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The Wastes of Krieg

In the back of the Imperial Armor: Astra Militarum, the renegades point section has a section that says "*There may only be a single unit of this type in any given army." What confuses me is that the units marked have "**" next to them. Should I interpret this as meaning I can include two units of this type in my army, or as GW just trying to emphasize the point about having only one?
   
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Horrific Hive Tyrant





I see the footnote, but none of the units in the list actually seem to have any asterisks next to them, so I'm a bit confused...
   
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Norn Queen






It's a Forge World book, you're lucky it has punctuation. The footnote doesn't apply to any unit.
   
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 BaconCatBug wrote:
It's a Forge World book, you're lucky it has punctuation. The footnote doesn't apply to any unit.


That certainly seems to be the case, though I'm interested in the ** that the OP apparently has seen.
   
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Cardiff

Regardless, ** is a direction to a different footnote than *. I can't se it, but it still wouldn't point to the random, unlinked footnote. Yay FW.

 Stormonu wrote:
For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules"
 
   
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 JohnnyHell wrote:
Regardless, ** is a direction to a different footnote than *. I can't se it, but it still wouldn't point to the random, unlinked footnote. Yay FW.


Yes, it appears to be a mess!
   
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Moustache-twirling Princeps




United Kingdom

My guess is they copied & pasted the page layout from 'Children of the Warp Points Value' in Imperial Armour – Index: Forces of Chaos - on that page the * is applied to the Named Deamons like Samus.
   
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain





Cardiff

Good spot!

 Stormonu wrote:
For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules"
 
   
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The Wastes of Krieg

 Stux wrote:
I see the footnote, but none of the units in the list actually seem to have any asterisks next to them, so I'm a bit confused...


I'm using the e-book so IDK if something got changed
   
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The Wastes of Krieg

Here's a screencap
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Please note I am only posting this photo to illustrate the issue and nothing more.

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Ok, so normal notation would dictate that a ** would refer to a footnote labelled with a **. That is a completely separate footnote to a *.

Whether there is a ** footnote somewhere in the epub, and what FWs intentions were, I really can't say.

I'm pretty certain there is no limit on how many Renegade Militia squads you can take though, detachment limits permitting.
   
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The Wastes of Krieg

 Stux wrote:
Ok, so normal notation would dictate that a ** would refer to a footnote labelled with a **. That is a completely separate footnote to a *.

Whether there is a ** footnote somewhere in the epub, and what FWs intentions were, I really can't say.

I'm pretty certain there is no limit on how many Renegade Militia squads you can take though, detachment limits permitting.


That's what I thought. I always wondered why they would limit the number of really crappy infantry squads you could have. I could see command squads potentially being limited, but even still.

In the end I'm just surprised no one proof-read this crap.
   
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DeathKorp_Rider wrote:
 Stux wrote:
Ok, so normal notation would dictate that a ** would refer to a footnote labelled with a **. That is a completely separate footnote to a *.

Whether there is a ** footnote somewhere in the epub, and what FWs intentions were, I really can't say.

I'm pretty certain there is no limit on how many Renegade Militia squads you can take though, detachment limits permitting.


That's what I thought. I always wondered why they would limit the number of really crappy infantry squads you could have. I could see command squads potentially being limited, but even still.

In the end I'm just surprised no one proof-read this crap.
To play Devils Advocate in defence of FW here, they were given no real heads up regarding how 8th was meant to work and had to write four whole books in a smoke break. At least we aren't dealing with Games "Twelve Years Between Dark Eldar Codexes" Workshop and we have it fixed (at least some of it) by errata.
   
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The Wastes of Krieg

After looking through the rest of the codex point values, they seem to have done the same "* means this" but units were marked with "**". So IDK what their thought process was on this.

However, all of these other instances of the ** were used to indicate squads that could take heavy weapon teams which leads me to believe these markings are meant to indicate that there would be no additional points added for having them.
   
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Is there a new point list for the Renegades in the new Chapter Approved?
   
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Confessor Of Sins





Tacoma, WA, USA

If 5 Units and 10 Wargear updates is a new point list, then yes.
   
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The Wastes of Krieg

I am now doubting that anyone proofread this book and will probably email GW about it. The Renegade Militia unit data sheet refers to the models as renegade militia in the first bullet-point in the wargear options, then proceeds to call them "Renegade Cultists" in the rest of it.
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Only posting to illustrate the issue

   
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Horrific Hive Tyrant





Indeed.

If it's any consolation, it's a terrible unit anyway!
   
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The Wastes of Krieg

 Stux wrote:
Indeed.

If it's any consolation, it's a terrible unit anyway!


True, but it's a cheap mob to pester the other army while I throw the elites at them. And fluff-wise, these guys are zombies in my army so they shouldn't be great at a whole lot anyway.
   
 
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