunderstand me. I was just saying that if GW has the resources to produce 9 variants of the same thing (of which like half are only for promotional purposes) then they can easily release alternate kits for other factions available all the time.

But who knows? Maybe people would be more interested in a limited edition Farseer instead of yet another LT. At this point the LT thing is practically a meme. Did you notice how no one cared about it when it was announced? Meanwhile the eldar ranger created a lot more buzz.
And considering that they made a nighthaunt promo fig it's not far fetched to propose that.

But that's enough off-topic for now I think. As to the OP's question, I fully expect the indexes to be pulled from the store as soon as the last faction gets their codex. I also expect them to reintroduce discontinued models in plastic and give the rules online. Maybe not all of them, but probably most. Besides, it's a balancing headache to try to tweak codex rules when people can fall back to the index.

That Lt. reminds me how much I hate bare heads on any Marine. Seriously. You're going into combat and you need that protection ya know? Obviously the exception is Space Wolves but they aren't the brightest crayons in the box anyway.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
That Lt. reminds me how much I hate bare heads on any Marine. Seriously. You're going into combat and you need that protection ya know? Obviously the exception is Space Wolves but they aren't the brightest crayons in the box anyway.

You'd love my Reivers. In addition of having bare heads, some of them have one bare arm!

Regarding the Lieutenant, I've not been a massive fan of some (not keen on the Blood Angel one, the 500 stores one, or the auto bolt rifle one), but this one is easily my favourite. Definitely want this one!

I'd grab the Conquest one, Calsius, but my Ultramarines aren't Primaris.

OrkPlayer137 wrote:

However, the policy on straightforward kitbashing of compatible parts is inconsistent.

For example, they still allow special weapons and sergeant weapons in standard bike squads, even though that requires mixing bike squads with tactical squad parts.
However, they no long have Apothecaries on bikes or Company Veterans on bikes, even though these just require mixing in parts from the Command Squad kit - the arms and torsos are all compatible, so no modelling or conversion work is needed. It's strange that they don't still allow options like this - it doesn't seem to provide much of an opportunity for 3rd parties when GW already makes all the necessary sprues. In fact, it would just be another (small) sales opportunity for GW without having to make anything new.

Then they strangely still allow some options that require more conversion work - e.g. scout sergeants can take any sergeant weapons, even though the scout kit doesn't have them!

It's even simpler than that: they don't make jump pack versions of most characters, but you can take them in the codex.

I can't speak for their overall strategy. What I would guess is that they want to limit the codex to options that have kits, or extremely simple conversions, AND that they want to carry forward. For example, the basilisk kit does not come with a hull heavy bolter, only a hull heavy flamer. But that's a simple converstion from any other chimera hull, and domesthing they'll want to keep.

Likewise, bike special weapons are going to stick around. They've been a steady option for 20 years, and had models until they purged the metal/plastic hybrid boxes. Biker veterans/command might be something they want to keep for a White Scars only option.

The key is that nothing is invalidated... yet. It's possible that the indexes all disappear, although there really isn't a lot of precedent for GW clearly invalidating prior rules, absent a massive shift in the game (such as 2nd to 3rd, or 7th to 8th).

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
That Lt. reminds me how much I hate bare heads on any Marine. Seriously. You're going into combat and you need that protection ya know? Obviously the exception is Space Wolves but they aren't the brightest crayons in the box anyway.

At least the helmets are WITH the Primaris models, so it looks like they could put it on at any moment.
I hate some of the older models, particularly Terminators, that don't even have the helmet anywhere on the model

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