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Thinking of bringing back the draigo/paladin star with my guard.

Going to try this list out.
Gk vanguard
Draigo
10 paladins, 1 hammer, rest halberds
Paladin ancient falchion and storm bolter
Apocathary with halberd

Cadian supreme command - emperor fist tank company -cadia
Tank CC - punisher 3x hb
Tank CC - executioner, plasma.cannons
Tank CC - executioner, plasma cannons
Tank CC - battle tank, lascannon
Tank CC - battle tank (hammer of sunderance)
Astropath

Battalion -cadia
Company cc -warlord -aquila, Grand strategist
Commisar
Infantry squad w. Mortar
Infantry squad w. Mortar
Infantry squad w. Mortar

Might be fun, but is it mean?

Fun - indeed.
The AM detachments alone will bring you and the enemy/opponent some fun.

Another version, trying to make a competitive list...

2k/2k pts
Gk vanguard
Draigo
10 paladins -hammer, 9 halberd
Apocathary- halberd
Ancient - halberd

Supreme command - custodes
Shield Capt on bike -Warlord, superior creation
Shield Capt on bike- auric aquila
Shield Capt on bike - 1cp eagle's eye

Cadia Det
2x executioner cmd tank, plasma sponsons
1x cmd battle tank

3x troops - stock

Why the halberds?

 Smotejob wrote:
Another version, trying to make a competitive list...

2k/2k pts
Gk vanguard
Draigo
10 paladins -hammer, 9 halberd
Apocathary- halberd
Ancient - halberd

Supreme command - custodes
Shield Capt on bike -Warlord, superior creation
Shield Capt on bike- auric aquila
Shield Capt on bike - 1cp eagle's eye

Cadia Det
2x executioner cmd tank, plasma sponsons
1x cmd battle tank

3x troops - stock

I liked the larger Guard detachment better. While Shield Captains are great, they can't be everywhere at once. You already have a hammer unit with the Paladins, it feels like this is repetitive.

arthorn wrote:
Why the halberds?

Halberds on paladins go a bit further against higher toughness units than swords or falchion and with 3 attacks and +1 from ancient, I will be dishing 40 attacks out, which is a bit of overkill against hordes.

So halberds allow me to threaten t4, t5, t7, and t8 better.




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 techsoldaten wrote:

 Smotejob wrote:
Another version, trying to make a competitive list...

2k/2k pts
Gk vanguard
Draigo
10 paladins -hammer, 9 halberd
Apocathary- halberd
Ancient - halberd

Supreme command - custodes
Shield Capt on bike -Warlord, superior creation
Shield Capt on bike- auric aquila
Shield Capt on bike - 1cp eagle's eye

Cadia Det
2x executioner cmd tank, plasma sponsons
1x cmd battle tank

3x troops - stock

I liked the larger Guard detachment better. While Shield Captains are great, they can't be everywhere at once. You already have a hammer unit with the Paladins, it feels like this is repetitive.

Been toying with this list. The thought was that the paladins are a hammer, but are slow...so I would use the dawneagles to corral, assassinate, and tie up shoot units. I am also adding to the 2+ save saturation.

I get the additional long range fire power though.

 Smotejob wrote:

arthorn wrote:
Why the halberds?

Halberds on paladins go a bit further against higher toughness units than swords or falchion and with 3 attacks and +1 from ancient, I will be dishing 40 attacks out, which is a bit of overkill against hordes.

So halberds allow me to threaten t4, t5, t7, and t8 better.

Hey Smotejob. Cool list. On the subject of Falchions vs. Halberds for Paladin, here's the math:

Unbuffed — Halberds win against T5 & T8. Falchions win against T3, T6, T7. They're tied against T4. Graph below.


Hammerhand — Halberds win against T8. Falchions win against T3, T4, T6, T7. They're tied against T5. Graph below.


+1 Attack (from Ancient) — Halberds win against T4, T5, and T8. Falchions win against T3, T6, T7. Graph below.


So it's complicated. If you anticipate charging T8 Knights then Halberds are what you want. Against more typical T6 & T7 vehicles/monsters Falchions are still the right call.

T6 and t7 stuff doesn't worry me as much. My meta has a lot of knights, so I am optimizing for those a bit more.

T4 and t8 is what I will be fighting against more often so I like my halberd. Won't see much t5, but I'll take my halberds there too.

T6 I doubt I will see much of beyond dawneagle custodes captains(who should be scared to charge a paladin squad). T7 stuff are usually single models with no more than 12 wounds, and a 9 body paladin unit can typically do 20+ wounds... So briniging more optimization against t7 is wasted.

Genestealers and orks are very likely sights too and tend to come in large blobs. Halberds again pull ahead.

Not worried about t3. Most t3 I will cripple in shooting anyway.