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I cant remember if this was hashed out yet or not and when I searched I didn't find it so...……


Does -1/2 to hit and +1/2 to hit have any interaction with Tesla or similar abilities overwatch?


My take is that they do.


Overwatch hits on unmodified 6's. This we all know. Any 6 on the dice is a hit.

Tesla grants 2 extra hits on a 6+.

If a unit is effected by +1 to hit does it now have 2 extra hits for every 5 rolled (note that the 5 is a miss in overwatch)? I say that yes, the 5 miss's, but 2 tesla hits are granted.

If a unit is effected by -1 to hit then does a natural 6 still grant tesla? I say no, as the roll is now a 7. The 6 still grants one hit in overwatch, but tesla does not work.

Yes they do modify Tesla in normal shooting, Overwatch always hits on 6+ Regardless of modifiers.

Basically modifiers apply as normal on overwatch. You score a hit only on a natural 6, but affects that trigger on specific values are still subject to modifiers.

First off -1 to hit.

Your 6s are now 5s. Thus it is impossible to score extra hits from a single roll. They still hit, but it's just 1 hit.

+1 to hit.

This is where it gets weird. A 6 becomes a 7, so that is both a hit and you trigger the extra hits. A 5 is a miss, but the modifier takes it to a 6 so the special rule triggers. The wording of Tesla though isn't "2 extra hits", it is 3 hits INSTEAD of 1. If you aren't causing a hit, you can't then replace it with 3.

The game isn't explicit on how to handle this situation though, and it has been debated at length here before!

This is mostly just to double check, because apparently a lot of necron players still think that they don't.

 Eihnlazer wrote:
I cant remember if this was hashed out yet or not and when I searched I didn't find it so...……


Does -1/2 to hit and +1/2 to hit have any interaction with Tesla or similar abilities overwatch?


My take is that they do.


Overwatch hits on unmodified 6's. This we all know. Any 6 on the dice is a hit.

Tesla grants 2 extra hits on a 6+.

If a unit is effected by +1 to hit does it now have 2 extra hits for every 5 rolled (note that the 5 is a miss in overwatch)? I say that yes, the 5 miss's, but 2 tesla hits are granted.

If a unit is effected by -1 to hit then does a natural 6 still grant tesla? I say no, as the roll is now a 7. The 6 still grants one hit in overwatch, but tesla does not work.

over watch is unmodified 6 thus tesla proccs only on a 6 ...

if a +1 did apply, which it does not ... it would need to be a hit to add the 2 extra hits.. but because a 5 does not hit, tesla does not procc.

RP your getting stuck up on the Unmodified thing.

You HIT on unmodified 6's. It never says overwatch shots themselves cant be modified.

Reanimation_Protocol wrote:

 Eihnlazer wrote:
I cant remember if this was hashed out yet or not and when I searched I didn't find it so...……


Does -1/2 to hit and +1/2 to hit have any interaction with Tesla or similar abilities overwatch?


My take is that they do.


Overwatch hits on unmodified 6's. This we all know. Any 6 on the dice is a hit.

Tesla grants 2 extra hits on a 6+.

If a unit is effected by +1 to hit does it now have 2 extra hits for every 5 rolled (note that the 5 is a miss in overwatch)? I say that yes, the 5 miss's, but 2 tesla hits are granted.

If a unit is effected by -1 to hit then does a natural 6 still grant tesla? I say no, as the roll is now a 7. The 6 still grants one hit in overwatch, but tesla does not work.

over watch is unmodified 6 thus tesla proccs only on a 6 ...

if a +1 did apply, which it does not ... it would need to be a hit to add the 2 extra hits.. but because a 5 does not hit, tesla does not procc.

You are incorrect. Modifiers still apply to the final result, it's just that a hit is based on the roll before modifiers. Any other effects still take into account any modifiers.

Reanimation_Protocol wrote:

 Eihnlazer wrote:
I cant remember if this was hashed out yet or not and when I searched I didn't find it so...……


Does -1/2 to hit and +1/2 to hit have any interaction with Tesla or similar abilities overwatch?


My take is that they do.


Overwatch hits on unmodified 6's. This we all know. Any 6 on the dice is a hit.

Tesla grants 2 extra hits on a 6+.

If a unit is effected by +1 to hit does it now have 2 extra hits for every 5 rolled (note that the 5 is a miss in overwatch)? I say that yes, the 5 miss's, but 2 tesla hits are granted.

If a unit is effected by -1 to hit then does a natural 6 still grant tesla? I say no, as the roll is now a 7. The 6 still grants one hit in overwatch, but tesla does not work.

over watch is unmodified 6 thus tesla proccs only on a 6 ...

if a +1 did apply, which it does not ... it would need to be a hit to add the 2 extra hits.. but because a 5 does not hit, tesla does not procc.

Modifiers do not apply only to the main to-hit roll. Modifiers still apply for determining other effects. If you make an overcharged plasma shot during Overwatch, you would still overheat on a 2 as well as a 1.

