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Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Scatter + 2" coherency (on top of usually low firing rates) kept Small Blasts terrible. Forgetting even Invisibility for a moment, they weren't a good weapon profile to have at all. I'd even wager you were better off with a two shot weapon.

I found them great for certain units, plasma cannons i used all the time in my space marine lists in 5th and 6th. Though mileage may vary.

You played in an area where you even admitted people didn't care about unit coherence. That puts bias on your end, whereas you would find them terrible if your opponent cared even a little.

Small blasts (and large ones for that matter ) could do a lot of damage if you played with the right terrain. You couldn't always keep your guys perfectly spread out when you needed them to get some were quickly or pass through a narrow path way or between / through buildings.

I swear people here are playing planet bowling some times. You put a good amount of physical line of sight blocking terrain and you get a much better game.

I think terrain in general should be line blocking, if a unit is hiding a forest, it should be 'hidden' in the forest or the unit engaging that unit has to roll to see them. (like the old dawn / night fighting rules)

There are so many things that could be done to make terrain and positioning matter currently terrain does very little as does unit positioning. If i rear charge a unit I should get particular bonuses, now some units would be rewarded more like bikes and jump pack infantry. But they should be already as they are paying a premium for that unit. So it would make sense they would do great in combat or are excellent in charging from behind.

"FWIW, Eldar had easy ways to increase their hit rate (not to mention how silly Aspect Shrine was for the time for not a single downside)."

Yeah, like Guide. Or Guide. Or even Guide. Or, if you were really cheeky, Guide cast by Eldrad!

The 7e Codex spiced it up by adding Aspect Shrines, so now there were 2 ways to increase Fire Dragon hit rates!

Claims like that are completely ungrounded in reality, and make it hard to have a meaningful conversation.

Eldar certainly didn't struggle to remove hard targets, especially on the competitive scene - but it wasn't because Fire Dragons had a half dozen +hit buffs or anything like that.


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I've had fun with more LOS-blocking terrain and more Impassible terrain (and being one doesn't necessitate the other). It adds a lot to the game.

That and playing smaller sizes (1250 or 1500) add a lot back to the game that felt lost in the jump to 8E.

But Facing and AVs are still palpably absent.

Bharring wrote:
"FWIW, Eldar had easy ways to increase their hit rate (not to mention how silly Aspect Shrine was for the time for not a single downside)."

Yeah, like Guide. Or Guide. Or even Guide. Or, if you were really cheeky, Guide cast by Eldrad!

The 7e Codex spiced it up by adding Aspect Shrines, so now there were 2 ways to increase Fire Dragon hit rates!

Claims like that are completely ungrounded in reality, and make it hard to have a meaningful conversation.

Eldar certainly didn't struggle to remove hard targets, especially on the competitive scene - but it wasn't because Fire Dragons had a half dozen +hit buffs or anything like that.


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I've had fun with more LOS-blocking terrain and more Impassible terrain (and being one doesn't necessitate the other). It adds a lot to the game.

That and playing smaller sizes (1250 or 1500) add a lot back to the game that felt lost in the jump to 8E.

But Facing and AVs are still palpably absent.

Oh please, Eldar didn't have a hard time casting Guide, and you can't deny that. Buffed hitting was absolutely easy to achieve.

Aspect Shrine making them stupid is definitely grounded in reality and you should know this.

I'm not disputing that Guide was easy. I'm disputing that there were a lot of ways.

I haven’t seen a detailed list of the eldar soup list?

Pain4Pleasure wrote:
I haven’t seen a detailed list of the eldar soup list?

The Eldar list was:

Drukhari (Kabal of the Black Heart) Battalion
Archon (Huskblade, Warlord Trait: Labrynthine Cunning)
Archon (Huskblade, Artefact: Writ of the Living Muse)
5 Kabalites
5 Kabalites
5 Kabalites, 1 blaster
Venom
Venom
Razorwing
Voidraven

Craftworld (Saim-Hann) Outrider
Farseer Skyrunner
Vyper (Missile Launcher)
Vyper (Missile Launcher)
Vyper (Missle Launcher)
Vyper (Shuriken cannon)
8 Dark Reapers
Hemlock

Harlequin (Dreaming Shadow) Outrider
Shadowseer
2 Skyweavers
2 Skyweavers
2 Skyweavers

Thank you, sir!