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That escalated quickly.

The thing I like about Primaris is I can put gear on them, pouches, holsters and such and it looks right.

First tactical box I bought I gave everyone grenades, seals and pouches. It looks so weird. Everything on their belt looks off to me. So my other 80 or so marines have almost no accessories. My intercessors though have all the bounces and blades

 fraser1191 wrote:
The thing I like about Primaris is I can put gear on them, pouches, holsters and such and it looks right.

First tactical box I bought I gave everyone grenades, seals and pouches. It looks so weird. Everything on their belt looks off to me. So my other 80 or so marines have almost no accessories. My intercessors though have all the bounces and blades

To each their own. I gave every classic model pouches, bolt pistol, grenades etc. and I think it looks dope.

Sir Heckington wrote:
Get normal marines. The customization can't be beat by Primaris, at least not for now. Primaris can be considered when they have actual options for customization.

Primaris are superior, they also do have 3 weapon variants, an auxiliary grenade launcher and a power sword option. Meaning you can have them as backline snipers that hold objectives, Skirmisher/Troop choice harrasers or Decent forward operatives that capture and hold objectives.


Regardless of how you kit the Tac squad, they will be inferior in either of those three roles and there is no other roles that some other unit wouldn't do better.


As it stands, Tactical Marine is one the worst units in the game, arguably THE worst

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
I love how people always bring up the poses argument like it holds any meaning.

It really redefines the phrase 'The Codex does not approve of this action'; No 'doing the flop'!!

There's no accounting for personal taste, but pretty much all of the models GW has released for the past couple of years have shown a clear improvement in manufacturing if not design and modelling. The models they are releasing blow me away, though I also lament the more restrictive wargear choices for Intercessors. However, as someone who is primarily focused on painting, I am amazed at the consideration and detail GW has been putting into pretty much all of their kits and how much they've improved various parts of their process. I don't even mind the shift toward monopose because I don't mind cutting up a model if I want to customize it.

I think it's pretty safe to say that Primaris are more detailed, even if it's only because they have a larger surface area. Objectively better? They are certainly better from a technical perspective, as are most of their more recent models when compared to previous ones, but I can appreciate the old tactical models as well.

If I were the OP I wouldn't shy away from giving the kids Primaris because I find them quite a joy to paint but again that's kind of what I value most.

They are of a comparable detail level to other space marines, and the quality of the detail is the same.

Perhaps they appear more detailed cause they are big and look very busy? There is a lot of detailing on the inceptor models for example, but this is not necessarily a good thing as it starts to get too much in my opinion.

They aren't technically better either, they have been designed with the same technology and manufacturing processes as the other "old" newer space marine kits which have come out in the last few years such as the Tactical squad. Sure they have nice fitting together features, but so do the dark vengeance chosen who were released over 6 years ago.

This current levels of detail and technical quality on GW kits in general was achieved several years ago really, on infantry sized squad type models for sure. I'd agree they have progressed a bit in making impressive large models though, like Magnus for example.

I'd argue that because they have a comparable level of detail, and are bigger, then they must also contain more detail overall. It's not like they're just blown up Space Marines; the scale of their details and accessories is the same but there's simply more room for it on a larger model. It's a question of dimensions but it is at least one objective advantage the Primaris have. There is not even a place to put some of the details they have on a tactical marine.

Intercessors definitely, I've only been back in the hobby about 8 months and I've already got 20 intercessors and 15 hellblasters in comparison to my small detachment of veterans which is 15 in total. Even my characters are primaris even if not using primaris rules they just look better.

As it stands, Tactical Marine is one the worst units in the game, arguably THE worst

Pffffft! Really? My own love for Tacs aside, you can't think of any unit worse than a Tac squad?

 Insectum7 wrote:

As it stands, Tactical Marine is one the worst units in the game, arguably THE worst

Pffffft! Really? My own love for Tacs aside, you can't think of any unit worse than a Tac squad?

No thinking person would claim Tacs are worse than a Hunter.

The Newman wrote:

 Insectum7 wrote:

As it stands, Tactical Marine is one the worst units in the game, arguably THE worst

Pffffft! Really? My own love for Tacs aside, you can't think of any unit worse than a Tac squad?

No thinking person would claim Tacs are worse than a Hunter.

In terms of troops they're at the bottom, but I'll definitely concede on how bad the Hunter is. Wewlad that's one gak model.

 Dovis wrote:

Sir Heckington wrote:
Get normal marines. The customization can't be beat by Primaris, at least not for now. Primaris can be considered when they have actual options for customization.

Primaris are superior, they also do have 3 weapon variants, an auxiliary grenade launcher and a power sword option. Meaning you can have them as backline snipers that hold objectives, Skirmisher/Troop choice harrasers or Decent forward operatives that capture and hold objectives.


