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He sees himself in the throneroom with the Emperor minus his sword that Guilliman took and we already know that the Emperor is a confirmed perpetual so how will the Emperor resurrect or come back once i'm guessing Abaddon kills him after killing or incapacitating Dante ?.

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I always wondered about why he is a husk on the throne if he is a Perpetual?

Maybe Cypher is setting everything up so that the Emperor is killed and comes back.

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 Dysartes wrote:
Dude, please take a deep breath and try again - that run-on sentence doesn't make a huge amount of sense to me.


In the destruction of Baal book Dante has a vision at the end where he is standing in the Emperors throneroom ready for battle and he can see The Emperors sword is missing which was taken by Guiliman so it is likely he will be fighting Abaddon who will reach terra somehow.

GW have confirmed the Emperor as a perpetual so he can come back, dunno if he wold come back as himself or a God.

What do you see as the most likely outcome for this situation.

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 Da-Rock wrote:
I always wondered about why he is a husk on the throne if he is a Perpetual?

Maybe Cypher is setting everything up so that the Emperor is killed and comes back.

It's because he's a husk that's still alive.

Like, if you made him a quad amputee you might as well ask why he doesn't regenerate his limbs. It doesn't work like that.

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Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?

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 Da-Rock wrote:
I always wondered about why he is a husk on the throne if he is a Perpetual?

Maybe Cypher is setting everything up so that the Emperor is killed and comes back.


Perhaps, i mean considering the second he would die a whole Deamon invasion force would come through the palace that would be a whole lot of prep, would take time.

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RogalBob SquareFort wrote:
 Dysartes wrote:
Dude, please take a deep breath and try again - that run-on sentence doesn't make a huge amount of sense to me.


In the destruction of Baal book Dante has a vision at the end where he is standing in the Emperors throneroom ready for battle and he can see The Emperors sword is missing which was taken by Guiliman so it is likely he will be fighting Abaddon who will reach terra somehow.

GW have confirmed the Emperor as a perpetual so he can come back, dunno if he wold come back as himself or a God.

What do you see as the most likely outcome for this situation.


A bunch of poorly written fluff that I'll mostly ignore, used as the premise for the end/start of an edition.

If we're really unlucky GW will release an Emperor Reborn model that everyone will flock to using.

   
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You don't have to make a model for everything in the fluff in order to move the story line along.

Why does everyone complain about Primarchs and big stuff? In the past they complained about the Characters that came out and before that the OP units and before that the lack of big/cool stuff?????

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 Da-Rock wrote:
You don't have to make a model for everything in the fluff in order to move the story line along.

Why does everyone complain about Primarchs and big stuff? In the past they complained about the Characters that came out and before that the OP units and before that the lack of big/cool stuff?????


Because GW does nothing to restrict things like Primarchs in normal games and it's boring to see Bobby G every third match against an IOM player. Combine that with them often being a crutch character in game and in the fluff they suck all the air out of any story they are in and make it hard for anyone else to stand out unless the story is written very carefully.
   
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 Da-Rock wrote:
You don't have to make a model for everything in the fluff in order to move the story line along.

Why does everyone complain about Primarchs and big stuff? In the past they complained about the Characters that came out and before that the OP units and before that the lack of big/cool stuff?????

Primarchs coming back is bad because it manages to devalue both 40k and 30k at the same time. The only explanations I can see for them being back are stupidity and cash grabbing.

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pm713 wrote:
 Da-Rock wrote:
You don't have to make a model for everything in the fluff in order to move the story line along.

Why does everyone complain about Primarchs and big stuff? In the past they complained about the Characters that came out and before that the OP units and before that the lack of big/cool stuff?????

Primarchs coming back is bad because it manages to devalue both 40k and 30k at the same time. The only explanations I can see for them being back are stupidity and cash grabbing.


Please don't try to claim your opinions as facts. In my opinion, Gulliman's return has injected freshness into a setting that was growing stale, and it's hardly devalued the setting. Nothing has drastricly changed, the IoM is STILL fighting a ultimately losing battle against the tides of well.. everything.

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Probably just rolling along the story so we finally get the Rhana Dandra. When ALL the big boys come out to play for numerous factions.

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RogalBob SquareFort wrote:
He sees himself in the throneroom with the Emperor minus his sword that Guilliman took and we already know that the Emperor is a confirmed perpetual so how will the Emperor resurrect or come back once i'm guessing Abaddon kills him after killing or incapacitating Dante ?.



No we dont know the emperor is a confirmed perpetual, we suspect and its quite likely, that is not confirmation.

Other than that, if Abbadon uses Drach'Nyen then the emperor is not coming back, its nearly killed him once and is more than capable of killing him again.
   
