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we all know the REAL thing that sustains the Golden throne is in fact the Star Wars Holiday special... Grimdark and all

 Ginjitzu wrote:

 techsoldaten wrote:


That is incorrect. Artifacts from Old Earth play a key role in a number of Black Library books, maybe you missed a few?

In Carrion Throne, Inquisitor Crowl discovers the main conduit for sustaining the Emperor on the Golden Throne. It was...

Spoiler:

The Portrait of Dorian Grey

As in, the novel? That's a weird thing to be able to hold such significance. I mean, something unique like the Mona Lisa or Rosetta Stone, I would understand, but a novel of which there must be thousands of copies seems a bit too common to hold such value. Unless it was the original manuscript I guess.

as in the portrait. If you've read the book (or seen the film) it would make sense

 Dr Coconut wrote:

 Ginjitzu wrote:

 techsoldaten wrote:


That is incorrect. Artifacts from Old Earth play a key role in a number of Black Library books, maybe you missed a few?

In Carrion Throne, Inquisitor Crowl discovers the main conduit for sustaining the Emperor on the Golden Throne. It was...

Spoiler:

The Portrait of Dorian Grey

As in, the novel? That's a weird thing to be able to hold such significance. I mean, something unique like the Mona Lisa or Rosetta Stone, I would understand, but a novel of which there must be thousands of copies seems a bit too common to hold such value. Unless it was the original manuscript I guess.

as in the portrait. If you've read the book (or seen the film) it would make sense

It uses a fictional portrait from within a fictional story? How meta!

 Grimskul wrote:

Onething123456 wrote:
The Emperor was probably Neil deGrasse Tyson.

No no no, he's more like Mike Tyson, from Mike Tyson Mysteries.

"I got that fight or flight feeling, and I'm feeling flighty!"

The Emperor was probably some modern anti-theist lunatic preaching that religion is the bane of humanity's existence. The newest books, like Dark Imperium, make it clear he at least hates religion.


EDIT: I almost rolled my eyes when the Emperor brought up the medieval Crusades in Tales of Heresy as proof religion is evil (granted he does bring up Cardinal Tang, but he was only one person in the 30 millennium). Really? He brought up something happened over tens of thousands of years ago?

Onething123456 wrote:

 Grimskul wrote:

Onething123456 wrote:
The Emperor was probably Neil deGrasse Tyson.

No no no, he's more like Mike Tyson, from Mike Tyson Mysteries.

"I got that fight or flight feeling, and I'm feeling flighty!"

The Emperor was probably some modern anti-theist lunatic preaching that religion is the bane of humanity's existence. The newest books, like Dark Imperium, make it clear he at least hates religion.


EDIT: I almost rolled my eyes when the Emperor brought up the medieval Crusades in Tales of Heresy as proof religion is evil (granted he does bring up Cardinal Tang, but he was only one person in the 30 millennium). Really? He brought up something happened over tens of thousands of years ago?

Yes. Because that was for the readers' benefit, so they'd have some sort of context for the discussion. The fictional actions of future fictional characters have zero moral weight to the average reader.
Whether the crusades are actually a convincing argument is actually a different question, but they are something any given reader is likely vaguely familiar with and acts as a point of familiarity, so the in-book conversation isn't just navel-gazing gibberish.

Voss wrote:

Onething123456 wrote:

 Grimskul wrote:

Onething123456 wrote:
The Emperor was probably Neil deGrasse Tyson.

No no no, he's more like Mike Tyson, from Mike Tyson Mysteries.

"I got that fight or flight feeling, and I'm feeling flighty!"

The Emperor was probably some modern anti-theist lunatic preaching that religion is the bane of humanity's existence. The newest books, like Dark Imperium, make it clear he at least hates religion.


EDIT: I almost rolled my eyes when the Emperor brought up the medieval Crusades in Tales of Heresy as proof religion is evil (granted he does bring up Cardinal Tang, but he was only one person in the 30 millennium). Really? He brought up something happened over tens of thousands of years ago?

Yes. Because that was for the readers' benefit, so they'd have some sort of context for the discussion. The fictional actions of future fictional characters have zero moral weight to the average reader.
Whether the crusades are actually a convincing argument is actually a different question, but they are something any given reader is likely vaguely familiar with and acts as a point of familiarity, so the in-book conversation isn't just navel-gazing gibberish.

Well, it looks like the last thread Onething posted was flat out deleted, rather than locked, so we might be getting a short reprieve from the Onething background posts for a bit, if its a temp ban.

