Orks T4

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**lolman1c**

admironheart wrote:
I think that 2nd ed got it pretty good.

Marines were the top S4 and T4

Gaunts were T3
Eldare were T3
Guard were T3
Squats were T4 but only S3
Grots/Gretchin were T2
Some orks I think were T3
Bigger orks were T4
Nobz were T5

This makes sense with how the orks grow larger and larger. A young Ork should not equal a Marine.

Perhaps the power creep should move Marines to a base T5 for the game. I think Ogryns are T5 right?

I still like T4 for Marines though.

to some extent, yes.. but marines do have 3+ save built in which is where there whole tanky thing is coming from. You shoot a marine in the face with no helmet on and he dies like any old 'Umie! You shoot a Ork in the face and he'll come back next week and shoot you in the face with a gun that sticks out of his head.

**ChargerIIC**

A better question is why the hell would I ever want my ork boyz to have the same toughness as a guardsman? The statlines are already pretty close together, I don't see why they need to be closer. An ork should have less to fear from a lasgun round than a bolt shell after all.

**nekooni**

lolman1c wrote:
admironheart wrote:
I think that 2nd ed got it pretty good.

Marines were the top S4 and T4

Gaunts were T3
Eldare were T3
Guard were T3
Squats were T4 but only S3
Grots/Gretchin were T2
Some orks I think were T3
Bigger orks were T4
Nobz were T5

This makes sense with how the orks grow larger and larger. A young Ork should not equal a Marine.

Perhaps the power creep should move Marines to a base T5 for the game. I think Ogryns are T5 right?

I still like T4 for Marines though.

to some extent, yes.. but marines do have 3+ save built in which is where there whole tanky thing is coming from. You shoot a marine in the face with no helmet on and he dies like any old 'Umie! You shoot a Ork in the face and he'll come back next week and shoot you in the face with a gun that sticks out of his head.

But space marines ARE much tougher than normal humans, even without their armour. They survive heads hots, they survive loosing limbs and they can keep fighting in such a state (well, at least if they have any limbs left at all, otherwise the fighting part is a bit... limited)

Sisters of Battle, on the other hand, are "just" power armoured humans, and their stats reflect it.

**Insectum7**

Basic human is a galactic wuss. WS 3 BS S3 T3
Eldar are skilled humans WS4 BS4 S3 T3
Orks are tough and aggressive WS 4 BS 2 S3 T4
Marines are uber WS4 BS4 S4 T4

**TwinPoleTheory**

Insectum7 wrote:
Basic human is a galactic wuss. WS 3 BS S3 T3
Eldar are skilled humans WS4 BS4 S3 T3
Orks are tough and aggressive WS 4 BS 2 S3 T4
Marines are uber WS4 BS4 S4 T4

Actually Orks are back to S4, so they're basically marines who don't care about accuracy.

Edited to clarify that Ork base S has returned to 4, not just Boyz.

**BaconCatBug**

Would be a lot easier if we could move to a D12 system so that there was a middle ground between human and space marine, eh?

**ChargerIIC**

TwinPoleTheory wrote:
Insectum7 wrote:
Basic human is a galactic wuss. WS 3 BS S3 T3
Eldar are skilled humans WS4 BS4 S3 T3
Orks are tough and aggressive WS 4 BS 2 S3 T4
Marines are uber WS4 BS4 S4 T4

Actually Orks are back to S4, so they're basically marines who don't care about accuracy.

Edited to clarify that Ork base S has returned to 4, not just Boyz.

Time to spin up another thread about why the hell Tac marines are 14pts....

**TwinPoleTheory**

ChargerIIC wrote:
Time to spin up another thread about why the hell Tac marines are 14pts....

BS seems to be one of the most expensive stats in the statline.

For some reason Armor Save is as well, despite being the easiest bonus to remove.

Despite all that, please, don't, we all know it's dumb.

**lolman1c**

BaconCatBug wrote:
Would be a lot easier if we could move to a D12 system so that there was a middle ground between human and space marine, eh?

but then how do I roll 600 D12s?!?!?!?

**Insectum7**

TwinPoleTheory wrote:
Insectum7 wrote:
Basic human is a galactic wuss. WS 3 BS S3 T3
Eldar are skilled humans WS4 BS4 S3 T3
Orks are tough and aggressive WS 4 BS 2 S3 T4
Marines are uber WS4 BS4 S4 T4

Actually Orks are back to S4, so they're basically marines who don't care about accuracy.

Edited to clarify that Ork base S has returned to 4, not just Boyz.

Are they? Huh. Interesting.

So a Space Marine is as tough and strong as an Ork, with the skills of an Eldar and the armor of elite Eldar.

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ChargerIIC wrote:
TwinPoleTheory wrote:
Insectum7 wrote:
Basic human is a galactic wuss. WS 3 BS S3 T3
Eldar are skilled humans WS4 BS4 S3 T3
Orks are tough and aggressive WS 4 BS 2 S3 T4
Marines are uber WS4 BS4 S4 T4

Actually Orks are back to S4, so they're basically marines who don't care about accuracy.

Edited to clarify that Ork base S has returned to 4, not just Boyz.

Time to spin up another thread about why the hell Tac marines are 14pts....

13.

**fraser1191**

BaconCatBug wrote:
Would be a lot easier if we could move to a D12 system so that there was a middle ground between human and space marine, eh?

I agree.

**Mmmpi**

lolman1c wrote:
BaconCatBug wrote:
Would be a lot easier if we could move to a D12 system so that there was a middle ground between human and space marine, eh?

but then how do I roll 600 D12s?!?!?!?

The same way you roll 600 d6's. A bucket.

**JimOnMars**

The original poster has not replied, at all, to anything here.

This is a troll thread.

**Delvarus Centurion**

They shouldn't be T3 fullstop, if you don't like it because it makes your marines less special than tough. Orks are one of the toughest organisms in the game, being T3 is ridiculous, so it doesn't how many points you reduce them they shouldn't be T3.

**Marin**

Insectum7 wrote:
Basic human is a galactic wuss. WS 3 BS S3 T3
Eldar are skilled humans WS4 BS4 S3 T3
Orks are tough and aggressive WS 4 BS 2 S3 T4
Marines are uber WS4 BS4 S4 T4

Basic marine WS6 BS6 S2 T2
Vet marine WS5 BS5 S3 T2
Uber Marine WS4 BS4 S3 T3
Orc WS4 BS6 S3 T3
Eldar militia WS5 BS5 S3 T3
Eldar Aspect SPEC SHOOTING WS5 BS3 S2 T3
Eldar Aspect SPEC MELEE WS3 BS5 S3 T3

**Delvarus Centurion**

Insectum7 wrote:
Basic human is a galactic wuss. WS 3 BS S3 T3
Eldar are skilled humans WS4 BS4 S3 T3
Orks are tough and aggressive WS 4 BS 2 S3 T4
Marines are uber WS4 BS4 S4 T4

And an eldar is just as much a wuss, just with better skills.