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I'm a little confused by the new Runterd entry.

It is still listed as an elite choice, but it says it doesn't use up any of your slots.

This mechanic seems to let you take your Runterd on top of an other wise full detachment?

Also, as it is still an elite choice, does it still count towards your minimum number of elites in detachments such as brigades?

Thanks dakkabrain.

nareik wrote:
Also, as it is still an elite choice, does it still count towards your minimum number of elites in detachments such as brigades?

If a RUNTHERD does not take up slots in a Detachment, how can he be used to fill the minimum number of slots in a Detachment? Also note the requirements to take a RUNTHERD:

If your army is Battle-forged, you must include at least one unit comprised entirely of GRETCHIN INFANTRY in a Detachment for each RUNTHERD unit in that Detachment.

Yes on top of a full detatchment it doesnt use a slot

No it cannont fill a mandatory detatchment slot as it doesnt use a slot

The entire "point" of the rule is to prevent you from using a Runtherd to fill out brigades (at least that's my take on it). The rule is not optional, and thus you cannot fill mandatory elite slots in detachments that have them, regardless of intent.

It does still count as having the Elite battlefield role though, which is relevant for Deathwatch, and possibly certain missions.

 BaconCatBug wrote:
The entire "point" of the rule is to prevent you from using a Runtherd to fill out brigades (at least that's my take on it). The rule is not optional, and thus you cannot fill mandatory elite slots in detachments that have them, regardless of intent.

It doesn't make any sense though. Meks are significantly cheaper than runtherds and kommandos are basically the same cost but way more useful.

The 'Runtherd' rule is there to keep you from taking him when there's no runts for him to herd and still count as an Elites choice for rules like the aforementioned Deathwatch rule.

 Ghaz wrote:
The 'Runtherd' rule is there to keep you from taking him when there's no runts for him to herd and still count as an Elites choice for rules like the aforementioned Deathwatch rule.

This is far more plausible than the other ‘splainy above.

 BaconCatBug wrote:
The entire "point" of the rule is to prevent you from using a Runtherd to fill out brigades (at least that's my take on it). The rule is not optional, and thus you cannot fill mandatory elite slots in detachments that have them, regardless of intent.

i think it is the other way around; that if you've filled out all your elite slots you can still take the gretchin's unit leader equivalent (the Runterd).

nareik wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:
The entire "point" of the rule is to prevent you from using a Runtherd to fill out brigades (at least that's my take on it). The rule is not optional, and thus you cannot fill mandatory elite slots in detachments that have them, regardless of intent.

i think it is the other way around; that if you've filled out all your elite slots you can still take the gretchin's unit leader equivalent (the Runterd).

Who the heck manages to fill out ANY slots?

 JNAProductions wrote:

nareik wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:
The entire "point" of the rule is to prevent you from using a Runtherd to fill out brigades (at least that's my take on it). The rule is not optional, and thus you cannot fill mandatory elite slots in detachments that have them, regardless of intent.

i think it is the other way around; that if you've filled out all your elite slots you can still take the gretchin's unit leader equivalent (the Runterd).

Who the heck manages to fill out ANY slots?

Someone running a Patrol, Spearhead or Outrider detachment, with some other limits on ammount of detachments for whatever reason?