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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/12/17 19:21:57
Subject: Francesco Pizzo Patreon start today
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Fresh-Faced New User
Italy
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/12/20 17:04:18
Subject: Francesco Pizzo Patreon start today
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The New Miss Macross!
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Very nice looking models!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/12/20 17:24:11
Subject: Re:Francesco Pizzo Patreon start today
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Xeno-Hating Inquisitorial Excruciator
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Love Napoleork and Goblion
I don't have a 3D printer yet, but am I understanding your Patreon site correctly in that even with a lower level donation each month, the all monthly models are then free during that month? So by sponsoring before 30 December, Napoleork and Goblion would be free (this month)? Really? I'm sure I'm not getting something right here ... seems a bit "too good"?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/12/20 18:44:39
Subject: Re:Francesco Pizzo Patreon start today
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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do you have any other ways of paying mate, i wont support patreon.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/12/20 18:45:11
Subject: Re:Francesco Pizzo Patreon start today
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Did Fulgrim Just Behead Ferrus?
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Formosa wrote:do you have any other ways of paying mate, i wont support patreon.
Why not? What's wrong with Patreon?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/12/20 18:50:22
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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Just google it, there is a big hoo har around patreon right now, same with paypal, this isnt really the place to talk about it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/12/20 18:55:22
Subject: Francesco Pizzo Patreon start today
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The New Miss Macross!
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Patreon is embroiled in a controversy of their own making in the last week or so. For the past year, they've been selectively banning conservative users for things that they allow others whose political views they agree with to do without issue and using their terms of service to justify the selective enforcement. In the past week, they banned a popular person for something that happened almost a year ago that wasn't even against their own rules when others who remain have done worse (but whose political views line up with their own). They've gone from selectively enforcing their rules to making up rules after the fact to justify previous bannings.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/12/20 19:06:29
Subject: Francesco Pizzo Patreon start today
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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warboss wrote:Patreon is embroiled in a controversy of their own making in the last week or so. For the past year, they've been selectively banning conservative users for things that they allow others whose political views they agree with to do without issue and using their terms of service to justify the selective enforcement. In the past week, they banned a popular person for something that happened almost a year ago that wasn't even against their own rules when others who remain have done worse (but whose political views line up with their own). They've gone from selectively enforcing their rules to making up rules after the fact to justify previous bannings.
Lol I didnt want to mention it in detail but yes.
I suppose I should add then that a lot of people are leaving patreon due to this, even people who do not care about politics, it has adversely affected a lot of peoples incomes as people are standing by their princibles and not supporting patreon as a platform.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/12/20 19:49:04
Subject: Francesco Pizzo Patreon start today
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The New Miss Macross!
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Yeah, I don't want to elaborate further as political talk is off limits here (thankfully) but it should at least be mentioned in passing since Patreon is the primary funding method the OP is apparently using.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/12/20 20:09:14
Subject: Francesco Pizzo Patreon start today
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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We can move this to PM or off topic, this isnt the place, feel free to PM either of us.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/12/20 20:10:03
Subject: Re:Francesco Pizzo Patreon start today
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[MOD]
Decrepit Dakkanaut
Cozy cockpit of an Archer ARC-5S
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Quite so, please take the rest of that discussion to a topic of its own or PM, do NOT derail a news and rumour thread.
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Fatum Iustum Stultorum
Fiat justitia ruat caelum
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/12/20 20:51:32
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Shrieking Traitor Sentinel Pilot
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I really need to get a 3D printer for stuff like this. I've seen several artists who do stuff like this, and it's fun to think that you could print out new miniatures every month, just by subscribing.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/12/20 20:54:49
Subject: Francesco Pizzo Patreon start today
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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skullking wrote:I really need to get a 3D printer for stuff like this. I've seen several artists who do stuff like this, and it's fun to think that you could print out new miniatures every month, just by subscribing.
Same here, I’ve been meaning to get one for ages and this, battletech and epic are really pushing me to get it
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/12/21 00:42:38
Subject: Francesco Pizzo Patreon start today
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Dankhold Troggoth
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Wow, those look great!!