 Grimskul wrote:


Well, it looks like the last thread Onething posted was flat out deleted, rather than locked, so we might be getting a short reprieve from the Onething background posts for a bit, if its a temp ban.

Its because he literally came out as pro-Nazism in that locked/deleted thread.

Anyway, I think that the idea of what Malcador was able to scavenge is interesting, but as others have said its really just a throwaway bit of information to give a connection to our current timeline. However some of the things I'd like to know if they made it to the 41st mellenium would be:

The Holy Lance/Spear of Destiny/Lance of Longinus
Declaration of Independence or US Constitution (unlikely i think)
Sword of Charlemagne
Napoleon Bonaparte's Tomb or just his body
anything representing the space race besides the Lunar Rover (since someone already mentioned that was indeed saved)
the Pyramids of Giza and South America

As I said my impression is that Malchador isn't intreasted in preserving some sort of "pro Iom Narrative" so much as ensuring human history is preserved, so I suspect he'd "take what he can get" focusing in partiuclar on items of historic importance.

 agurus1 wrote:


Anyway, I think that the idea of what Malcador was able to scavenge is interesting, but as others have said its really just a throwaway bit of information to give a connection to our current timeline. However some of the things I'd like to know if they made it to the 41st mellenium would be:

In Pariah, an antique shop carries a toy Soviet rocket.

The Archmagos in the Forges of Mars series seems to have the wheel of the HMS Victory onboard his personal Leviathan.

vizier wrote:

 agurus1 wrote:


Anyway, I think that the idea of what Malcador was able to scavenge is interesting, but as others have said its really just a throwaway bit of information to give a connection to our current timeline. However some of the things I'd like to know if they made it to the 41st mellenium would be:

In Pariah, an antique shop carries a toy Soviet rocket.

The Archmagos in the Forges of Mars series seems to have the wheel of the HMS Victory onboard his personal Leviathan.

I like that Archmagos style!

vizier wrote:


In Pariah, an antique shop carries a toy Soviet rocket.

I remember seeing a photo in White Dwarf of someone's Necromunda scenery - including hovels made of old scrap with "CCCP" painted on the side.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:

vizier wrote:


In Pariah, an antique shop carries a toy Soviet rocket.

I remember seeing a photo in White Dwarf of someone's Necromunda scenery - including hovels made of old scrap with "CCCP" painted on the side.

Makes me think of an article about the Mosin-Nagant. It was a general write up about its prolific production under the Russian empire and later the Soviets, as well as its widespread use in warfare even in modern conflict zones (there are many photos of partisans, militia, ect... in Ukraine, Afganistan, ect using the Mosin Nagant). The article concluded with the idea that the last bullet in the last war might well be fired from a Mosin-Nagant Wonder if they are any of them still kicking in 40k? I imagine a 7.65x54r could still be useful vs some of the gribblies in 40k? They even come in incendiary and explosive rounds! lol

Onething123456 wrote:
So the Emperor and Malcador collected Old Earth artifacts such as the Rosetta stone and the Mona Lisa. Does anyone know what others they collected and what books I can find them in?

I can't remember correctly but I don't think the Mona Lisa was Malcadors or the Emperors, it was in one of the early HH novels, but I think it was owned by a high up Imperial servant.

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

Onething123456 wrote:
So the Emperor and Malcador collected Old Earth artifacts such as the Rosetta stone and the Mona Lisa. Does anyone know what others they collected and what books I can find them in?

I can't remember correctly but I don't think the Mona Lisa was Malcadors or the Emperors, it was in one of the early HH novels, but I think it was owned by a high up Imperial servant.

It was in the audiobook Sigillite.

Onething123456 wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

Onething123456 wrote:
So the Emperor and Malcador collected Old Earth artifacts such as the Rosetta stone and the Mona Lisa. Does anyone know what others they collected and what books I can find them in?

I can't remember correctly but I don't think the Mona Lisa was Malcadors or the Emperors, it was in one of the early HH novels, but I think it was owned by a high up Imperial servant.

It was in the audiobook Sigillite.

It was also before that, I didn't listen to the Sigillite till recently.

I wonder if Malcador collected anything that would be considered utter garbage, but that, out of context, he could not know any better, such as a copy of Aliens: Colonial Marines or the Halle Berry Catwoman movie.

I think it's mentioned in the Outcast Dead and poosibly is in Nagasena's house.

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

Onething123456 wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

Onething123456 wrote:
So the Emperor and Malcador collected Old Earth artifacts such as the Rosetta stone and the Mona Lisa. Does anyone know what others they collected and what books I can find them in?