Stux laid out why the Tesla effect may not apply, and as he said there had been a lot of debate on the forums here. I go with his interpretation of "instead of 1" means you have to have a first hit to replace, and you don't have the first hit to do that with. If it had said only "on additional hit" then it would be getting that extra hit (barring any changes from a FAQ)

Yes, +1 allows for the tesla effect to happen on overwatch when you roll a 5. It's always worked that way. The FAQs even explicitly state that you can replace an impossible or non-existent action.

 BaconCatBug wrote:
Yes, +1 allows for the tesla effect to happen on overwatch when you roll a 5. It's always worked that way. The FAQs even explicitly state that you can replace an impossible or non-existent action.

Do they state that you can replace ANY nonexistent action? Or a specific one that isn't this one?

 Stux wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:
Yes, +1 allows for the tesla effect to happen on overwatch when you roll a 5. It's always worked that way. The FAQs even explicitly state that you can replace an impossible or non-existent action.

Do they state that you can replace ANY nonexistent action? Or a specific one that isn't this one?

That's a fair point, it only strictly applies to things that happen "Instead of shooting."

That being said, it's perfectly valid grammatically for something to replace a non-existent or impossible action due to the ambiguity of the English language, since GW refuse to hire a technical writer to lay down some ground rules.

Agreed that linguistically it is a valid interpretation. It's just that does leave some ambiguity still.

It's another "I'd really appreciate some clarification" rule!

You can not have 3 hits instead of 1 if you did not hit in the first place.

 DeathReaper wrote:
You can not have 3 hits instead of 1 if you did not hit in the first place.

Even if it hurts me as a necron player, agreed. Overwatch only hits on a natural roll of 6s. Modifiers, negative, or positive, doesnt matter. But, if you roll a 6, its 3 hits.

 p5freak wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:
You can not have 3 hits instead of 1 if you did not hit in the first place.

Even if it hurts me as a necron player, agreed. Overwatch only hits on a natural roll of 6s. Modifiers, negative, or positive, doesnt matter. But, if you roll a 6, its 3 hits.

Modifiers are only ignored in overwatch for determining if you hit or not. Everything else is still affected by modifiers, Tesla, Overheat, etc.

 BaconCatBug wrote:
Modifiers are only ignored in overwatch for determining if you hit or not. Everything else is still affected by modifiers, Tesla, Overheat, etc.

You cant have three hits if you dont hit in the first place, this has already been mentioned.

 p5freak wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:
Modifiers are only ignored in overwatch for determining if you hit or not. Everything else is still affected by modifiers, Tesla, Overheat, etc.

You cant have three hits if you dont hit in the first place, this has already been mentioned.

Mentioned, but not proven. There is some evidence to the contrary even.

Personally I'm somewhat on the fence on this one, I can see both sides.

 p5freak wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:
Modifiers are only ignored in overwatch for determining if you hit or not. Everything else is still affected by modifiers, Tesla, Overheat, etc.

You cant have three hits if you dont hit in the first place, this has already been mentioned.

But if you overwatch with plasma overpowered, and you shoot at something with -1 to hit, wouldn't a 2 kill you since it gets notified to a 1? Of course it would.

This illustrating that modifiers work as they always do. Hitting the target etc is another matter, clearly outlined in the rules (natural 6)

It is the wording of the Tesla that prevents overwatch procing on a 5 with +1, not the bit about natural 6es.

 Stux wrote:

 p5freak wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:
Modifiers are only ignored in overwatch for determining if you hit or not. Everything else is still affected by modifiers, Tesla, Overheat, etc.

You cant have three hits if you dont hit in the first place, this has already been mentioned.

Mentioned, but not proven. There is some evidence to the contrary even.

Personally I'm somewhat on the fence on this one, I can see both sides.

Except for the pesky English language proves that you can not have 3 hits instead of 1 if you do not have 1...

That does kinda clinch it.

Do you have a hit? You now have multiple instead of one.
You don’t have a hit? Then there is no “instead of one” possible.

Not sure if this would add any fuel for the fire, or cause more confusion, but would the FAQ for Harlequins and their Riddle-smith Masque form kind of be the same idea?

That if an attack that would miss generates additional hits, they would also miss?

Korbee11 wrote:
Not sure if this would add any fuel for the fire, or cause more confusion, but would the FAQ for Harlequins and their Riddle-smith Masque form kind of be the same idea?

That if an attack that would miss generates additional hits, they would also miss?

It supports the point that tesla overwatch misses on 5s with MWBD +1.

 p5freak wrote:

Korbee11 wrote:
Not sure if this would add any fuel for the fire, or cause more confusion, but would the FAQ for Harlequins and their Riddle-smith Masque form kind of be the same idea?

That if an attack that would miss generates additional hits, they would also miss?

It supports the point that tesla overwatch misses on 5s with MWBD +1.

Without further clarification, this is certainly how I would play it.