As for 3D printers, for this level of detail it's more economical to use a professional printing service unless you're printing a Lot of stuff.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/12/21 02:46:15
Subject: Francesco Pizzo Patreon start today
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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RiTides wrote:Wow, those look great!!
As for 3D printers, for this level of detail it's more economical to use a professional printing service unless you're printing a Lot of stuff.
everyone i have looked at over here is very expensive
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/12/21 11:08:34
Subject: Francesco Pizzo Patreon start today
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Stone Bonkers Fabricator General
We'll find out soon enough eh.
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You basically have two options, as a hobbyist.
The Ender 3(I'd get the Pro version with a better power supply) - an FDM machine, the "lays down layers of melty plastic" kind. Pretty easy assembly(just bolting some aluminium extrusions together, tightening a few nuts, and plugging in some cables), and you can pretty much turn it on and be away printing with a quality level sufficient for terrain(since that will be getting post-processing work done to it anyway). With some time & effort, it's possible to tune the machine sufficiently to get pretty nice "28mm" models out of it, I'd say equivalent to the better end of the "boardgame plastic" spectrum after it's been painted. They cost somewhere in the £170-230 range depending on what model you get and where you buy from. The plastic is fairly cheap running £15-30 per 1kg roll(whether the pricier stuff is worthwhile for models, which tend to care a lot less about fancy colours and surface effects is debatable).
The Anycubic Photon, which is a "DLP" machine that cures resin a whole layer at a time using projected UV light. These are a complete piece of piss to assemble and calibrate, though their quality control can be a smidge hit-or-miss(like FW, their CS when they cock up is pretty good and they will happily ship you out whole chunks of the machine as replacement parts, so the most you'll lose is time waiting for those to arrive). Pretty much out of the box this machine will produce models the equal of GW-level injection-molded plastic miniatures, and with the right resin and settings it will hit hand-cast resin quality. It needs a few extra bits & bobs - a UV lamp for post-curing the parts(a nail lamp for less than a tenner off Amazon is sufficient), alcohol for cleaning off the parts(isopropanol works great, but I've been told methanol will do just as well and is half the price), and if you're going to "live with" the machine as opposed to shoving it in a garage then a better active-carbon filter or a mod to exhaust it outside are advisable. Contrary to the popular mythology, you will not drop dead if you come within twenty yards of an uncorked resin bottle without full HAZMAT gear, just treat it the same way you would any other household chemical(wear gloves, don't drink it, don't huff it, don't pour it down the sink) and it's perfectly safe. A Photon will run you somewhere in the £300-400 range including the aforementioned extra gubbinz, and depending on where you buy it from(Anycubic supply them with 500ml of resin to get you going). The resin is a lot more expensive up-front than PLA plastic spools, running around £40-50 per litre unless you catch it in a sale, but the actual price-per-model is not obscene given how little a solid "28mm" model takes, and that bigger models can be "hollowed" and just printed as a thick shell.
Given people will often spend more than the price of both of those combined on a single army or one big FW model, and how many high quality 3D files are now floating about out there, I'd say they're a worthwhile investment. They're not "plug & play" quite yet, you will have to watch some tutorials and do a bit of troubleshooting here & there(initially this will invariably be because you cocked something up but don't know what - trust me  ), but it boggles my mind that 99.999% of threads asking for painting advice will produce a procession of "buy an airbrush!" evangelists, while 3D printing is still seen as some big scary monster.
The OP's work is brilliant and they're not alone, I'd think long & hard before using a "service" printer like Shapeways over buying your own, considering you could easily exceed the cost of a Photon with only a couple of miniatures orders from them.
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I need to acquire plastic Skavenslaves, can you help?
I have a blog now, evidently. Featuring the Alternative Mordheim Model Megalist.
"Your society's broken, so who should we blame? Should we blame the rich, powerful people who caused it? No, lets blame the people with no power and no money and those immigrants who don't even have the vote. Yea, it must be their fething fault." - Iain M Banks
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"The language of modern British politics is meant to sound benign. But words do not mean what they seem to mean. 'Reform' actually means 'cut' or 'end'. 'Flexibility' really means 'exploit'. 'Prudence' really means 'don't invest'. And 'efficient'? That means whatever you want it to mean, usually 'cut'. All really mean 'keep wages low for the masses, taxes low for the rich, profits high for the corporations, and accept the decline in public services and amenities this will cause'." - Robin McAlpine from Common Weal |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/12/21 14:53:51
Subject: Francesco Pizzo Patreon start today
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The New Miss Macross!