Regardless of how you kit the Tac squad, they will be inferior in either of those three roles and there is no other roles that some other unit wouldn't do better.


As it stands, Tactical Marine is one the worst units in the game, arguably THE worst

I'm sorry.... WHAT? Centurion Devastators, Assault Marines, Milita, Crisis suits, Terminators exist. Tacs are hardly the worst. And Primaris still don't have customization.

It's not about what they do on tabletop, I believe tactical marines are simply better because you can customize the sergeant, and make him 'your dudes.'

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

The Newman wrote:

 Insectum7 wrote:

As it stands, Tactical Marine is one the worst units in the game, arguably THE worst

Pffffft! Really? My own love for Tacs aside, you can't think of any unit worse than a Tac squad?

No thinking person would claim Tacs are worse than a Hunter.

In terms of troops they're at the bottom . . .

At the very least, I'm sure there are some GK players who would take issue with that.

Well, I'm inclined to shelve or sell all my Tacticals and take only Intercessors in the future.
Renaissance marines instead of grim-dark marines.

 Insectum7 wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

The Newman wrote:

 Insectum7 wrote:

As it stands, Tactical Marine is one the worst units in the game, arguably THE worst

Pffffft! Really? My own love for Tacs aside, you can't think of any unit worse than a Tac squad?

No thinking person would claim Tacs are worse than a Hunter.

In terms of troops they're at the bottom . . .

At the very least, I'm sure there are some GK players who would take issue with that.

Strike Squads are better. Nothing else in that codex is good though outside Dreadmasters and Interceptors (who are pretty absurdly expensive).

Slayer-Fan123 767065 10240931 wrote:
In terms of troops they're at the bottom . . .

Strike Squads are better. Nothing else in that codex is good though outside Dreadmasters and Interceptors (who are pretty absurdly expensive).

Like anyone is using the Razorback to transport anything. That's such a flawed "positive". They're bought as more cost efficient battle tanks than the actual battle tanks.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Like anyone is using the Razorback to transport anything. That's such a flawed "positive". They're bought as more cost efficient battle tanks than the actual battle tanks.

The only time I've ever used a razorback without putting anybody in it is when I started back in 8th and I didnt have anybody to ride in it(DI contents only). Every single game since I bought some tacs my Razorbacks are full of a squad and a non termi character.

Racerguy180 wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Like anyone is using the Razorback to transport anything. That's such a flawed "positive". They're bought as more cost efficient battle tanks than the actual battle tanks.

The only time I've ever used a razorback without putting anybody in it is when I started back in 8th and I didnt have anybody to ride in it(DI contents only). Every single game since I bought some tacs my Razorbacks are full of a squad and a non termi character.

AND a character? That sounds horrible.

Just use them for the gun. They're not good for transporting anything.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Racerguy180 wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Like anyone is using the Razorback to transport anything. That's such a flawed "positive". They're bought as more cost efficient battle tanks than the actual battle tanks.

The only time I've ever used a razorback without putting anybody in it is when I started back in 8th and I didnt have anybody to ride in it(DI contents only). Every single game since I bought some tacs my Razorbacks are full of a squad and a non termi character.

AND a character? That sounds horrible.

Just use them for the gun. They're not good for transporting anything.

Sure they are, you put units in them to reduce your drops and increase the movement options and distance of transported units.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Racerguy180 wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Like anyone is using the Razorback to transport anything. That's such a flawed "positive". They're bought as more cost efficient battle tanks than the actual battle tanks.

The only time I've ever used a razorback without putting anybody in it is when I started back in 8th and I didnt have anybody to ride in it(DI contents only). Every single game since I bought some tacs my Razorbacks are full of a squad and a non termi character.

AND a character? That sounds horrible.

Just use them for the gun. They're not good for transporting anything.

I have no problem with them, I face a wide variety of opponents and they get the job done. Add in a Lieutenant and the reroll wounds comes in handy. a tac squad w plasma gun and combi sgt works for when I either send them towards something or keep in backfield as area denial/problem solving.I have a relic predator w magnamelta and a bunch of dreads for anti-tank.

getting back to tacs or intercessors.

other than hellblasters & redemptor, I've only bought regular marines since getting DarkImp. the value of the tax squad isnt to be underestimated. yes I am adding in more primaris now, but only after 4k pts of regular marine units.
Tacs have the versatility to meet most problems either head on or thru tactics.

Just ordered 2 Battle of Verdos Marine sets for them

Each comes with 3 bolter Marines, 1 Sgt, 1 ML and 1 Flamer Marine. That not only rounds out their Tactical squads, but gives each an 11th model to swap out options.
Either 10-man unit or two 5-man.
Once they're painted, my kids should be ready to move onto other unit types. But these will be their only non-Primaris Marines moving forward.

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Well, I'd stop thinking about vanilla Tacticals.
Go Intercessors all the way.
The game is already in the age of renaissance. Dont look back!