I can't remember correctly but I don't think the Mona Lisa was Malcadors or the Emperors, it was in one of the early HH novels, but I think it was owned by a high up Imperial servant.

It was in the audiobook Sigillite.

It was also before that, I didn't listen to the Sigillite till recently.

Are you possibly thinking of the Rogue Trader vessel in Nemesis? I could be wrong, but I recall something in that involving a bunch of Old Earth relics.

 Ginjitzu wrote:
I wonder if Malcador collected anything that would be considered utter garbage, but that, out of context, he could not know any better, such as a copy of Aliens: Colonial Marines or the Halle Berry Catwoman movie.

proably, I imagine he'll collect what he can find, and even some bombs can be of historic intreast

BrianDavion wrote:

 Ginjitzu wrote:
I wonder if Malcador collected anything that would be considered utter garbage, but that, out of context, he could not know any better, such as a copy of Aliens: Colonial Marines or the Halle Berry Catwoman movie.

proably, I imagine he'll collect what he can find, and even some bombs can be of historic intreast

I’m playing colonial marines at the minute. It’s ok. Not that really. Bit harsh I think......it’s not great. But it’s ok. Sound effects are nice.

Do Delvarus, what artifacts have you read about in the Horus Heresy books that are from Old Earth?

Onething123456 wrote:
Do Delvarus, what artifacts have you read about in the Horus Heresy books that are from Old Earth?

Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude. It's been practically blissful to not have someone mention Perpetuals or the usual spiel from you on Rogue Trader. Now you're back and you've got like two threads locked? We told you the last you were on, stop threadomancing old ass threads to forcefully restart conversations that were dead days, or even weeks ago. This ain't a live chatroom, it's a forum. If you're 20 years old like you say, this should not be this hard for you to understand.

Three threads any minute now..

Let’s just start some new threads about 8th Edition Warhammer 40,000.
Just for a while, we can leave the 1st Edition Rogue Trader stuff behind

Okay? I understand that. Sorry. I'll talk to him in a PM like I have before.

 Ginjitzu wrote:
I wonder if Malcador collected anything that would be considered utter garbage, but that, out of context, he could not know any better, such as a copy of Aliens: Colonial Marines or the Halle Berry Catwoman movie.

Well, we know some of the works of Shakespeare - sorry, 'Shakespire' - survived but not which ones. A lot of the sonnets are actually pretty ropey.

It was the Titan Rover (mars, not the moon) because corax wonders in deliverance lost what the hell kind of titan it's supposed to be from. Also the first warp engine circuits and the first gellar field circuits (the two being invented seperately means someone must've had a really bad day...)

Deliverance Lost has a few random call-backs. My personal favourite being the Emperor's secret gene-vault being opened by the "Shave-and-a-hair-cut" knock.

"The vault beyond was barred by a harmonic lock, attuned to an extremely narrow frequency of sound wave. There were certain parts of the rock that were linked to amplifiers within the structure, and the location of these had been revealed to Corax by the Emperor’s memories. He raised his fist to the first area and ran through the position and timing of each blow required to generate the correct harmonic key. He banged his gauntlet against the rock face, the blows resounding deep within the hollow beyond the cliff but muffled by the howling wind and snow. Knock. Knock-knock knock-knock. Knock-knock. The dull echoes faded away and Corax wondered if he had mis-timed the blows or directed them at the wrong spots. His doubt disappeared as the grinding of gears and wheeze of pneumatics shuddered across the cliff face."

Pretty positive the Emperor has a large collection of Playboy magazines. He promised it was because he enjoyed reading the articles!

The Emperor always seemed more concerned with making humanity rule the universe then that sort.


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BrianDavion wrote:
we all know the REAL thing that sustains the Golden throne is in fact the Star Wars Holiday special... Grimdark and all

Don't EVER bring up that abomination.

Onething123456 wrote:
The Emperor always seemed more concerned with making humanity rule the universe then that sort.

Oh really? How'd you think all of those wild oats got sowed to make those Sensei you love so much?

Onething123456 wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
we all know the REAL thing that sustains the Golden throne is in fact the Star Wars Holiday special... Grimdark and all

Don't EVER bring up that abomination.

Kinda tricky to not bring the Golden Throne up - it is a central maguffin for the setting, after all.

 Dysartes wrote:

Onething123456 wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
we all know the REAL thing that sustains the Golden throne is in fact the Star Wars Holiday special... Grimdark and all

Don't EVER bring up that abomination.

Kinda tricky to not bring the Golden Throne up - it is a central maguffin for the setting, after all.

I was talking about the Star Wars Holiday Special.