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Yodhrin wrote:The Anycubic Photon, which is a "DLP" machine that cures resin a whole layer at a time using projected UV light. These are a complete piece of piss to assemble and calibrate, though their quality control can be a smidge hit-or-miss(like FW, their CS when they cock up is pretty good and they will happily ship you out whole chunks of the machine as replacement parts, so the most you'll lose is time waiting for those to arrive).
I'm not familiar with the vernacular (seriously). Does "complete piece of piss" mean easy or hard to assemble and calibrate?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/12/21 15:56:52
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Stone Bonkers Fabricator General
We'll find out soon enough eh.
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warboss wrote: Yodhrin wrote:The Anycubic Photon, which is a "DLP" machine that cures resin a whole layer at a time using projected UV light. These are a complete piece of piss to assemble and calibrate, though their quality control can be a smidge hit-or-miss(like FW, their CS when they cock up is pretty good and they will happily ship you out whole chunks of the machine as replacement parts, so the most you'll lose is time waiting for those to arrive).
I'm not familiar with the vernacular (seriously). Does "complete piece of piss" mean easy or hard to assemble and calibrate?
Sorry, it means easy. As in, you basically take out the resin tray, slot the build plate piece onto the Z-axis, put a bit of paper down under it and lower the build plate until it's flat and *just* gripping the paper, and tighten a bolt before putting the tray back.
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I need to acquire plastic Skavenslaves, can you help?
I have a blog now, evidently. Featuring the Alternative Mordheim Model Megalist.
"Your society's broken, so who should we blame? Should we blame the rich, powerful people who caused it? No, lets blame the people with no power and no money and those immigrants who don't even have the vote. Yea, it must be their fething fault." - Iain M Banks
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"The language of modern British politics is meant to sound benign. But words do not mean what they seem to mean. 'Reform' actually means 'cut' or 'end'. 'Flexibility' really means 'exploit'. 'Prudence' really means 'don't invest'. And 'efficient'? That means whatever you want it to mean, usually 'cut'. All really mean 'keep wages low for the masses, taxes low for the rich, profits high for the corporations, and accept the decline in public services and amenities this will cause'." - Robin McAlpine from Common Weal |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/12/28 09:15:22
Subject: Re:Francesco Pizzo Patreon start today
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Fresh-Faced New User
Italy
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Another image for the next Month release.
Sorry guys, I missed all your comments.
About my Patreon: you pay one time per month, the month you support me you'll take all the models I release for the current month and all the models on the welcome pack. Month's models are available only during the month are released, after this, you can buy it at regular price (5 to 15 $ on Ghama.com), on Patreon, for the current Tier available (12,50$), you can grab in a single month eight new models.
Next month Boyd's toys will release the physical copy of my models..
About Patreon, I was not aware of their problems. Weird story...
About 3d printer, I was sceptical, but I had the opportunity to old in my hands some print from a low entry printer, Anycubic Photon, and well, is very close to professional printer: slower (a B9c core pint in about 1 hour what the photon print in 7 hours) the result is very surprising for me.
Anycubic Photon doesn't need any PC attached for work, is a stand-alone printer and the price is pretty interesting, you can purchase it for less of 500$. With this printer, a regular 30mm model cost about 0,30 $ (or less) in resin.
Feel free to ask me any question
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/12/28 09:29:45
Subject: Re:Francesco Pizzo Patreon start today
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Fresh-Faced New User
Italy
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Some models printed by my Patrons with cheap UV resin printers... also note in the not primed picture the resin make hard to read details because is translucent, so details appear a bit soft.
UV resin (the one used for these models) is around 25$ https://www.amazon.com/ELEGOO-UV-Curing-Standard-Photopolymer-Printing/dp/B07FCM5V7M , with a bottle like this you can print 50 to 100 28 mm scale models (and even more)
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