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 Formosa wrote:
RogalBob SquareFort wrote:
He sees himself in the throneroom with the Emperor minus his sword that Guilliman took and we already know that the Emperor is a confirmed perpetual so how will the Emperor resurrect or come back once i'm guessing Abaddon kills him after killing or incapacitating Dante ?.



No we dont know the emperor is a confirmed perpetual, we suspect and its quite likely, that is not confirmation.

Other than that, if Abbadon uses Drach'Nyen then the emperor is not coming back, its nearly killed him once and is more than capable of killing him again.


GW confirmed he is.

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RogalBob SquareFort wrote:
 Formosa wrote:
RogalBob SquareFort wrote:
He sees himself in the throneroom with the Emperor minus his sword that Guilliman took and we already know that the Emperor is a confirmed perpetual so how will the Emperor resurrect or come back once i'm guessing Abaddon kills him after killing or incapacitating Dante ?.



No we dont know the emperor is a confirmed perpetual, we suspect and its quite likely, that is not confirmation.

Other than that, if Abbadon uses Drach'Nyen then the emperor is not coming back, its nearly killed him once and is more than capable of killing him again.


GW confirmed he is.


where?


NM found it, from warhammer community so not canon, unless its in a book or codex its not part of the setting.

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Even if he is, the HH shows that there are limits to what they can heal from and there are ways to strip/delay healing. I presume what ever went down with Horus is not something you just give a few minutes and sleep it off. Though given what went down in Wolfsbane, I really feel like BL is writing themselves into a corner.
   
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 Formosa wrote:
RogalBob SquareFort wrote:
He sees himself in the throneroom with the Emperor minus his sword that Guilliman took and we already know that the Emperor is a confirmed perpetual so how will the Emperor resurrect or come back once i'm guessing Abaddon kills him after killing or incapacitating Dante ?.



No we dont know the emperor is a confirmed perpetual, we suspect and its quite likely, that is not confirmation.

Other than that, if Abbadon uses Drach'Nyen then the emperor is not coming back, its nearly killed him once and is more than capable of killing him again.


When did Drach'nyen nearly kill the emperor? In the battle on Horus' barge horry didn't have drachy, he had the talon of Horus, which Abby now has. Abby got drachy a long time after the emperor fought horry.

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RogalBob SquareFort wrote:
 Da-Rock wrote:
I always wondered about why he is a husk on the throne if he is a Perpetual?

Maybe Cypher is setting everything up so that the Emperor is killed and comes back.


Perhaps, i mean considering the second he would die a whole Deamon invasion force would come through the palace that would be a whole lot of prep, would take time.


Why would his death allow daemons in? Surely when he is no longer tied to the material universe and goes full warp being he’d be just as capable of holding back daemons from terra.

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 Techpriestsupport wrote:
 Formosa wrote:
RogalBob SquareFort wrote:
He sees himself in the throneroom with the Emperor minus his sword that Guilliman took and we already know that the Emperor is a confirmed perpetual so how will the Emperor resurrect or come back once i'm guessing Abaddon kills him after killing or incapacitating Dante ?.



No we dont know the emperor is a confirmed perpetual, we suspect and its quite likely, that is not confirmation.

Other than that, if Abbadon uses Drach'Nyen then the emperor is not coming back, its nearly killed him once and is more than capable of killing him again.


When did Drach'nyen nearly kill the emperor? In the battle on Horus' barge horry didn't have drachy, he had the talon of Horus, which Abby now has. Abby got drachy a long time after the emperor fought horry.


Spoiler for anyone that has not read master of mankind

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Drach'nyen is a undivided deamon of massive power, probably the most powerful in the setting, its the echo of the first murder and is older than the gods IIRC, it is the manifestation of the end of empires and at one point was able to take form, that form was of a ... well a cave man/primitive man and fought the emperor in the webway, beating the emperor soundly, the emperor was able to trick/force it into a blade and trap it within one of his custodes who he then told to run off with the blade, that blade would later be found by Abbadon.
   
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Oh, ok. Sheesh I bet the emperor wishes he'd topted for a nerf ball or a pair of fuzzy bunny slippers now...

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phillv85 wrote:
RogalBob SquareFort wrote:
 Da-Rock wrote:
I always wondered about why he is a husk on the throne if he is a Perpetual?

Maybe Cypher is setting everything up so that the Emperor is killed and comes back.


Perhaps, i mean considering the second he would die a whole Deamon invasion force would come through the palace that would be a whole lot of prep, would take time.


Why would his death allow daemons in? Surely when he is no longer tied to the material universe and goes full warp being he’d be just as capable of holding back daemons from terra.


Dunno but what we do know is Emp wanted to be put on GT. Presumably that means him dying is not good thing. If he would just come back no biggie he would not be ordering himself to be put to throne would he?

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BrianDavion wrote:
pm713 wrote:
 Da-Rock wrote:
You don't have to make a model for everything in the fluff in order to move the story line along.

Why does everyone complain about Primarchs and big stuff? In the past they complained about the Characters that came out and before that the OP units and before that the lack of big/cool stuff?????

Primarchs coming back is bad because it manages to devalue both 40k and 30k at the same time. The only explanations I can see for them being back are stupidity and cash grabbing.


Please don't try to claim your opinions as facts. In my opinion, Gulliman's return has injected freshness into a setting that was growing stale, and it's hardly devalued the setting. Nothing has drastricly changed, the IoM is STILL fighting a ultimately losing battle against the tides of well.. everything.

What did I claim as fact there?

In a setting where humanity is in a state of constant decline, it's greatest heroes long passed in history and most people are stuck holding onto their faith having heroes come back, armies that are better than ever just pop out of magic mans spaceship and having a new divide that masterfully does almost nothing is very much bad. It definitely devalues 30k because part of the appeal of that is you're using ancient heroes who aren't around anymore except now they are because illogical space magic.

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 Da-Rock wrote:
I always wondered about why he is a husk on the throne if he is a Perpetual?

Maybe Cypher is setting everything up so that the Emperor is killed and comes back.

Malcador was also a perpetual. The Throne turned him into dust.

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 Wyzilla wrote:
 Da-Rock wrote:
I always wondered about why he is a husk on the throne if he is a Perpetual?

Maybe Cypher is setting everything up so that the Emperor is killed and comes back.

Malcador was also a perpetual. The Throne turned him into dust.

Since when was Malcador perpetual?

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pm713 wrote:
 Wyzilla wrote:
 Da-Rock wrote:
I always wondered about why he is a husk on the throne if he is a Perpetual?

Maybe Cypher is setting everything up so that the Emperor is killed and comes back.

Malcador was also a perpetual. The Throne turned him into dust.

Since when was Malcador perpetual?


He isnt and has never been one, malcador has none of the traits of a perpetual that we know of, he is a psyker but not all perpetuals were psykers, he also ages but clearly very slowly, a perpetual is a being that dies and comes back to life shortly after, so far we havent been shown that malcador and the emperor can do this, all we know is the emperor doesnt age and is a psyker and malcador does age and is a psyker.

Like I said before its quite likely the emperor is a perpetual but we havent been shown that yet so its not certain, where as we can clearly see malcador is not a perpetual based on his ageing.
   
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There are different flavours of perpetuals. They don't all auto ressurect. Grammaticus reincarnates (although he is a xenos made perpetual.. so maybe shouldn't count)

The secret to Malcador's immortality hasn't been revealed AFAIK. He's never been referred to as a Perpetual.

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Captyn_Bob wrote:
There are different flavours of perpetuals. They don't all auto ressurect. Grammaticus reincarnates (although he is a xenos made perpetual.. so maybe shouldn't count)

The secret to Malcador's immortality hasn't been revealed AFAIK. He's never been referred to as a Perpetual.


I agree to a point, the defining trait of the perpetuals is resurrection, without that they are simply immortal humans that can also be psykers
   
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 Formosa wrote:
pm713 wrote:
 Wyzilla wrote:
 Da-Rock wrote:
I always wondered about why he is a husk on the throne if he is a Perpetual?

Maybe Cypher is setting everything up so that the Emperor is killed and comes back.

Malcador was also a perpetual. The Throne turned him into dust.

Since when was Malcador perpetual?


He isnt and has never been one, malcador has none of the traits of a perpetual that we know of, he is a psyker but not all perpetuals were psykers, he also ages but clearly very slowly, a perpetual is a being that dies and comes back to life shortly after, so far we havent been shown that malcador and the emperor can do this, all we know is the emperor doesnt age and is a psyker and malcador does age and is a psyker.

Like I said before its quite likely the emperor is a perpetual but we havent been shown that yet so its not certain, where as we can clearly see malcador is not a perpetual based on his ageing.

Nope, that's a complete charade and has been revealed by the Black Library to have been a ploy. Malcador is a powerful warlord from Terra's past guilty of horrendous warcrimes, a perpetual, and is so psychically potent that he was able to humble Horus before the heresy and nearly choke him to death.

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NM found it, from warhammer community so not canon, unless its in a book or codex its not part of the setting.


Also in every single book that mentions other perpetuals... Vulkan is a perpatual as an example...

So it is canon.

Warhammer community is an arm of gamesworkshop's marketing wing... Everything on there is sanctioned.

The Devastation of Baal is probably one of the best books from 40k in a while. If only we had more stories about the blood angels other than the Rafen Series.

As there are different types of psykers there are different types of perpetuals. Some are like vulkan, some are like grammarticus, or malacador or like Ollius Piers who just have a very long life span.

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